If we let it get this far, why shouldn't we have done back whenever that was exactly what we're talking about now? Doesn't somebody have to take Iran out sooner or later?
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i heard on the radio this morning that he was banned after only 12 minutes in…😂
I scroll thru most of your posts, so I don't know if you've written on this or not: What are your thoughts/proposals for what should happen with Iran? Thanks.
As long as regime change isnt the ultimate goal. We saw that before in the iraq war.
Yes but if we knew they were working on this all along, why wait till this dire time to act? Being proactive would be much better.
If a policeman with a gun is doing DA things, generally I am going to go along with him if I can. I don't want to risk escalating a situation. A lot depends on the exact circumstances of a situation. If it offends me enough, I can complain later at a public city hall meeting or something like that.
I can’t post in the Ukraine thread due to Mr lee who is gone now, nevertheless, WW3 has already begun. It started on Oct 7 2023. Biden brought us here and the Dems and his friends including Mitch McConnell covered for his significant slippage. You can see trump inherited a mess. Just because the usa is showing restraint today doesn’t mean this will hold up. The are two massive regional conflicts and as with ww2 the war began well before the Americans entered. History is what termed the ww1 and 2. Many people today believe ww3 has begun much like globally in 39. If we stop ignoring cyber attacks and bio attacks everyone would realize where we are. When China buys up land around military instalacións and you pair that with what Ukraine and Israel did with drones. That may be the next big attack in America with drones. These wars are escalating and soon like ww2 we will get dragged in, something will happen in the USA then you will realize where we’ve been the entire time. I feel like reading that thread that people are shoving fingers in their ears yelling “la la la la la…”. Unlike ww2 our country is massively divided so you may get a two fer 1.. global war and civil war. Could you imagine if we had to initiate a draft??
He’s important to a group of people but his views aren’t accurate. All of the isolationists are making this worse. The longer we allow these wars to drag out or fail to solve them diplomatically the greater the chance of some outlier that brings in many more countries. The isolationists in the 20s and 30s ignored the underpinnings of what was to come like a lot of people in the USA. I listen to these young people who served in Iraq or even just doves and they don’t understand the war in Iraq and why it needed to be finished after raging for many years. Some were babies when 9/11 happened. Most non existent in the first gulf war. This forever war bull crap. There hasn’t been nor wasn’t much war in Afghanistan the last 10 years. Iraq the same. What wars have we been involved in the last 10 years? We destroyed both countries and rebuilt them. I’m sick of the term forever wars. It makes it sound and other countries bc of Biden’s crazy afghan pull out they hear “we don’t want forever wars” then see our military running from Afghanistan when our 2500 had the country locked down. I have alot more but the isolationist can isolate and say no war but when the time comes you have no choice. Right now we have no choice. Iran is at the center of all the global well most of the global chaos. Shut them down. If their sleeper cells still want to attack us even with a dead country well that’s the way to shut them down.
Well, yea. But I think it would have been politically much tougher since they weren't as assuredly making a bomb as is evident now. Politics is what is causing Trump to hesitate now imo.
It's one thing if he threatens you with a weapon. Then I'll comply. And sue. If not, I'd rather be able to sue later. by not complying. Complaining at city meetings unlikely to accomplish anything imo.
Israel will use troops on fordow if the USA doesn’t help. Infiltration will be their only play left. The problem comes with occupying following war. No need to occupy by anyone.
The thing is, if he is truly a DA, do you know how far he will go? I suppose you could ask him if you are being detained and go from his answer on your response. I worked mostly military security, but pulled law enforcement duties now and then. Again it depends on exact circumstances. You don't know what has happened or what his mindset is. Perhaps something happened a few blocks away and he is nervous or cautious? Nervous DA's with weapons could escalate to a bad situation. It is imo better to try and remedy your complaint later.
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Here's a breakdown:
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Undocumented immigrants paid more taxes last year than Amazon, GM, IBM and Netflix combined.
