POLL: Is there a God ??

[Caveman Catfan]

There are a number of dying and resurrecting (after three (3) days) gods that preceded Jesus, according to scholars of world religions, cultures and history. Here is what some think is only a partial list, but the key point is that Jesus was not the only one who died and was resurrected after three (3) days:

OSIRIS
An Egyptian, Ethiopian, Sudanese God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 5,000 YEARS before Jesus.

HORUS
An Egyptian, Ethiopian, Sudanese God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 3,000 YEARS before Jesus.

BUDDHA
An Indian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 600 YEARS before Jesus.

KRISHNA
An Indian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 900 YEARS before Jesus..

ZARATHUSTRA
An Iranian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 1,000 YEARS before Jesus.

HERCULES
A Greek God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 800 YEARS before Jesus.

MITHRA
An Iranian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 600 YEARS before Jesus.

DIONYSUS
A Greek God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 500 YEARS before Jesus..

THAMMUZ
A Babylonian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 2,000 YEARS before Jesus.

HERMES
A Greek God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 200 YEARS before Jesus.

ADONIS
A Phoenician God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 200 YEARS before Jesus.

JESUS CHRIST
A Roman God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 1-30 AD.

List Of Gods That Died And Resurrected After 3 Days - Education - Nigeria

So much atheist fiction here. For example, the Mithra claim is just false. Zoroaster was not written about until after Christ, although claimed to have been before. So, it far more likely that the writings about Zoroaster were influenced by the life or Jesus. Buddha was not written about until the 2nd century. What his oral history states is unknown. There is no evidence Buddha died on a cross. Buddha was not resurrected, but ascended to nirvana. Krishna is not claimed to have risen from the dead. He is said to have lived a long life and his spirit ascended into Heaven. No physical resurrection or crucifixion.

Look, if you don’t believe in God, you don’t have to bite on this silly Internet claims. Don’t fall for it just because you find Jesus as God as unbelievable. More intellectual honest might be needed here.

 

[megablue]

So much atheist fiction here. For example, the Mithra claim is just false. Zoroaster was not written about until after Christ, although claimed to have been before. So, it far more likely that the writings about Zoroaster were influenced by the life or Jesus. Buddha was not written about until the 2nd century. What his oral history states is unknown. There is no evidence Buddha died on a cross. Buddha was not resurrected, but ascended to nirvana. Krishna is not claimed to have risen from the dead. He is said to have lived a long life and his spirit ascended into Heaven. No physical resurrection or crucifixion.

Look, if you don’t believe in God, you don’t have to bite on this silly Internet claims. Don’t fall for it just because you find Jesus as God as unbelievable. More intellectual honest might be needed here.

The only point is that it is interesting to note that of all the gods throughout known history, there have been a number that died and resurrected …. not to mention some with virgin birth. You may not find it curious, interesting and fascinating to know the story is not unique, but I certainly do.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

The only point is that it is interesting to note that of all the gods throughout known history, there have been a number that died and resurrected …. not to mention some with virgin birth. You may not find it curious, interesting and fascinating to know the story is not unique, but I certainly do.

You should research it more than you apparently have.

 

[megablue]

You should research it more than you apparently have.

Is it your opinion that Jesus Christ is the only god who died and resurrected ?? Is that what you are suggesting ??

 

[christophero]

If you want to believe in God that is great and your right. But it is hardly on non believers to prove there is no God. You know, science and all that.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Is it your opinion that Jesus Christ is the only god who died and resurrected ?? Is that what you are suggesting ??

I think my comment was clear.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

If you want to believe in God that is great and you’re right. But it is hardly on non believers to prove there is no God. You know, science and all that.

You don’t have to prove anything. Especially if you can’t. But, science does not disprove God. Science helps us to understand His creation.

 

[megablue]

I think my comment was clear.

It was unclear to me and that was the basis for my question to you, but that’s okay. It’s not a big deal, anyway, for me.
It is often difficult to fully-communicate without the interchange that occurs in verbal conversation. Perhaps, I misunderstood.

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[wildcatsboston1984]

I don't need to prove anything...you're the one with the insecurities about this.

I'm not insecure about anything regarding religion.

 

[Catemus]

Probably the biggest question human beings have ever asked … has it been answered ??

What is a God?

 

[megablue]

What is a God?

God - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[LOL_Man]

A few years back I was on a plane that could not land. The flight attendant was throwing up because she had never experienced such turbulence. The pilot tried to land the plane three times and could not because of crosswinds. The kid sitting next to me was a fitness instructor. He was white knuckling his chair and seemed really scared. The last time the pilot tried to land, we got so close to the runway, I was confident he had no choice but to land. Instead, the pilot pulled up at a crazy angle. I remember being at peace and being okay with whatever happened.

You keep confessing in Freudian bursts. You're telling us you were not afraid to die thanks to your religious beliefs, so what does that tell us about how you'd have felt in the same scenario without your crutch? Would you have cowered like a child or screamed like a woman because from your story I take it you had no confidence in yourself as a man but instead was calmed by your belief in a fairytale?

Religion is a crutch. That is the truth of it. Some people need that and good for them, but I believe stronger men don't need fairytales to get through the day. They live their lives based on facts, logic, and reason and use those tools to make their way in the world. Other lesser men need help. An extra set of footprints in the sand where their fairytale might carry them when they falter out of weakness as the story goes.

Religion is an admission of weakness no different than a child clinging to his mother's skirt fearful of the world around him he does not understand. That's the nature of clinging whether it be guns or bibles. You judge yourself as weak and so you look for help and there is no better answer for it than to give lip service to a fairytale that only requires you to admit your sins once a week in exchange for being spared an eternal damnation if you don't. Best hedge your bets, amiright?

I've been in some of the most dangerous places and circumstances a human can be put in but I remained completely calm. Not because of a fairytale on a cloud, but because I was prepared as best as I could be and completely engaged with the rational world around me.

 

[MidseasonTweak]

You don’t have to prove anything. Especially if you can’t. But, science does not disprove God. Science helps us to understand His creation.

Science helps humans understand things religion tried to explain when primitive people were around.

Believing in God only relies on faith as there is no proof of of His existence. It's much easier to explain things using science and logic than to suggest that a god did this or that.

I'm sure you don't believe in Santa, the tooth fairy, etc, so why put so much faith into a god who is only known through man-made literature thousands of years ago?

 

[mcnicKY91]

Science helps humans understand things religion tried to explain when primitive people were around.

Believing in God only relies on faith as there is no proof of of His existence. It's much easier to explain things using science and logic than to suggest that a god did this or that.

I'm sure you don't believe in Santa, the tooth fairy, etc, so why put so much faith into a god who is only known through man-made literature thousands of years ago?

No proof of his existence?? Look around you, you think all this happened to perfection out of nothing? Name one thing that science has proven where something, anything, can come from nothing. That is a logical impossibility.

Re-read the creation story in Genesis. Everything that we see from the solar system to humanity's creation is explained. Find me another text, anywhere, that explains in detail, what happened during creation.

Look at the perfect placement of Earth. Any closer to the sun, we burn up. Any further away from the sun, too cold to sustain life. Look at the perfect construction of the human body, look at our brains. Look at millions of eco systems and how they sustain life for the millions of created animals.

Look at human reproduction. How on earth would two separate sexes be created to compliment each other perfectly. Why are there only two sexes? Why not more? If this was all random, how did everything know to stop at two sexes? Why not evolve into more?

The list of fine tuning goes on and on, and the Bible is the only text that explains this in detail.

Take the Bible out of it...read all the non biblical accounts of Jesus Christ and what he did on the cross. Go read about all the archeological findings from the past 100 yrs (plus those still being found), that are mentioned in the Bible. The Bible's accuracy is beyond stunning.

 

[MidseasonTweak]

No proof of his existence?? Look around you, you think all this happened to perfection out of nothing? Name one thing that science has proven where something, anything, can come from nothing. That is a logical impossibility.

Re-read the creation story in Genesis. Everything that we see from the solar system to humanity's creation is explained. Find me another text, anywhere, that explains in detail, what happened during creation.

Look at the perfect placement of Earth. Any closer to the sun, we burn up. Any further away from the sun, too cold to sustain life. Look at the perfect construction of the human body, look at our brains. Look at millions of eco systems and how they sustain life for the millions of created animals.

Look at human reproduction. How on earth would two separate sexes be created to compliment each other perfectly. Why are there only two sexes? Why not more? If this was all random, how did everything know to stop at two sexes? Why not evolve into more?

