Serious question to anyone who touts a separate palestine as critical for achieving peace -
Is that something you would think gets established and maybe even policed by outside players?
Do you see the Abraham Accord as being useful to the process?
Not trying to play gotcha - just wondering how you see something like that being established maintained and effective towards creating peace in that region?
I don't know if you quoted my post to direct the question to me, but I will answer it.
I don't have a "belief" regarding the situation there. I have an understanding of what has happened in the past and perspectives from Palestinians, Catholics, Jews, secular Jews, and Arabs.
The facts I know are these-
- The Palestinians have rejected every 2 state solution proposed either through flat refusal, tacit refusal by electing radical leadership, or breaking treaties/armistice.
- Palestinians claim the territory as theirs
- The state of Israel claims the territory as theirs
- However, the Bible that establishes the Jewish claim to Israel is the same one that says they don't get to have it unless everyone in the country obeys the laws of the Bible.
- The Palestinians claim their right to the land based on a name given to the land by a conquering kingdom long since expelled from the territory, but a claim that isn't supported by any of the surrounding nations that share common beliefs.
- The people that founded the current nation of Israel did not want and did not allow religious Jews to emigrate there for most of last century. They wanted Israel to be a secular state and the religious to be in the minority.
- The surrounding nations didn't want Israel to exist where it is, but couldn't keep the land conquered, losing it to European powers around 1917-18 when the Ottoman Empire fell.
- Those same nations also refused to absorb the Palestinian Arab refugees that sought refuge with them, because they did not represent a good investment from a immigration standpoint.
- The PLO and other terrorist organizations received financial support from many outside sources to keep conflict fresh in the region.
- The Oslo Accords were both orchestrated and undermined by some of the same powers.
It's a mess of a situation, but it's also clear that only Israel wants to make this a habitable space suitable for growth and enterprise. Gaza has done nothing to improve itself in spite of hundreds of millions being given to them for free. Same goes for the West Bank. The only improvements that are made have been made by Israel.
Many of the Palestinians want free handouts rather than legit work and admit as much among their peers and fellow Arabs. They see women as chattel, and are less tolerant than even the leftists on this board. They either do not want industry, or they go to Israel to work. They either do not want to grow anything, or they go to Israel to farm. They do this because what they create for themselves and their families in the territories is taken from them by their own people.
They want to be seen as strong and respectable, but want others to pay their way at the same time, just like leftists here. They will marry multiple wives if it will get them dual citizenship and a free meal ticket.
I once new a guy whose sister was engaged to marry a Palestinian, but wised up when his wife contacted her to tell him what a POS he is. This American woman had a nice long conversation with the Palestinian woman and found out he had lied about being mistreated and abused by the Israelis to gain her sympathy. He simply wanted to go to America as a citizen to live off an American woman or system like he did there. He hated America and Israel, was public about it, and that's just one reason why he couldn't go to Israel to get good work.
Totally wild situation and relationship between Hamas and Palestinians, not dissimilar to the relationship of many Africa Americans to the Democrat party here in the states. They vote for their authority and are crushed by their policies, while blaming Israel for what their leaders are doing to them.
Do I think a Palestinian state is necessary? No. Do I think an Israeli state is necessary? No.
It doest matter what I think, though.
What matters is that the Palestinians will not allow peace as long as Israel exists, and Israel is too dependent on foreign influence and money to not allow a Palestinian territory to exist (otherwise they would have to support an entire Palestinian welfare state on their own, and that is unsustainable).
