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Here’s the thing. We, the power hungry, unpatriotic MAGA Republicans know with 100% certainty that the election was tampered with (glass window wallpaper plus a water leak in Atlanta, vote tallies magically changing in the blink of an eye throughout the night, etc. - the things we saw with our own eyes in real time) and yet we still handed over power peacefully as throughout our nation’s history. And NO ONE tried to do anything different.He ran a giant plot explicitly to try to not. It's so heinous it's been beyond unthinkable for our entire country's history, literally centuries. No matter how bad things got, war, depression, disease, even a pitting of brother against brother, we never gave up our ideals and succumbed to the allure of power. Trump and MAGA did though. The most unAmerican, least patriotic group we've ever had in the history of our country.
Good grief.By deploying lawyers onto Fox News willing to lie about election results, employing talking heads on Fox News willing to repeat the lies, using fake electors in swing states, pressuring a sitting Vice President to disregard the electoral college vote and Constitution, calling state/local officials and asking them to "find" votes for you, using social media to strong arm congressional members to repeat your lies, and inciting a violent riot that puts pressure on Congress to disregard the Constitution and send everything back to Republican friendly state election boards.
It was an ATTEMPTED insurrection that only failed because of a few good men and women.
She looks likes she's starving.
Ain't one person listening to her. Even chicks be DAAAAYUUMMM!
The last 3.5 years has been one huge "giving up of our ideals and succumbing to the allure of power" by the Biden administration who has done nothing but ignore, censor and persecute American citizens while flooding the country with Illegals and spending hundreds of billions on them while also sending hundreds of billions to fund foreign wars. Americans be damned. What this admin has been doing and is still doing is far worse of a catastrophe than anything you perceive Trump did.He ran a giant plot explicitly to try to not. It's so heinous it's been beyond unthinkable for our entire country's history, literally centuries. No matter how bad things got, war, depression, disease, even a pitting of brother against brother, we never gave up our ideals and succumbed to the allure of power. Trump and MAGA did though. The most unAmerican, least patriotic group we've ever had in the history of our country.
Beau died when he threw himself on an Iraqi thrown hand grenade, protecting a group of transgendered children from Palestine and Israel who have fine people on both sides.
No one has ever shown one shred of evidence that the election was stolen. Show us. Show anyone. You can't because you're a liar and a fraud.Here’s the thing. We, the power hungry, unpatriotic MAGA Republicans know with 100% certainty that the election was tampered with (glass window wallpaper plus a water leak in Atlanta, vote tallies magically changing in the blink of an eye throughout the night, etc. - the things we saw with our own eyes in real time) and yet we still handed over power peacefully as throughout our nation’s history. And NO ONE tried to do anything different.
There was a very reasonable request by the Trump administration not to certify the election results until the inconsistencies had been properly investigated and rectified.
The unpatriotic, power hungry Americans you reference are not in any way, shape or form violent people. Compare their actions to any of the BLM or Antifa riots and get honest with yourself about who is a protester and who is an anarchist.
And let’s not forget that Trump’s administration tried to provide National Guard security on January 6th, but democrats all rejected it. But you may not know that since your favorite congressional committee intentionally omitted that fact from their report and hid the evidence.
Oh, and the government had its own plain clothes agents dispersed throughout the January 6th crowd, and we really have never been enlightened as to why they were there or what they did or did not do to encourage the crowd to enter the Capital.
Seriously, though, keep telling yourself that it’s the Americans you despise so much that are the problem. What is it they say, the LIE will set you free?
Did the mayor call a social worker to come fix the situation?
Resident Libs... Deomestic Terrorists or nah?
Maybe our fanbase can do the necessary research to find out who she is and if those are factory air. I am sure there are pics of her "assets" online, and purely for research purposes I want to see if there is evidence of scaring around the...spickets. I am a scientist.Ain't one person listening to her. Even chicks be DAAAAYUUMMM!
