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    Votes: 41 82.0%
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But the simple point is, a few years ago, Bill Maher was as progressive S they come and skewered conservatives exclusively..
Now you’ve gone way too far with your nonsense even for him.
That’s the point.
This discussion IS about the definition of the word "woke". The simple point is that Conservatives appropriated a word from an ethnic group that they use incessantly to mock that group, liberals, and anyone with whom they don't agree. Of course, like most things conservative..they do this deliberately and then pretend they aren't doing it, which is why they constantly avoid any real discussion of the actual definition and historical context of the word "woke">

Maher is sometime liberal in his views, but he has ALWAYS attacked and ridiculed some elements of liberalism that he views as "politically correct". In fact, his show in the 1990's was called "Politcally Incorrect" due to it's focus on tearing down ideas where he thought defied common sense in the interest of political ideology. That is still his hook. For years, he has consistently stereotyped Arabs and Muslims as terrorists and has incorrectly said that Islamic groups pose a greater threat to US Security than Right Wing Extremists , has referred to himself as a "house-n word" (for which he had to apologize) and has in the past has had Conservative Pyscho Ann Coulter on his show when she was at her right wing nuttiest. You want to chacterize Maher as "progressive as they come?" Good luck with that.
 
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I'm posting most of the WSJ's editorial on the effects of the Trump indictment because it seems wide-ranging and accurate to me:

"We’re on record as believing that Attorney General Merrick Garland’s indictment of Mr. Trump is a misguided use of prosecutorial power that could have destructive consequences. It intervenes in a presidential election campaign, unleashing political furies that are impossible to predict. It keeps Mr. Trump the dominant issue of the presidential campaign, denying the country the larger debate the public deserves.

The shame is that this is exactly what both Mr. Trump and the White House want. Mr. Trump would rather not be charged, but he is already brandishing the indictments against him as a campaign credential. He’s all but saying Republicans must nominate him as the only defense Americans have against Democrats and the deep state. Democrats want to run against Mr. Trump because they think he’d be the easiest Republican to beat, or to ruin in office if he does win again.

GOP primary voters can benefit from reading the latest Trump indictment and asking what it means for a second Trump term. The facts alleged show that Mr. Trump has again played into the hands of his enemies. His actions were reckless, arrogant and remarkably self-destructive. This is the same Donald Trump they will get if they nominate him for a third time.

Mr. Trump believes he had the right to keep the documents under the Presidential Records Act, and we think he has a stronger case than the press claims.
But once he received a subpoena for those documents, Mr. Trump should have known he was at legal peril if he concealed them or lied about having them.

Yet if the indictment is correct, that is precisely what he did. He allegedly suggested to a lawyer that he could “pluck” out a page and not turn it over. In the most striking episode, he brandished a classified document related to a war plan in front of his staff and a writer. Incredibly, the indictment says he did this while he knew he was being tape-recorded: “Mr. Trump: Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this. You attack, and—”
In the same conversation, he allegedly admitted that he hadn’t declassified the document, as he previously told the public he had done with all documents he retained. He thus undercut part of his own potential defense. The narcissism and wretched judgment are familiar, but still hard to believe.

It’s also telling that Mr. Trump is now struggling to find lawyers to replace the two who resigned last week. How can a former President not find a lawyer? Dam good question unless people don't want to work for you.

All of this fits the pattern that made Mr. Trump’s Presidency less productive than it could have been. Yes, he was wronged by the false Russia collusion claims. But too often he helped his opponents.

In 2017 he retained James Comey as FBI director against better advice because he thought he could control him. Four months later Mr. Trump undercut his own deputy attorney general’s explanation for firing Mr. Comey by saying he fired him because the FBI director wouldn’t publicly exonerate him. This triggered the Mueller special counsel probe.

Mr. Trump aided his own first impeachment with a phone call to Volodymyr Zelensky looking for dirt on Joe Biden. He undermined his credibility on Covid because he lacked the self-discipline to avoid brawling with reporters who knew they could always goad him.

His role in the disgrace of Jan. 6, 2021, is well known. But had he accepted the 2020 election results, he might now be coasting to the nomination and have an excellent chance to win.

If Mr. Trump is the GOP nominee, he is unlikely to defeat Joe Biden. But if he did win, the document fiasco is what a second term would be like. He wouldn’t be able to deliver the conservative policy victories that Republicans want because he can’t control himself. He’d be preoccupied with grievance and what he calls “retribution.” The best people won’t work for him because they see how he mistreated so many loyalists in the first term. Huge problems. I haven't heard a Trumpster deal with this or suggest a cabinet lineup.