The list of fine tuning goes on and on, and the Bible is the only text that explains this in detail.

Take the Bible out of it...read all the non biblical accounts of Jesus Christ and what he did on the cross. Go read about all the archeological findings from the past 100 yrs (plus those still being found), that are mentioned in the Bible. The Bible's accuracy is beyond stunning.

The story of Genesis is where I would start when questioning the existence of a god. Some of the most ridiculous and non-science based understanding of how things work come from there.

There are millions of planets that exist in a zone where life is possible, by the way. Earth isn't special in that regard.

There isn't anything extraordinary about two sexes. You need a male and a female to reproduce, so what? Genesis' idea of how humans came to be makes zero sense.

 

[ukalum1988]

Happy Easter!! Jesus Christ has risen and has conquered death and sin. Alleluia!!!

 

[MidseasonTweak]

Happy Easter!! Jesus Christ has risen and has conquered death and sin. Alleluia!!!

Unfortunately sin still exists. Nothing was conquered. Of course God could just remove sin as that would be easier than having himself murdered in an attmept to conquer it, but that would make too much sense.

I enjoyed sleeping in today.

 

[ukalum1988]

Unfortunately sin still exists. Nothing was conquered. Of course God could just remove sin as that would be easier than having himself murdered in an attmept to conquer it, but that would make too much sense.

I enjoyed sleeping in today.

I went to Easter Vigil Mass last night, and “slept in” till 6:30. Glad you got a good nights sleep.

Of course sin still exists. God gave man free will to accept or reject Him. You’ve apparently made your choice and I’ve made mine. I’m satisfied with my choice and I assume you are satisfied with yours.

 

[cole854]

I went to Easter Vigil Mass last night, and “slept in” till 6:30. Glad you got a good nights sleep.

Of course sin still exists. God gave man free will to accept or reject Him. You’ve apparently made your choice and I’ve made mine. I’m satisfied with my choice and I assume you are satisfied with yours.

Spot on. Those who haven't found Christ are awfully quick to defend their lonely stance.

 

[WildcatfaninOhio]

I’ve thought about the whole “Jesus died for your sins” thing. And I’m always left with questions.

How does his supposed death, 2000 years ago, erase my sins of today? Not sure how one affects the other. And (let’s all pretend that this true) why would I owe him anything? I didn’t ask him to die for me. He did it long ago without my knowledge. It would be like me coming over to your house, without your knowledge or permission, and mowing your lawn while you’re out of town. Then expecting you to thank me for an hour every Sunday of your life. And pay me 10% of your gross income.

 

[MidseasonTweak]

I went to Easter Vigil Mass last night, and “slept in” till 6:30. Glad you got a good nights sleep.

Of course sin still exists. God gave man free will to accept or reject Him. You’ve apparently made your choice and I’ve made mine. I’m satisfied with my choice and I assume you are satisfied with yours.

Except free will doesn't exist as I've already explained earlier.

 

[MidseasonTweak]

Spot on. Those who haven't found Christ are awfully quick to defend their lonely stance.

Lonely? I don't feel lonely. Are Christians not quick to defend their stance?

 

[SDC888]

Except free will doesn't exist as I've already explained earlier.

Free will certainly exists.

It's a very poorly reasoned argument against it: that wasn't explained by you, but read somewhere else, made "sense" to you, then regurgitated here.

 

[MidseasonTweak]

Free will certainly exists.

It's a very poorly reasoned argument against it: that wasn't explained by you, but read somewhere else, made "sense" to you, then regurgitated here.

If God knows what we will end up doing, then no, free will doesn't exist. It's really that simple.

And aren't you regurgitating primitive writings from a book written thousands of years ago that makes sense to you?

I don't understand how a man could live inside a whale and or giant fish for three days could make sense to anyone, for example. Probably because it didn't happen.

 

[SDC888]

If God knows what we will end up doing, then no, free will doesn't exist. It's really that simple.

And aren't you regurgitating primitive writings from a book written thousands of years ago that makes sense to you?

I don't understand how a man could live inside a whale and or giant fish for three days could make sense to anyone, for example. Probably because it didn't happen.

No, I'm not, and no, it's not that simple.

All of "your" arguments are shallow and simplistic. Foreknowledge doesn't preclude freewill because the latter is temporal, while the former is atemporal.

