Dictators don’t always start out as dictators. Germany pre-Hitler was still a functioning democracy. As power was gained it was used to gain more power. The ultimate objective to squash all opposition so they can achieve the desired objective.Why do you all throw out the dictator word? You are just cheapening the true meaning of a dictator. If Trump was a dictator or was exhibiting dictator like behavior, there would be no decision for state lawmakers to make, he would make the decision himself. If there were state lawmakers and they went against his decision or even spoke out against it, he would have them silenced one way or another.
Because you think with your feelings, you think that using buzz words like dictator and Hitler adds more 'weight' to your argument. In reality, it negatively affects your argument when any rational and critical-thinking person hears them. A simple, 'I don't agree with Trump lobbying state lawmakers' would suffice and be much more respected and received. I and many on here would listen to those arguments, but when you continually use those buzz words, we immediately discredit the argument and tune you out.
and you can't get to SCOTUS without presenting REAL evidence in lower courts. there is no allowance of evidence or witnesses at the supreme court. You only get to bring forward lower court briefs and rulings. Time for ghouliani to put up or shut up.That’s dumb. No matter who the lower courts rule for, the other side will appeal. The SCOTUS is the inevitable endgame. Amazing how stupid you sound compared to your arrogant posture.
Triggered.
In all seriousness, I do agree with those that say Trump’s team needs to start presenting the evidence. Every day that passes after the election makes the claim harder to prove as well as further cementing Biden as the winner. It’s time to make the move if you have it.
In regards to attempting to persuade the legislatures to submit pro-Trump electors, I’m not sure how to feel about it. It’s a very dangerous precedent to set that our elections are irrelevant to selection of the President. Yes, it’s fully constitutional and legal. But it undoubtedly gives me pause. It’s clearly not an ideal situation.
On the other hand, when I look at the modern day left what I see terrifies me. You have a party that has come to embrace communist ideals, abhors free speech, cheers censorship, wants to throw open the border, espouses openly racist ideology, will sell us out to China, and silence anyone who disagrees with them. When I consider that, I’m much more likely to agree with using those mechanisms to keep Trump in power.
I honestly don’t see how America can last much longer in its current form. We’re too divided and the foundational core values that transcended party lines - belief in our constitution, individual liberty, limited government, love of country, and yes, Judeo-Christian values - are no longer present on one side. How do you compromise with a side that not only wants radical change from our traditional beliefs but also HATES those that cherish those beliefs. I don’t know...
Because of the individual makeups of each state. Phoenix, Detroit, Las Vegas, Atlanta, and Philadelphia are all very different cities with different demographics. Philly and Detroit literally have more black people than LA at a fraction of its size. Strongest Dem voting blocs in the whole country. Vegas and Phoenix meanwhile are white and Hispanic, much more even vote distribution so no gigantic swings as their vote comes in. Maricopa and Philadelphia counties have entirely different populations, why would you expect them to vote exactly the same?Again, why didn’t every state have these same swings?
And how dangerous would it be if they are never able to produce that proof? Is that the new precident? Lose an election, make claims of fraud without “iron clad proof” to stay in power just in case that proof can be found...or manufactured?The most dangerous thing for this country would be for an illegitimate President to be inaugurated and then to later have iron clad proof come out that he was illegitimate. A civil war would break out if he didn't resign immediately.
Well, he has made the argument publicly that the legislatures ought to change the law about reps to the electoral college (which almost all legislators have already flatly rejected as being illegal as hell).
So what legitimate business do you think the President is discussing with the Michigan legislators, pr even local election boards, if not to twist their arms to change the law after the election and send Republican electors to Washington to vote, instead of Democrats who actually won the state by 150,000 votes? What would you call that? Trump being Trump, and laugh it off?
Dictators don’t always start out as dictators. Germany pre-Hitler was still a functioning democracy. As power was gained it was used to gain more power. The ultimate objective to squash all opposition so they can achieve the desired objective.
There is a reason we study history as so we can recognize events such as these.
