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How will they rule ??!

  • YES - Qualified

    Votes: 41 82.0%
  • NO - Disqualified

    Votes: 9 18.0%

  • Total voters
    50
  • Poll closed .
Not political but I got a good laugh out of it

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I'm not religious, but find it weird the following around kjv. Man would have written any version meaning its all flawed, thus believing that God has somehow preserved His word in an exacting manner that is 100% infallible in one particular version or another would be wrong. They ppl choose a version, claim that the version they have chosen is God’s only infallible word, and condemn all others as being of the devil. This leads to a cult-like mentality and very poor theology imo. Which i think you admitted yourself...youre under the impression the scripture must be ruthless or something as opposed to anything being "sugary sweet"...says who?

Let's just look at Genesis 1:1 for a right off the bat example.
"A land wherein thou shalt eat bread without scarceness, thou shalt not lack any thing in it; a land whose stones are iron, and out of whose hills thou mayest dig brass."

I'm sorry, how does one dig brass in hills it doesn't exist?

There's just a complete lack of care in the translation , not to mention how complex translation is, you're talking about translating words that dont perfectly match and may have a completely different meaning based on the area or context they are used. It's as simple as me saying "wow that's really cool" and translating it to another language thinking im saying "im surprised the temperature is low"

Here's another:
Deuteronomy 33:17

Lol it literally says unicorns, which of course don't exist. But even if the old English word speaks of a rhino or something else with one horn, the Hebrew word is singular – “unicorn.” And so, no matter what, the translation is wrong because a unicorn has only one horn.

These are of course innocent translation errors, but its caused tons of contradictions and improper story application throughout. I'm pretty sure anyone in scholarship says you SHOULD pull from various translations and not a single source. Not to mention the kjv of today isn't even the 1611 version.

Anyway, I know how this goes...not an attack on your faith. Carry on.

Don’t consider it an attack at all, as stated above I’m not I KJV only guy. You’re entitled to your opinion of it. None of the ancient languages translate perfect to English. But I honestly don’t think brass and unicorns (simple explanation for both btw) are tripping people up from a salvation or a sanctification standpoint unless they want to be tripped up.

The following is just one example of why I prefer the KJV over other more modern translations.

“In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins,” (Colossians 1:14, KJV).

“in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins,” (Colossians 1:14, NIV).

if we’re just pulling a verse, obviously the omission here leaves out the importance of Christs shedding of blood necessary for atonement. This is a singular example but there are others.
 
Don’t consider it an attack at all, as stated above I’m not I KJV only guy. You’re entitled to your opinion of it. None of the ancient languages translate perfect to English. But I honestly don’t think brass and unicorns (simple explanation for both btw) are tripping people up from a salvation or a sanctification standpoint unless they want to be tripped up.

The following is just one example of why I prefer the KJV over other more modern translations.

“In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins,” (Colossians 1:14, KJV).

“in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins,” (Colossians 1:14, NIV).

if we’re just pulling a verse, obviously the omission here leaves out the importance of Christs shedding of blood necessary for atonement. This is a singular example but there are others.

"KJV has its flaws, but not nearly as many as the NIV, NJB, or LB. If you want to know which version is the most accurate for each topic, read the information about who sponsored each translation and think about their possible motives for mistranslating or omitting parts.

For example- the NIV has a heavily Rabbinical input. You would expect the role of "the blood of Jesus" to be minimized. What's also interesting is that that version tends to emphasize human works over God's and His son's mercy and deliverance. It also uses the Septuagint's changes to the post-flood instructions. A lot of bias in that one.

KJV- There are errors you would expect from a Christian authority wanting to establish itself as legitimate among adherents to Catholicism and their symbology. 1 John 5:7-8 adds what is not there in the Greek manuscripts until after about 1k years. Acts 12:4 suddenly uses the word Easter where every previous translation (17 of 18) of the same Greek word is Passover. Again, makes sense from a traditional, Christian viewpoint, but is clearly an error of bias.

There are plenty of errors in the other translations I've read and studied, but these were easiest to recall offhand. The point is not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There is enough available to believers to find the correct translations and what has been added well after the fact, such that it doesn't mean we should discard the KJV. Just learn what is bias and what isn't. Learn was is poorly translated for a purpose, and what is an actual mistake in understanding. If the truth really matters to you, then you'll do this anyway."