Yes, the statement is generally true. Undocumented immigrants in the US pay significantly more in taxes than Amazon, GM, IBM, and Netflix combined. While the exact figures vary depending on the year and specific taxes included, studies show undocumented immigrants contribute billions of dollars in taxes annually.
Here's a breakdown:
- Undocumented immigrants:
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In 2023, they paid approximately $89.8 billion in various taxes, including federal, state, and local taxes.
- Amazon, GM, IBM, and Netflix:
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These companies collectively paid around $12.9 billion in income taxes in 2023.
It's important to note that the comparison is not entirely "apples-to-apples" as it involves different types of taxes (income vs. a combination of federal, state, and local). However, the core message, that undocumented immigrants pay a significant amount in taxes, remains valid.
Undocumented Workers Pay Higher Effective Tax Rate than 55 Mega Corporations and Several Billionaires - Americans For Tax Fairness
Today, Americans for Tax Fairness released a new analysis showing that undocumented immigrants pay a higher effective tax rate than 55 large corporations and several of the nation’s wealthiest individuals. The report also found that undocumented immigrants use far fewer federal resources than...
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They gotta have their child sacrifice, right Sam?
My son was born 2.5 pounds less than that.
IF that is true, and I highly doubt it is ... then no other statistic can tell you there are too many illegals in the country. Good job to your side for that.Here's an interesting factoid that solves nothing regarding undocumented immigration, but is surprising and interesting to think about. Although illegal, there is significant economic benefit for the country derived from their labor. The issue of undocumented migrants still needs to be resolved to allow only legal immigrants in the country, OF COURSE !!!
Undocumented immigrants paid more taxes last year than Amazon, GM, IBM and Netflix combined.
Yes, the statement is generally true. Undocumented immigrants in the US pay significantly more in taxes than Amazon, GM, IBM, and Netflix combined. While the exact figures vary depending on the year and specific taxes included, studies show undocumented immigrants contribute billions of dollars in taxes annually.
Here's a breakdown:
The comparison highlights that while these major corporations may utilize tax loopholes to minimize their tax burden, undocumented immigrants, despite lacking legal status, contribute substantially to the US tax revenue.
- Undocumented immigrants:
.Opens in new tab
In 2023, they paid approximately $89.8 billion in various taxes, including federal, state, and local taxes.
- Amazon, GM, IBM, and Netflix:
.Opens in new tab
These companies collectively paid around $12.9 billion in income taxes in 2023.
It's important to note that the comparison is not entirely "apples-to-apples" as it involves different types of taxes (income vs. a combination of federal, state, and local). However, the core message, that undocumented immigrants pay a significant amount in taxes, remains valid.
Undocumented Workers Pay Higher Effective Tax Rate than 55 Mega Corporations and Several Billionaires - Americans For Tax Fairness
Today, Americans for Tax Fairness released a new analysis showing that undocumented immigrants pay a higher effective tax rate than 55 large corporations and several of the nation’s wealthiest individuals. The report also found that undocumented immigrants use far fewer federal resources than...
I love how Trump got a border bill passed and completely shut down the border. Oh wait...checks notes...he did it without a bill.
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Im sure they knew. If they didn't, then it was a complete intelligence failure.
My guess is they were concerned about the optics. As polling now shows, i think they were wrongfully concerned about the optics. Almost everyone is behind disarming Iran.
Taxes corporations pay are irrelevant to determining the value, or not, of illegal immigrants. So just forget that BS diversion.Here's an interesting factoid that solves nothing regarding undocumented immigration, but is surprising and interesting to think about. Although illegal, there is significant economic benefit for the country derived from their labor. The issue of undocumented migrants still needs to be resolved to allow only legal immigrants in the country, OF COURSE !!!
Undocumented immigrants paid more taxes last year than Amazon, GM, IBM and Netflix combined.
Yes, the statement is generally true. Undocumented immigrants in the US pay significantly more in taxes than Amazon, GM, IBM, and Netflix combined. While the exact figures vary depending on the year and specific taxes included, studies show undocumented immigrants contribute billions of dollars in taxes annually.