 

[roguemocha]

I’ve never understood why people that don’t believe want so desperately to poo poo the whole idea. Why do you care? Religious proselytize because they were told to, you weren’t told to do anything yet insist on posting and talking about it all the time. Why do non-believers so vehemently want others to not believe?

 

[MidseasonTweak]

I’ve never understood why people that don’t believe want so desperately to poo poo the whole idea. Why do you care? Religious proselytize because they were told to, you weren’t told to do anything yet insist on posting and talking about it all the time. Why do non-believers so vehemently want others to not believe?

Because a lot of religious extremism is seeping into politics that affect everyone.

 

[Ron Mehico]

I’ve never understood why people that don’t believe want so desperately to poo poo the whole idea. Why do you care? Religious proselytize because they were told to, you weren’t told to do anything yet insist on posting and talking about it all the time. Why do non-believers so vehemently want others to not believe?

Because people are batshit crazy. That’s all people do, just argue nonsense in their tribes. I like uk bball, you like Duke? What a loser! I’m a country boy, you’re a city boy? You suck! I’m super fit, you’re overweight? You suck! That’s all people do, just argue nonsense.

 

[ukalum1988]

I’ve thought about the whole “Jesus died for your sins” thing. And I’m always left with questions.

How does his supposed death, 2000 years ago, erase my sins of today? Not sure how one affects the other. And (let’s all pretend that this true) why would I owe him anything? I didn’t ask him to die for me. He did it long ago without my knowledge. It would be like me coming over to your house, without your knowledge or permission, and mowing your lawn while you’re out of town. Then expecting you to thank me for an hour every Sunday of your life. And pay me 10% of your gross income.

Jesus died once for all mankind for all time. In Christian theology, the Triune God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) lives in an ever-present NOW, that the human mind, knowing only the passage of time and constant change, finds impossible to fully grasp.

I didn’t ask Jesus to die for me either, but he did so anyway. Through faith, we are promised eternal life with Him. Yes, we are obliged to follow his commands, but I would rather be a slave for Christ than a slave to sin.

 

[megablue]

A thought that I've always had and wondered about, that is FUN and interesting to think about is:

Assume Jesus never came 2000 years ago, but was born in the year 2000.
How would he accomplish his mission here on earth ??

With all the modernity in the world, it is an interesting thought experiment to wonder how he would make himself and his message known to everyone on the planet.

Where would he have been born ??
What would his birth certificate look like ??
Who would his parents be and how old would they be ??
What would his DNA say about his humanity ??
What would his race be ??
What would his childhood have been like ??
Would he have played sports and been any good ??
What music would he like ??
Would he have any favorite sports teams ??
Would he smoke weed and drink whiskey ??
Would he have tattoos ??
Would he be unbeatable in chess ??
Would he date anybody and/or get married ??
What would his day job be ??
Would he already have been on 60 Minutes ??
Would he have twitter and facebook accounts ??
What would his message be ??
What comments would he make about all the issues that mankind and the world are struggling with ??
What would his answers be to all the deep questions ??
Would he work miracles that could be scientifically-tested and documented for the entire world to see ??
Would he be so obviously convincing that the entire world would abandon their beliefs and follow him ??
Would he remove all doubt about God and answer the questions regarding an afterlife ??
Would he explicitly, flat-out, state that he is God, as he would surely be asked ??
Would he die for the sins of mankind, or simply just forgive them ?? If so, how would he die ??
Would he rise from the grave, as the ultimate mind-blowing, well-documented miracle ??
Would he ascend into heaven ... and tell us where heaven actually is ??

I'm sure you can think of many other things that would be interesting and different about Jesus (or whatever his name might be), if he came to be earth in the year 2000. The questions and possibilities are endless ...

 

[MidseasonTweak]

Jesus died once for all mankind for all time. In Christian theology, the Triune God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) lives in an ever-present NOW, that the human mind, knowing only the passage of time and constant change, finds impossible to fully grasp.

I didn’t ask Jesus to die for me either, but he did so anyway. Through faith, we are promised eternal life with Him. Yes, we are obliged to follow his commands, but I would rather be a slave for Christ than a slave to sin.

What makes your religion anymore true than one of the hundreds of others out there?

 

[MidseasonTweak]

A thought that I've always had and wondered about, that would be FUN and interesting to think about is:

Assume Jesus never came 2000 years ago, but was born in the year 2000.
How would he accomplish his mission here on earth ??