If Republicans really want to defeat Democrats, the press and a hostile bureaucracy, they’ll nominate a candidate who won’t shrink from a fight but will also be smart enough not to blunder into obvious traps.
If Republicans nominate Mr. Trump again
, they won’t “own the libs,” as the faddish saying goes. The libs will own them."

 
Interesting article from Kentucky State professor how the left simplifies and changes history to fit their narratives (sounds familiar on here) but not just about redlining

Redlining was a practice designed to keep black people from buying homes in white neighborhoods. I suspect that there's been a slip in the re-write here. The way it's written doesn't make any sense.
 
How are you guys holding up after having the leading Republican candidate arrested more times than he's won elections? Independents will surely flock to his side in 2024 like never before. I don't see any way Trump loses if he's the nominee. MAGA Train toot toot. Get in and let's win!
Stalinists are going to be Stalinists. You will not be happy until there is just one candidate on the ballot and 100% go to your dear leader. Fortunately the GOP will rescue the US from the Authoritarian Banana Republic it has become. The rest of the world is laughing at the Dems for arresting their political opponents like they do in Venezuela or Cuba.
 
I'm posting most of the WSJ's editorial on the effects of the Trump indictment because it seems wide-ranging and accurate to me:

"We’re on record as believing that Attorney General Merrick Garland’s indictment of Mr. Trump is a misguided use of prosecutorial power that could have destructive consequences. It intervenes in a presidential election campaign, unleashing political furies that are impossible to predict. It keeps Mr. Trump the dominant issue of the presidential campaign, denying the country the larger debate the public deserves.

The shame is that this is exactly what both Mr. Trump and the White House want. Mr. Trump would rather not be charged, but he is already brandishing the indictments against him as a campaign credential. He’s all but saying Republicans must nominate him as the only defense Americans have against Democrats and the deep state. Democrats want to run against Mr. Trump because they think he’d be the easiest Republican to beat, or to ruin in office if he does win again.

GOP primary voters can benefit from reading the latest Trump indictment and asking what it means for a second Trump term. The facts alleged show that Mr. Trump has again played into the hands of his enemies. His actions were reckless, arrogant and remarkably self-destructive. This is the same Donald Trump they will get if they nominate him for a third time.

Mr. Trump believes he had the right to keep the documents under the Presidential Records Act, and we think he has a stronger case than the press claims.
But once he received a subpoena for those documents, Mr. Trump should have known he was at legal peril if he concealed them or lied about having them.

Yet if the indictment is correct, that is precisely what he did. He allegedly suggested to a lawyer that he could “pluck” out a page and not turn it over. In the most striking episode, he brandished a classified document related to a war plan in front of his staff and a writer. Incredibly, the indictment says he did this while he knew he was being tape-recorded: “Mr. Trump: Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this. You attack, and—”
In the same conversation, he allegedly admitted that he hadn’t declassified the document, as he previously told the public he had done with all documents he retained. He thus undercut part of his own potential defense. The narcissism and wretched judgment are familiar, but still hard to believe.

It’s also telling that Mr. Trump is now struggling to find lawyers to replace the two who resigned last week. How can a former President not find a lawyer? Dam good question unless people don't want to work for you.

All of this fits the pattern that made Mr. Trump’s Presidency less productive than it could have been. Yes, he was wronged by the false Russia collusion claims. But too often he helped his opponents.

In 2017 he retained James Comey as FBI director against better advice because he thought he could control him. Four months later Mr. Trump undercut his own deputy attorney general’s explanation for firing Mr. Comey by saying he fired him because the FBI director wouldn’t publicly exonerate him. This triggered the Mueller special counsel probe.

Mr. Trump aided his own first impeachment with a phone call to Volodymyr Zelensky looking for dirt on Joe Biden. He undermined his credibility on Covid because he lacked the self-discipline to avoid brawling with reporters who knew they could always goad him.

His role in the disgrace of Jan. 6, 2021, is well known. But had he accepted the 2020 election results, he might now be coasting to the nomination and have an excellent chance to win.

If Mr. Trump is the GOP nominee, he is unlikely to defeat Joe Biden. But if he did win, the document fiasco is what a second term would be like. He wouldn’t be able to deliver the conservative policy victories that Republicans want because he can’t control himself. He’d be preoccupied with grievance and what he calls “retribution.” The best people won’t work for him because they see how he mistreated so many loyalists in the first term. Huge problems. I haven't heard a Trumpster deal with this or suggest a cabinet lineup.