Using Covid to change all the historic rules allowing ballot harvesting etc.... You know the election was not conducted fairly. Stop being obtuse.No one has ever shown one shred of evidence that the election was stolen. Show us. Show anyone. You can't because you're a liar and a fraud.
Even that though, is a moot point. Trump organized fake electors in swing states and tried to get his VP to acknowledge those fake votes instead of the real ones as the Electoral Count Act instructs. That is a criminal conspiracy to illegally and unconstitutionally remain in power after you lost an election. Even if you grant there were shenanigans in the election(there weren't) Trump cannot do what he did with the fake electors. Only the EC votes that meet the Safe Harbor standard as laid out in the Electoral Count Act can be counted. Or we do not have a constitutional republic. The VP does not just get to unilaterally say whatever they want and crown us a king. You do not want Kamala Harris doing that. No one does. That is the end of America.
That is what Trump tried and you support. The end of America. That is not patriotic. You are traitors just like the Confederates before you.
The actions are organizing fake electors in multiple states, forging fake copies of official documents to further your plot, and trying to get your VP to betray their constitutional oath and duty to crown you. Even going to the point of, as you just said, siccing a mob on your own VP when he wouldn't go along with it. Those votes Trump wanted Pence to acknowledge didn't just magically appear out of thin air. People took concrete actions based on coordinated instructions to make them.Good grief.
News orgs aren't an insurrection. Fox called AZ first for Biden, so how did they support Trump? Asking/pressuring people to do things aren't actions - which an insurrection is. Strong arm? What does that even mean? Were they physically threatened? You can't lump separate independent discussions together & say that adds up to something. Actions are necessary for an insurrection & the only action was a lightly armed riot.
Alternate electors....you mean like Hawaii in 1960.The actions are organizing fake electors in multiple states, forging fake copies of official documents to further your plot, and trying to get your VP to betray their constitutional oath and duty to crown you. Even going to the point of, as you just said, siccing a mob on your own VP when he wouldn't go along with it. Those votes Trump wanted Pence to acknowledge didn't just magically appear out of thin air. People took concrete actions based on coordinated instructions to make them.
1) Clinton years , I was starting to grow up thenPolitical question for all - and its a neutral themed one
1) When did you become aware of / involved with or start your education of -- politics in general?
Early / mid 90s for me - details if interested
2) Whats one area / example of a topic where you have changed your views over time?
How many times do we have to go over this?Alternate electors....you mean like Hawaii in 1960.
There is no evidence of your alternate set of conspiracy theories.
If you want to get technical what happened in '60 wasn't legal either. It was just never challenged in court as it was a political problem that was resolved through political means, agreed upon by all sides. Hawaii technically should have gone to Nixon, as that Republican slate of electors was the only one that met the safe harbor deadline. But when the recount showed Kennedy won the Republican Hawaii AG declined to appeal and Nixon himself acknowledged the Dem ones, with a unanimous vote from both houses(and the specifically stated addendum that this was done "without the intent of establishing a precedent") as everyone agreed on the outcome. If it had gone to SCOTUS it would've been strictly enforced and Nixon won Hawaii. The other electors weren't legal, they just weren't prosecuted because everyone knew they were actually the true winners after the recount.
Side note: Highlighting this incident really shows how divided our politics has become huh? Do we think a Republican AG would let that stand today? Or that there would be a unanimous vote of both houses of Congress accepting one slate? Matt Gaetz ain't going along with that lol.
Hawaii didn't do anything like it. They sent different slates at different times due to procedural reasons, but every set had the full sanction and backing of the government. They were explicitly not competing electors and both sides involved agreed to them. The opposite of Trump's situation where illegal electors were organized outside of the governmental structure explicitly to compete with the sanctioned electors. It isn't anything close to a similar situation and anyone bringing it up as such is intentionally obfuscating. Nixon even specifically put the disclaimer on at the time that his act of acknowledging those electors did not establish any precedent. The only time a similar event with intentionally competing slates were sent was the contested postwar election of 1876.