From a friend who studied this stuff more than I do.
 
It's hard to get a good read on the polls at this point because they are all over the place (and based on the 2020 polling errors they are not to be trusted anyway) but I feel like the immigration and hurricane response issues are creating some late momentum for the Trump campaign.
 
Fake News.
Not one GD dime should go toward supporting foreign invaders. Not one.
 
Serious question to anyone who touts a separate palestine as critical for achieving peace -

Is that something you would think gets established and maybe even policed by outside players?

Do you see the Abraham Accord as being useful to the process?

Not trying to play gotcha - just wondering how you see something like that being established maintained and effective towards creating peace in that region?

I don't know if you quoted my post to direct the question to me, but I will answer it.

I don't have a "belief" regarding the situation there. I have an understanding of what has happened in the past and perspectives from Palestinians, Catholics, Jews, secular Jews, and Arabs.

The facts I know are these-

- The Palestinians have rejected every 2 state solution proposed either through flat refusal, tacit refusal by electing radical leadership, or breaking treaties/armistice.
- Palestinians claim the territory as theirs
- The state of Israel claims the territory as theirs
- However, the Bible that establishes the Jewish claim to Israel is the same one that says they don't get to have it unless everyone in the country obeys the laws of the Bible.
- The Palestinians claim their right to the land based on a name given to the land by a conquering kingdom long since expelled from the territory, but a claim that isn't supported by any of the surrounding nations that share common beliefs.
- The people that founded the current nation of Israel did not want and did not allow religious Jews to emigrate there for most of last century. They wanted Israel to be a secular state and the religious to be in the minority.
- The surrounding nations didn't want Israel to exist where it is, but couldn't keep the land conquered, losing it to European powers around 1917-18 when the Ottoman Empire fell.
- Those same nations also refused to absorb the Palestinian Arab refugees that sought refuge with them, because they did not represent a good investment from a immigration standpoint.
- The PLO and other terrorist organizations received financial support from many outside sources to keep conflict fresh in the region.
- The Oslo Accords were both orchestrated and undermined by some of the same powers.

It's a mess of a situation, but it's also clear that only Israel wants to make this a habitable space suitable for growth and enterprise. Gaza has done nothing to improve itself in spite of hundreds of millions being given to them for free. Same goes for the West Bank. The only improvements that are made have been made by Israel.

Many of the Palestinians want free handouts rather than legit work and admit as much among their peers and fellow Arabs. They see women as chattel, and are less tolerant than even the leftists on this board. They either do not want industry, or they go to Israel to work. They either do not want to grow anything, or they go to Israel to farm. They do this because what they create for themselves and their families in the territories is taken from them by their own people.

They want to be seen as strong and respectable, but want others to pay their way at the same time, just like leftists here. They will marry multiple wives if it will get them dual citizenship and a free meal ticket.

I once new a guy whose sister was engaged to marry a Palestinian, but wised up when his wife contacted her to tell him what a POS he is. This American woman had a nice long conversation with the Palestinian woman and found out he had lied about being mistreated and abused by the Israelis to gain her sympathy. He simply wanted to go to America as a citizen to live off an American woman or system like he did there. He hated America and Israel, was public about it, and that's just one reason why he couldn't go to Israel to get good work.

Totally wild situation and relationship between Hamas and Palestinians, not dissimilar to the relationship of many Africa Americans to the Democrat party here in the states. They vote for their authority and are crushed by their policies, while blaming Israel for what their leaders are doing to them.

Do I think a Palestinian state is necessary? No. Do I think an Israeli state is necessary? No.
It doest matter what I think, though.

What matters is that the Palestinians will not allow peace as long as Israel exists, and Israel is too dependent on foreign influence and money to not allow a Palestinian territory to exist (otherwise they would have to support an entire Palestinian welfare state on their own, and that is unsustainable).
 
Hey Girth - not directed at you - i sometimes just grab an adjacent post to ask a generalised question

I guess that can be a little confusing
I will read through your ideas more closely a little later & see what you suggested there

Looks like you put a lot of thought into it

The attention of the world will be increasingly drawn to that area IMO -
 
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I'm tired of "considering" what "Palestinians" might or might not like.