With all the modernity in the world, it is an interesting thought experiment to wonder how he would make himself and his message known.
Where would he have been born ??
What would his birth certificate look like ??
Who would his parents be and how old would they be ??
What would his race be ??
What would his childhood have been like ??
Would he have played sports and been any good ??
What music would he like ??
Would he already have been on 60 minutes ??
Would he have a twitter account ??
What would his message be ??
What comments would he make about all the issues that mankind and the world are struggling with ??
What his answers be to all the deep questions ??
Would he work miracles that could be scientifically-tested and documented for the entire world to see ??
Would he be so obviously convincing that the entire world would abandon their beliefs and follow him ??
Would he remove all doubt about God and answer the questions regarding an afterlife ??

I'm sure you can think of many other things that would be interesting and different about Jesus (or whatever his name might be), if he came to be earth in the year 2000. The questions and possibilities are endless ...

Certainly all current day Christians would reject the modern Jesus and mock him. No one would take seriously a man claiming to work miracles if they claimed to do so today.

 

[megablue]

Certainly all current day Christians would reject the modern Jesus and mock him. No one would take seriously a man claiming to work miracles if they claimed to do so today.

That is an interesting thesis and I certainly understand it, but what if miracles were NO DOUBTERS, documented by modern-day scientific testing and viewed by the entire world ?? If the proof were rock solid, there would be no room for doubt ... but would people still doubt ... much like the flat-earthers of today ??

 

[MidseasonTweak]

That is an interesting thesis and I certainly understand it, but what if miracles were NO DOUBTERS, documented by modern-day scientific testing and viewed by the entire world ?? If the proof were rock solid, there would be no room for doubt ... but would people still doubt ... much like the flat-earthers of today ??

Interesting thought. Perhaps. I think the idea of these things happening thousands of years ago is comforting to people in the sense that they don't have to make that choice if they witnessed them for themselves today.

 

[megablue]

Interesting thought. Perhaps. I think the idea of these things happening thousands of years ago is comforting to people in the sense that they don't have to make that choice if they witnessed them for themselves today.

I understand. Don't ask me to think, just tell me what to think.
I'm surprised a well-done movie hasn't been made on this fictional theme.
It would be thought-provoking and surely a box office hit !!!

 

[roguemocha]

Because a lot of religious extremism is seeping into politics that affect everyone.

But you’re not going to change anyone’s mind, right? So why? And I don’t think there’sa ton of it in politics. People could say the same about all the crazy leftist ideas seeping in, right?

 

[MidseasonTweak]

But you’re not going to change anyone’s mind, right? So why? And I don’t think there’sa ton of it in politics. People could say the same about all the crazy leftist ideas seeping in, right?

Ah yes, the crazy leftist ideas.. book burning, trying to overturn a fair election, wanting to control what women do with their bodies, wanting to treat gun problems with more guns, etc.

Whoops, those are right-wing ideas and beliefs.

 

[Ron Mehico]

Ah yes, the crazy leftist ideas.. book burning, trying to overturn a fair election, wanting to control what women do with their bodies, wanting to treat gun problems with more guns, etc.

Whoops, those are right-wing ideas and beliefs.

If only the world was filled with democrats and atheists it would be a utopia! I wish we had only one political party so all would be right with the world!

If only the world was filled with Christians and republicans it would be a utopia! I wish we had only one political party so all would be right with the world!

 

[WildcatfaninOhio]

I’ve never understood why people that don’t believe want so desperately to poo poo the whole idea. Why do you care? Religious proselytize because they were told to, you weren’t told to do anything yet insist on posting and talking about it all the time. Why do non-believers so vehemently want others to not believe?

Because it’s damaging people and families. I know many first-hand accounts of children being disowned and shunned by parents and extended family because they don’t fit into the mold that evangelical xian families belong to. It’s cult mentality. It causes people to be vile and hurtful when they turn on their own.

It also does damage when you rely on wishes and hopes, instead of kindness and action. People surrender their ability to think, and instead believe in fairy tales.

 

[WildcatfaninOhio]

Certainly all current day Christians would reject the modern Jesus and mock him. No one would take seriously a man claiming to work miracles if they claimed to do so today.

Modern day xians would label jesus a “woke libtard”. 😆