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Trump DOJ needs to look at these pardons as tacit admissions of guilt, then prosecute every single one of them. Let SCOTUS determine if the president has the power to issue blanket pardons for crimes that haven’t yet been charged.

If the Trump DOJ is unwilling to do that, Congress needs every single one of these people in hearings tomorrow to testify about the crimes they committed, without the ability to rely on the fifth amendment to save them.
 
Trump DOJ needs to look at these pardons as tacit admissions of guilt, then prosecute every single one of them. Let SCOTUS determine if the president has the power to issue blanket pardons for crimes that haven’t yet been charged.

If the Trump DOJ is unwilling to do that, Congress needs every single one of these people in hearings tomorrow to testify about the crimes they committed, without the ability to rely on the fifth amendment to save them.

They will not talk and nothing will be done. Hearings are so stupid. Show me the last conviction, penalty, or charge filed to anyone testifying in one of those "hearings"... Biden needs to be proven incompetent using case law THEN the pardons can be nullified. Then go from that point... We shall see...
 
Given that citizens of all 50 states were impacted by Fauci’s crimes, and there were probably J6 hostages from most states, AGs across the country need to target every single person the Biden admin just told us committed federal crimes in furtherance of the democrat lawless agenda.

And with our newfound friendship with China, Trump should make them give us copies of all his treasonous communications as an olive branch.
 
They will not talk and nothing will be done. Hearings are so stupid. Show me the last conviction, penalty, or charge filed to anyone testifying in one of those "hearings"... Biden needs to be proven incompetent using case law THEN the pardons can be nullified. Then go from that point... We shall see...

Fauci is an easy one. He’s testified before. Rand Paul has accused him of committing perjury, and it’s pretty clear he did. So drag Fauci in front of congress and ask him for truthful testimony, and let him know perjury from here on out will obviously land him in jail.

Then the Trump admin should use everything he says against him in court while disregarding these bullshit pardons.

That does open the door to the possibility these criminals would still exercise their 5th amendment rights until SCOTUS sorts out the pardon issue (which I fear isn’t going to be challenged, because Trump is going to want that power too, now that Biden admin set the precedent).
 
Also, in the scenario above, if Fauci does try and exercise fifth amendment protection, congress should hold him in contempt and imprison him like they did Bannon.

This should just be the beginning. The next four years of Faucis life should be more hell than what he put America through during Covid.
 
Fauci is an easy one. He’s testified before. Rand Paul has accused him of committing perjury, and it’s pretty clear he did. So drag Fauci in front of congress and ask him for truthful testimony, and let him know perjury from here on out will obviously land him in jail.

Then the Trump admin should use everything he says against him in court while disregarding these bullshit pardons.

That does open the door to the possibility these criminals would still exercise their 5th amendment rights until SCOTUS sorts out the pardon issue (which I fear isn’t going to be challenged, because Trump is going to want that power too, now that Biden admin set the precedent).

Hope to see some "balls" from where they have never been seen before. I do hope you are correct.
 
Also, in the scenario above, if Fauci does try and exercise fifth amendment protection, congress should hold him in contempt and imprison him like they did Bannon.

This should just be the beginning. The next four years of Faucis life should be more hell than what he put America through during Covid.

I agree and can only hope it comes out that way...
 
Fauci is an easy one. He’s testified before. Rand Paul has accused him of committing perjury, and it’s pretty clear he did. So drag Fauci in front of congress and ask him for truthful testimony, and let him know perjury from here on out will obviously land him in jail.

Then the Trump admin should use everything he says against him in court while disregarding these bullshit pardons.

That does open the door to the possibility these criminals would still exercise their 5th amendment rights until SCOTUS sorts out the pardon issue (which I fear isn’t going to be challenged, because Trump is going to want that power too, now that Biden admin set the precedent).

Yep. Get them in front of Congress to testify:

From Johnathan Turley:

...In reality, these pardons will not absolutely protect these individuals from being subpoenaed to give new testimony on prior claims. Lying in such interviews or hearings would constitute new criminal acts...

...In the case of Fauci, some members have suggested that he lied under oath repeatedly about his knowledge of gain-to-function work at the Wuhan lab. If called again, he would have to repeat or disavow the earlier testimony.




 
knew these people would never be punished and said as much many times. A few things:

This absolutely clears the way for fauci and others to be hauled to dc to testify endlessly. With the pardon, they cant claim fifth amendment protection and must testify.

Secondly I think these pardons can be challenged. I think mental capacity is clearly an issue along with the blanket pardon itself. Pardons should have to specify the crimes. This avenue should be pursued after the questioning to avoid giving them fifth amendment protection.