With respect to US interests in the middle east, we only have ONE true ally. That ally is Israel.

So, we go all in to support/help them, because they support/help us.

It isn't that difficult. You want stability and relative peace over there? You make the price for stepping out of line SO steep, that your enemies are terrified to act.

Problem solved. Anything else I can help you all with?
 
I agree with the governance point.

But I don’t think you can overlook how bad Desantis campaign was. I don’t think a victory was guaranteed, and I think there was severe risk he’d fall into the Trump Trap and hire horrible Washington people for his administration based on his campaign.

Its definitely a risk but seems he hired good people around him to help run Florida.

The campaign situation is still odd to me. I lean towards the probable explanation being he really wasnt running to win because he didn't have Trump's blessing and he had no intention of leaving Florida mid term. I think he was running to keep his name in the mix for next cycle.
 
I'm not religious, but find it weird the following around kjv. Man would have written any version meaning its all flawed, thus believing that God has somehow preserved His word in an exacting manner that is 100% infallible in one particular version or another would be wrong. They ppl choose a version, claim that the version they have chosen is God’s only infallible word, and condemn all others as being of the devil. This leads to a cult-like mentality and very poor theology imo. Which i think you admitted yourself...youre under the impression the scripture must be ruthless or something as opposed to anything being "sugary sweet"...says who?

Let's just look at Genesis 1:1 for a right off the bat example.
"A land wherein thou shalt eat bread without scarceness, thou shalt not lack any thing in it; a land whose stones are iron, and out of whose hills thou mayest dig brass."

I'm sorry, how does one dig brass in hills it doesn't exist?

There's just a complete lack of care in the translation , not to mention how complex translation is, you're talking about translating words that dont perfectly match and may have a completely different meaning based on the area or context they are used. It's as simple as me saying "wow that's really cool" and translating it to another language thinking im saying "im surprised the temperature is low"

Here's another:
Deuteronomy 33:17

Lol it literally says unicorns, which of course don't exist. But even if the old English word speaks of a rhino or something else with one horn, the Hebrew word is singular – “unicorn.” And so, no matter what, the translation is wrong because a unicorn has only one horn.

These are of course innocent translation errors, but its caused tons of contradictions and improper story application throughout. I'm pretty sure anyone in scholarship says you SHOULD pull from various translations and not a single source. Not to mention the kjv of today isn't even the 1611 version.

Anyway, I know how this goes...not an attack on your faith. Carry on.
You hit on the exact reason many are unbelievers with this post. Flawed translations I believe have given the wrong messages throughout the Bible.
 
It's hard to get a good read on the polls at this point because they are all over the place (and based on the 2020 polling errors they are not to be trusted anyway) but I feel like the immigration and hurricane response issues are creating some late momentum for the Trump campaign.
Man, I would flush ten $100 bills down the toilet with my wife watching if Trump is the next President. However, I just can’t let myself believe that with the cheating, illegals voting, and ABORTION being pushed by the democrats, that Trump will be #47.
Look what happened in the 2022 mid terms.

Hope I am wrong. Just don’t underestimate the power of evil. Praying Gods will is for evil to be defeated.
 
Man, I would flush ten $100 bills down the toilet with my wife watching if Trump is the next President. However, I just can’t let myself believe that with the cheating, illegals voting, and ABORTION being pushed by the democrats, that Trump will be #47.
Look what happened in the 2022 mid terms.

Hope I am wrong. Just don’t underestimate the power of evil. Praying Gods will is for evil to be defeated.
Does The power of evil make trump phuck hookers while married, stiff contractors, file bankruptcy 7 times, lie, cheat, steal and brag his ass off????
 
Fake News.
You are such a troll. Do you post The View fact checking themselves, and hold that up as a source? Clown.
 
You are such a troll. Do you post The View fact checking themselves, and hold that up as a source? Clown.
Tin foil hat activated. Only tuned into channel Trump. Bet you can't wait till Trump opens up a compound in Guyana where you all can get away from the bad people in the government and media telling lies about Dear Leader. Heard the bar down there serves some tasty Kool Aid.
 
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