Again we've been over this. Both slates were sent by the whole government apparatus in that case, including being approved by the governor. Even then, only the first slate was technically legal. There just was no partisan political dispute over it like there would be nowadays. Nixon himself would've been the beneficiary of the votes and he accepted the others, with a huge statement of not setting precedent, because all sides agreed it was the morally correct outcome, if not the technical/legal one. Nixon didn't organize the second slate as a side thing in some plot like Trump did, the recount just wasn't done in time before the first deadline as Hawaii was a brand new state.
I make it a point that when I see a soy with a mask on, that I just shake my head at them in disgust. Virtue Signal much?
The constitution does not state that ONLY Hawaii style alternate electors are fine. Just because you have TDS does not meant that the ENTIRE process is open for debate. Had it not been then the process would have been fixed post 1960. Stop being obtuse.How many times do we have to go over this?
The Electoral Count Act does say specifically how it’s to be done, yes. That’s the point.The constitution does not state that ONLY Hawaii style alternate electors are fine. Just because you have TDS does not meant that the ENTIRE process is open for debate. Had it not been then the process would have been fixed post 1960. Stop being obtuse.
Is that the Electoral Count Act of 1961? ....The one proposed to fix the illegal attempt by Hawaii to present a slate of alternate electors. Is that the fix you are talking about?The Electoral Count Act does say specifically how it’s to be done, yes. That’s the point.
What are you talking about with “fixed post 1960”?
I know that liberals love their Covid masks, but as for wearing them at these camps on campuses, is that because they’re still worried about Covid or to shield their identities?
The left will use this as an example that they are so much more educated than we are....while saying that the GOP is the party of the wealthy. The wheels are coming off that narrative. You can only gaslight so much.
??? You’re the one who brought up some imaginary post ‘60 thing. So wtf are you talking about? The Electoral Count Act was 1887. As already contained in the previous post.Is that the Electoral Count Act of 1961? ....The one proposed to fix the illegal attempt by Hawaii to present a slate of alternate electors. Is that the fix you are talking about?
Combo. The outside, Soros paid astroturf is certainly using the mask as a...mask...to hide their identity. The leftist professors are using as a signal....of their fear of a microbe and their slavishly beholding to "the Man."I know that liberals love their Covid masks, but as for wearing them at these camps on campuses, is that because they’re still worried about Covid or to shield their identities?
Put another way, are they idiots or cowards? Or both?
Creating an illegal slate of fake electors is an illegal action.Good grief.
News orgs aren't an insurrection. Fox called AZ first for Biden, so how did they support Trump? Asking/pressuring people to do things aren't actions - which an insurrection is. Strong arm? What does that even mean? Were they physically threatened? You can't lump separate independent discussions together & say that adds up to something. Actions are necessary for an insurrection & the only action was a lightly armed riot.
Wow. If 1960 Hawaii didnt bring any wrath down on the system then it was valid legal theory. You guys have TDS and that is all that matters. The evidence that the theory of the alternate slate of electors...and much of the 1887 act....is open to interpretation. FULL STOP. Just because you do not like an interpretation does not mean it is illegal or lacks validity. Pushing the envelope is not illegal.??? You’re the one who brought up some imaginary post ‘60 thing. So wtf are you talking about? The Electoral Count Act was 1887. As already contained in the previous post.
Grand Jury Indicts Ham Sandwich. Film at 11.Creating an illegal slate of fake electors is an illegal action.
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Threatening/intimidation of election workers is an illegal action.
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Soliciting a public official to violate his oath of office, conspiring to commit forgery in the first degree, conspiring to file false documents, and making false statements are all illegal actions.
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Beating police, breaking windows, busting down doors, storming barricades and trespassing are all illegal actions.
'Approximately 1,000' assaults on law enforcement occurred during Capitol attack, DOJ review finds
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How many hours a day does Dear Leader allow you to post on here?Grand Jury Indicts Ham Sandwich. Film at 11.