Here's a breakdown:
The comparison highlights that while these major corporations may utilize tax loopholes to minimize their tax burden, undocumented immigrants, despite lacking legal status, contribute substantially to the US tax revenue.
- Undocumented immigrants:
.Opens in new tab
In 2023, they paid approximately $89.8 billion in various taxes, including federal, state, and local taxes.
- Amazon, GM, IBM, and Netflix:
.Opens in new tab
These companies collectively paid around $12.9 billion in income taxes in 2023.
It's important to note that the comparison is not entirely "apples-to-apples" as it involves different types of taxes (income vs. a combination of federal, state, and local). However, the core message, that undocumented immigrants pay a significant amount in taxes, remains valid.
Undocumented Workers Pay Higher Effective Tax Rate than 55 Mega Corporations and Several Billionaires - Americans For Tax Fairness
Today, Americans for Tax Fairness released a new analysis showing that undocumented immigrants pay a higher effective tax rate than 55 large corporations and several of the nation’s wealthiest individuals. The report also found that undocumented immigrants use far fewer federal resources than...
I've seen various numbers as to what illegals cost us in various programs. They are particularly a burden & states & local governments. Whether the taxes they pay or the costs they create are higher isn't at all well defined.
Sure they knew? Perhaps. But even so they couldn't go out and state it factually & then do nothing. Yes, agree on optics. Similar to what I was trying to convey. Imo polling 2, 5, 10 years ago wouldn't have been near as favorable to disarming as they are today. The benefit vs. risk wouldn't have been seen as good as now.
How would you like to judge a "morals/ethcis" competition. Number of felony convictions? Number of civil judgements? Number of sexual allegations filed in court? Amount of money stolen? Number of wives and mistresses? I know....how about the number of close associates and have had to do time in prison for breaking the law?
What part of "illegal" do you not understand?Here's an interesting factoid that solves nothing regarding undocumented immigration, but is surprising and interesting to think about. Although illegal, there is significant economic benefit for the country derived from their labor. The issue of undocumented migrants still needs to be resolved to allow only legal immigrants in the country, OF COURSE !!!
Undocumented immigrants paid more taxes last year than Amazon, GM, IBM and Netflix combined.
Yes, the statement is generally true. Undocumented immigrants in the US pay significantly more in taxes than Amazon, GM, IBM, and Netflix combined. While the exact figures vary depending on the year and specific taxes included, studies show undocumented immigrants contribute billions of dollars in taxes annually.
Here's a breakdown:
The comparison highlights that while these major corporations may utilize tax loopholes to minimize their tax burden, undocumented immigrants, despite lacking legal status, contribute substantially to the US tax revenue.
- Undocumented immigrants:
.Opens in new tab
In 2023, they paid approximately $89.8 billion in various taxes, including federal, state, and local taxes.
- Amazon, GM, IBM, and Netflix:
.Opens in new tab
These companies collectively paid around $12.9 billion in income taxes in 2023.
It's important to note that the comparison is not entirely "apples-to-apples" as it involves different types of taxes (income vs. a combination of federal, state, and local). However, the core message, that undocumented immigrants pay a significant amount in taxes, remains valid.
Undocumented Workers Pay Higher Effective Tax Rate than 55 Mega Corporations and Several Billionaires - Americans For Tax Fairness
Today, Americans for Tax Fairness released a new analysis showing that undocumented immigrants pay a higher effective tax rate than 55 large corporations and several of the nation’s wealthiest individuals. The report also found that undocumented immigrants use far fewer federal resources than...
If they're so valuable, why aren't these countries trying to get them back... or even keep them in?
Jodi Earnst? Is that you? That was really ballsy of you to tell a crowd of your constituents that they don't need any stinking medicare or health insurance because they're all going to die anyway. If those suckers wanted to live forever they should get right with God so they have can have eternal life.
Republican values in action.
Yes, of course, there are too many illegal migrants in this country … I don’t think anyone argues that. What is argued is that their labor is important, if not critical and vital, to the country. The pathway to legalization needs to be promptly revised, streamlined, amended, WHATEVER word you want you use. Surely, both parties can get something worthwhile enacted. Mass deportations, if truly in the millions, may do more harm than good … it seems to me.