These people committed the most egregious crime vs this nation as a whole in our entire history. These pardons are at least proof of that, even if nothing else will ever come of it.

Also, in the scenario above, if Fauci does try and exercise fifth amendment protection, congress should hold him in contempt and imprison him like they did Bannon.

This should just be the beginning. The next four years of Faucis life should be more hell than what he put America through during Covid.

He cant claim fifth amendment protection with this pardon in place, unless he claims state law prosecution. However im not sure if a federal pardon protects acts done in dc or not.

Either way, haul them all to Congress and grill them before attacking the pardon. That way you don't give them the easy out.

I say that because these people coordinated to shut down the nation, steal an election, and inject everyone with an experimental drug they knew didn't work. With that kind of power backing them, theyre never seeing a cell. So might as well put them through hell with testimony.
 
He cant claim fifth amendment protection with this pardon in place, unless he claims state law prosecution.

If the Trump admin, or anyone in Congress, is challenging the validity of blanket pardons, preemptive pardons, or Biden’s mental capacity, without a doubt they’ll refuse to testify. That tweet up the page about Chip Roy wanting to “test the Constitutional reach” is going to be all it takes. Congress should hold him in contempt and imprison him while the courts sort it out.
 
And I saw one person suggest accepting a pardon is a tacit admission of guilt under current precedent, so hopefully, at minimum, civil suits keep these people tied up in courts and legal proceedings for the rest of their lives.

Ashli Babbitt’s family will probably be the first to test that theory if the cop that shot her accepts a pardon for murder.
 
When I heard about the pardons I was pissed, then I stopped and thought about it. There is a reason Schiff didn't want a pardon. These clowns now have no 5th amendment protections what so ever, and there is a place to challenge these pardons. Plus, the pardons do not cover civil lawsuits nor does it stop the states from prosecuting.

Drag them before congress. Wring every bit of truth they can out of them, strip them of any and all federal benefits, and then feed them to the people. If they want a banana republic then they can enjoy the type of justice that comes along with it.
 
Trump DOJ needs to look at these pardons as tacit admissions of guilt, then prosecute every single one of them. Let SCOTUS determine if the president has the power to issue blanket pardons for crimes that haven’t yet been charged.

If the Trump DOJ is unwilling to do that, Congress needs every single one of these people in hearings tomorrow to testify about the crimes they committed, without the ability to rely on the fifth amendment to save them.
Slippery slope there. Are we doing that with everyone Trump pardoned and will surely pardon this time around too?
 
Said it was a seal leak and not warranted. I crawled her car, took pictures. Not so much as a drop of any leak or even moisture in any areas of oil or transmission. Checked all fluid levels as well. She was 73, no husband, no family, and a targeted pigeon.
A 2019 Hyundai with 23K miles should have a bumper to bumper at least 5 years/60K. You can buy up to 10years/100K. Powertrain should be that anyway. I would consider a transmission seal part of the powertrain. I have a 2020 Sonata Limited, if that had happened to me, they would have had a fight on their hands. I do take mine to get serviced at a Hyundai dealership only while it’s still under warranty so that they have all the maintenance records if something does come up warranty wise. But once the warranty is up, I won’t. They are always trying to tack on extra services that aren’t needed.
 
Also haven’t seen in pointed out yet, the only person Joe Biden has ever cared about is Joe Biden. If he’s mentally competent, he knows he committed crimes and a pardon for himself would be top of the list (because the pardon will be for criminal conduct before he was president that Hunter will need to testify truthfully about).

So if the Biden admin doesn’t issue a pardon for Joe Biden, I think it’s pretty clear Joe Biden doesn’t have any influence over these pardons, and certainly doesn’t have the mental capacity to issue any.
 
When I heard about the pardons I was pissed, then I stopped and thought about it. There is a reason Schiff didn't want a pardon. These clowns now have no 5th amendment protections what so ever, and there is a place to challenge these pardons. Plus, the pardons do not cover civil lawsuits nor does it stop the states from prosecuting.

Drag them before congress. Wring every bit of truth they can out of them, strip them of any and all federal benefits, and then feed them to the people. If they want a banana republic then they can enjoy the type of justice that comes along with it.
Again though, I highly doubt our Congress has the balls to hold them accountable when they do testify and continue lying. Unfortunately these folks are simply above the law. They have guarantees and now a pardon. Until I see our Congress of justice system do the right thing, nothing will convince me folks like Fauci will ever face a shred of punishment for the hell he and the others caused.
 
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