If Republicans really want to defeat Democrats, the press and a hostile bureaucracy, they’ll nominate a candidate who won’t shrink from a fight but will also be smart enough not to blunder into obvious traps.
If Republicans nominate Mr. Trump again
, they won’t “own the libs,” as the faddish saying goes. The libs will own them."


That is a very well reasoned position. Yes trump was unfairly targeted and now unfairly prosecuted but damn if he didn't make it way easier for them than anyone else would've.

As for the subpoena, he should've immediately filed a civil action to quash so the matter could play out and avoid giving them this opportunity. Then doubled down on the insanity by lying and saying he had nothing else when he did.

It's extraordinarily reckless at the very least. At worst it's the clear sign of a brilliant person well past their prime. Maybe it's even both.

All that said, these moves by Dems are going to cause escalation destructive to our country.
 
The latest explanation du jour from Trump. He didn't send the documents back because the boxes held shoes and other clothes. Gone is the claim that a) the docs were planted by the FBI and b) he wants them back. (I love that one. It's got a piquant blend of insanity, mendacity, and greed.)

A year and a half just isn't time enough to unpack.
 
The latest explanation du jour from Trump. He didn't send the documents back because the boxes held shoes and other clothes. Gone is the claim that a) the docs were planted by the FBI and b) he wants them back. (I love that one. It's got a piquant blend of insanity, mendacity, and greed.)

A year and a half just isn't time enough to unpack.

NOTE: The indictment didn't include any criminal charge related to Trump's last shipment of documents to Bedminster. I have heard it theorized that was done in case Aileen "Loose" Cannon derails the prosecution in Florida. A track record of inventing Opposite Day in law gives a judge a bad reputation.

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Joyce [Vance] just told god and everybody that there's a provision in CIPA [Confidential Information Production Act] that allows for an IMMEDIATE right of EXPEDITED APPEAL. So what does that mean?

It means that if Judge Cannon makes a ridiculous ruling that DoJ wants to appeal, SHE does NOT get to set the briefing schedule. The DoJ can appeal IMMEDIATELY to the 11th circuit - the same circuit that vacated TWO of Cannon's rulings in the Special Master case.

Further, DoJ can utilize that trigger to IMMEDIATELY ask the 11th circuit to reassign the case to a different judge. No delay allowed under CIPA - at least not a substantial one. This will prevent Cannon from delaying unnecessarily, and hopefully make her think twice about issuing ridiculous rulings lest she be thrown off the case in short order.

 
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If FCPS is going to skate around the new law w/ some loophole to allow them to indoctrinate our kids w/ their BS, then parents need to storm the next school board meeting.

Iirc it's all because of the incompetent state gop who drafted the language of the statute making it discretionary and not mandatory. As usual the gop at all levels snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

That said, it's pathetic and disgusting they're so motivated to indoctrinate kids
 
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Ever wonder why conservatives always focus on inflation rather than salaries for the middle class? Could it be that Republican policies since Reagan have the middle class by shoveling our nation's resources into pockets of the super rich?

We've had massive tax cuts under the the Reagan, Bush, and Trump Presidencies. With each of these we were assured that these tax cuts would "trickle down" to everyone, "pay for themselves", "eliminate the debt", "grow the economy", "improve prosperity for workers" and on and on.

What's actually happened? Certainly none of the above. The debt has grown astronomically, these tax cuts have sucked our treasury dry, and most importantly the wealthiest of us have gotten far richer. and the middle class feels a little more pinched ever year. Maybe this helpts to explain the anger on this board.

 
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That is a very well reasoned position. Yes trump was unfairly targeted and now unfairly prosecuted but damn if he didn't make it way easier for them than anyone else would've.

As for the subpoena, he should've immediately filed a civil action to quash so the matter could play out and avoid giving them this opportunity. Then doubled down on the insanity by lying and saying he had nothing else when he did.

It's extraordinarily reckless at the very least. At worst it's the clear sign of a brilliant person well past their prime. Maybe it's even both.

All that said, these moves by Dems are going to cause escalation destructive to our country.
For all the good Trump did for this country as President while also being a loose cannon, he'd only be more out of control in a second term. Why would any competent person work for him in a second term? In fact, working for him could be the definition of incompetence. That's why he's having trouble hiring a competent legal team now. Can't his supporters see this? Guess not.
 
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