Their economies do not need them, it seems to me. They come here to do work in jobs that are hard, if not impossible, to fill. YES, OF COURSE … do something to make them LEGAL !!
Wow, you have clearly never read the Declaration of Independence and do not understand the First Amendment. You also don’t know history and avoid every reference to God that exists since the formation of this country. You can display an ignorance that is pathetic and then pretend you could offer anyone an education. LOL
You need to move on so that you don’t compound your foolishness. You have no clue of what you write.
But, we can agree on one thing: The constitution forbids government interference with the religious beliefs of our founding fathers and all of us today. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut.
I know that Robert Reich is a Democrat and there will be many here who will quickly dismiss the points he makes in this video.
He's not perfect and there may be inaccuracies in what he's saying and the data he's quoting, of course, but if you disagree with him ... please provide documentation that proves him wrong. That is how we can have a civil discussion about this complex issue and have common acceptance of facts that everyone agrees on. My biggest desire, as I have stated (along with many others here) is to, as Reich says, find legal pathways for illegal migrant laborers to be here legally.
He's not perfect and there may be inaccuracies in what he's saying and the data he's quoting, of course, but if you disagree with him ... please provide documentation that proves him wrong. That is how we can have a civil discussion about this complex issue and have common acceptance of facts that everyone agrees on. My biggest desire, as I have stated (along with many others here) is to, as Reich says, find legal pathways for illegal migrant laborers to be here legally.
You seem a little lost so let me help. The stars and bars, that flag that flew high at Trump's attempted coup and made it's way into the halls of congress-that flag was carried by confederates as they fought for the right to own their fellow human beings. Trump has graciously offered to rename all those southern forts after the Generals who fought so valiantly to defend slavery.
As ferociously as Conservatives fought to defend slavery, their fight is nothing compared to the fight Republicans have waged to deprive American workers of a living wage. You look pretty silly trying to pretend you're in favor of a living wage now.
Closing the border is the #1 thing that can be done regarding this issue. Thank God Trump did that!! He is the first politician to back up the rhetoric with a policy that actually fixes the issue. Now, I suspect the nation will not have the nuts or backbone to follow through on the policy beyond 2028 and I blame you lefties for that.
Until the border remains secure for YEARS, there should be zero discussion of streamlining for illegals to become legal. It is an insult to Americans and people who did it the right way.
Here's the brass tax... did you have a problem with Bush's or Obama's mass deportations? Or just the orange man's? That is what you're upset about...at least be the one honest liberal.
THat's a minority of them, and those jobs would not be impossible to fill when they were paid more.
The proof is in the pudding. Illegal immigration benefits the upper classes at the expense of the middle/lower class.
Immigration and illegal immigration are two differnet things. I am an immigrantwho is strongly in favor of legal, merit based immigration. And if there's one thing you can be absolutely sure of, irrespective of this source; if you are froming your opinions from tldr youtube videos that play to you like you are in gradeschool, it's a brainwashed opinion you've arrived at, not an informed, well0-reasoned one.
Agree we need immigration. Just not the illegal kinds. Don't have to listen to.
Then we agree. That's my position, too. Prevent ongoing illegal border crossings and find a faster pathway to legal status to those here. We need them.
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I read the Declaration of Independence just like week in fact. And no, still no mention of God, Jesus, or Christianity. Hardly surprising since the main author didn't even believe in the divinity of Jesus. I haven't been to Church in a few years, but isn't the divinity of Jesus a major principle of Christianity.
For all your typing and name calling you still haven't shown me anywhere in the DOI or the Constitution where any author acknowledged, attributed, or even gave some fleeting credit to Christianity. Also, since you clearly have a handle on this subject, which Christian Principles exactly did we incorporate? I listed most of the main ones as I remember.
If your argument had any substance, you would present it. Since it doesn't, you can't. You're just thrashing around like a fish on dry land. Thrash away.