Trump had every right to oppose expanded mail in voting however according to the Constitution of the United States it is left to the states to hold elections. Once the states made their decisions it is his duty to uphold the Constitution he swore to defend and accept the outcome of the state races. He however is more determined to further divide the nation by making unprovable claims and accusations.
Dictators don’t always start out as dictators. Germany pre-Hitler was still a functioning democracy. As power was gained it was used to gain more power. The ultimate objective to squash all opposition so they can achieve the desired objective.
There is a reason we study history as so we can recognize events such as these.
Trump had every right to oppose expanded mail in voting however according to the Constitution of the United States it is left to the states to hold elections. Once the states made their decisions it is his duty to uphold the Constitution he swore to defend and accept the outcome of the state races. He however is more determined to further divide the nation by making unprovable claims and accusations.
And how dangerous would it be if they are never able to produce that proof? Is that the new precident? Lose an election, make claims of fraud without “iron clad proof” to stay in power just in case that proof can be found...or manufactured?
Because of the individual makeups of each state. Phoenix, Detroit, Las Vegas, Atlanta, and Philadelphia are all very different cities with different demographics. Philly and Detroit literally have more black people than LA at a fraction of its size. Strongest Dem voting blocs in the whole country. Vegas and Phoenix meanwhile are white and Hispanic, much more even vote distribution so no gigantic swings as their vote comes in. Maricopa and Philadelphia counties have entirely different populations, why would you expect them to vote exactly the same?
TRump now inviting state lawmakers to the WH to try and convince them to ignore their voters and install electors loyal to him. You don't go for that strategy if you think you have proof to win. That move is also now about to force republican senators to turn against Trump. Directly interfering with the states election officials is even a bridge to far for them.
You do realize that election laws were changed without going through the legislature? I don't recall you being upset about that, even though its unconstitutional.
I share your fears bud along with millions of other Americans. I would be okay with splitting this country into two separate countries than to live in a communist plantation.
You do realize that election laws were changed without going through the legislature? I don't recall you being upset about that, even though its unconstitutional.
Trump is not the one shutting down the nation. He is not mandating we do this or we do that and we go to jail or get fined. That is all coming from Democrats.Anyone who thinks Trump is a dictator is flat out retarded.
Generally enjoy your takes but cowering to the left is never the answer.And though I voted Trump, I'll admit that I'm ready for him to go away and let's just move forward. An election overturn would be the worst thing to ever happen to this country. I'm not ready to go there. Elections have been rigged/stolen before...and there will be many more in the future. But overturning on it's face what is a convincing win for Biden? Yikes. Can't imagine.
Move on. Fix it in 4 years. Trump lost because he was an asshole...similar to Bevin.
Yeah, because destroying democracy is the same as impeachment. in case you werent alive the last 25 years.... the right impeached Clinton over a bj. you didnt see Clinton seizing power going around the election to stay in power .Jesus Christ. It’s like you retards weren’t alive the past 4 years.
Agree, not the person I want in the foxhole with me if ish were to go down.Generally enjoy your takes but cowering to the left is never the answer.
Imagine posting something like this thinking you made a point.
was it signed by the gov yet? because he also has to sign. and then something about Trump can ask for a recount within 2 days. he'll probably do that...Georgia SoS has signed the vote certification. Trump has been dumped.
Because MI, WI, and PA, the states with those lopsided dumps, all had to wait until election day to count their mail-ins which were extremely lopsided Dem. Norfolk is the only one that had a similar process, and it did have the same pattern of an extremely heavy Biden mail-in dump that came in late. That's why networks all night had to defend their early calls of VA for Biden when viewers saw Trump ahead. They called it based on outstanding vote in cities which they knew were coming in last and heavy Biden.How about St Louis, Memphis, Birmingham, Norfolk, Newark?
My point is there are large cities all over the nation, similar dumps should be apparent.
"The Purge" needs to become a documentary.It's not. there's civil war next year starting either way
The conservative states should make a pact with Mexico.
The liberal states should make a pact with Canada.
Ideally, this gets handled without war.