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How will they rule ??!

  • YES - Qualified

    Votes: 41 82.0%
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    Votes: 9 18.0%

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This isn't what democratic leaders do in a functioning society.... This is what dictators and oligarchs do in totalitarian regimes.



https://www.cbsnews.com/news/congress-security-omnibus-spending-bill-capitol/

The legislation, which spans 4,155 pages, includes direction to the Senate Sergeant at Arms to create a "residential security system program" to protect senators in their home states and towns. According to the legislation, "The program is focused on assisting in mitigating increased risks to the physical security of senators' residences both in the District of Columbia and in their home states. The agreement provides a total of $2,500,000 to be available until expended for the development and administration of a residential security system program." There's been growing concern about the well-being of senators and House members when they're outside the dome of security of U.S. Capitol Police on the Capitol grounds.

The spending bill also includes million of dollars to bolster House member security, including what appears to be a response to the attack against House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's husband Paul Pelosi in California.

Congressional staffers told CBS News there's also a pressing need to increase protection for members of Congress who travel through the Washington, D.C.-area, including Virginia and Maryland, while outside of the protection of U.S. Capitol Police. In 2017, a gunman went on a shooting spree at a baseball practice in Virginia that wounded House Republican Whip Steve Scalise of Louisiana.


Weird that they acted because a left-wing illegal immigrant attacked Paul but not when a left-wing Bernie bro attacked a bunch of pubs.
 
If this thread and rallies are your metrics for political support you’ll have a woefully distorted picture. I would never dream of attending a Biden rally. Bleh. But I did vote for him.
I don’t go to rally’s of any kind regardless who is speaking but it still shows the level of support for each party. Sorry but I’m not convinced that half this country are as stupid as you are, if they are then we deserve every ****ing thing that is happening to us.
 
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Remember, Dion says that Pence didn’t have the authority to find re-approval for illegal electors. But the new globalist bill makes it illegal for the VP to question the presidential election. Liars lie. Dion=Dishonesty

Bill Derrington called Dion out on that lie. And Dion still stands as a liar on the Russian hoax and the electors.
What does any of this mean? “find re-approval for illegal electors.” Which electors are you calling illegal? Trump’s? Or the ones that got counted to make Biden president? And it’s never been legal for the VP to question the election. Their role is purely ceremonial. Objections must be raised in writing by one House member and one joining Senate member.
 


Diversity, Equity and Inclusion language has increased “exponentially” over the past several years in STEM, according to a quantitative study from the National Association of Scholars, which argued in releasing its findings that the trend “promises to do great intellectual and economic damage.

There is a conversion from seeking truth to forwarding political objectives.
 


This is why the propaganda is pushing Zelenskiy and Ukraine soooo hard. They know that most people will just go along and they keep escalating a bit at a time until we just have to send 150000 troops to Europe to fight. We need to keep speaking out on this or the idiots and cowards will get their way.
We are not sending boots on the ground to Ukraine. Neither the US nor broader NATO are having an open war with Russia. You are wrong.
 
What does any of this mean? “find re-approval for illegal electors.” Which electors are you calling illegal? Trump’s? Or the ones that got counted to make Biden president? And it’s never been legal for the VP to question the election. Their role is purely ceremonial. Objections must be raised in writing by one House member and one joining Senate member.
Then why did they add the part to take out the VP’s presence in the new omnibus bill? Care to answer that. I know you only answer questions that you can provide lies to.
 
What does any of this mean? “find re-approval for illegal electors.” Which electors are you calling illegal? Trump’s? Or the ones that got counted to make Biden president? And it’s never been legal for the VP to question the election. Their role is purely ceremonial. Objections must be raised in writing by one House member and one joining Senate member.
No shit, that’s exactly what was happening.
The narrative is that Trump wanted Pence to just put a halt to the count or say he won, that wasn’t the case.
The VP role is not ceremonial, the congress raises objections and presents evidence that there was shenanigans. The VP as the chair of the hearing can adjourn it. In no way shape or form is it ceremonial, it’s why there’s alternate ways to elect a President.
The riot started at exactly the moment the evidence was being presented…conveniently.

Furthermore, what was just passed in no way changes what can happen. The Constitition lays it out, abd can only be changed with an amendment.
 
No shit, that’s exactly what was happening.
The narrative is that Trump wanted Pence to just put a halt to the count or say he won, that wasn’t the case.
The VP role is not ceremonial, the congress raises objections and presents evidence that there was shenanigans. The VP as the chair of the hearing can adjourn it. In no way shape or form is it ceremonial, it’s why there’s alternate ways to elect a President.
The riot started at exactly the moment the evidence was being presented…conveniently.

Furthermore, what was just passed in no way changes what can happen. The Constitition lays it out, abd can only be changed with an amendment.
Amazing how Mike Pence did not get subpoenaed by the Jan 6th committee nor raided by the FBI.
 
No shit, that’s exactly what was happening.
The narrative is that Trump wanted Pence to just put a halt to the count or say he won, that wasn’t the case.
The VP role is not ceremonial, the congress raises objections and presents evidence that there was shenanigans. The VP as the chair of the hearing can adjourn it. In no way shape or form is it ceremonial, it’s why there’s alternate ways to elect a President.
The riot started at exactly the moment the evidence was being presented…conveniently.

Furthermore, what was just passed in no way changes what can happen. The Constitition lays it out, abd can only be changed with an amendment.


It’s hilarious because unlike the Dem cheaters, Trump’s lawyers signaled their intentions and openly laid out their plan in advance.


Nothing was being done in secret.


But two years later, the lib crazies come out and blather on and on about the plan as if it was something nefarious.


And those of us who followed it all along just nod and say, “yes, that was the plan.”


You want proof that the plan was a good one? The deep state stirred up a “riot” to stop the proceedings. Pelosi even had a film crew there.
 
It’s hilarious because unlike the Dem cheaters, Trump’s lawyers signaled their intentions and openly laid out their plan in advance.


Nothing was being done in secret.


But two years later, the lib crazies come out and blather on and on about the plan as if it was something nefarious.


And those of us who followed it all along just nod and say, “yes, that was the plan.”


You want proof that the plan was a good one? The deep state stirred up a “riot” to stop the proceedings. Pelosi even had a film crew there.
It’s crazy, they were following the Constitition on what to do. Now you’ve got Jamie Raskin stating the electoral college is a threat to Democracy, lol.
 
Then why did they add the part to take out the VP’s presence in the new omnibus bill? Care to answer that. I know you only answer questions that you can provide lies to.
To remove any ambiguity. The Electoral Count Act uses legally imprecise language by our modern standards. The applicable rules for Electoral counting are in one 275 word sentence for crying out loud. Here it is:

“If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State.”

Nowhere in that does it give the VP power to act unilaterally. Here’s the text of the entire thing if you want to read it for yourself.
 
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To remove any ambiguity. The Electoral Count Act uses legally imprecise language by our modern standards. The applicable rules for Electoral counting are in one 275 word sentence for crying out loud. Here it is:

“If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State.”

Nowhere in that does it give the VP power to act unilaterally. Here’s the text of the entire thing if you want to read it for yourself.
I have already read it. You are lying again. Do you need that one guy to drive by and give your lies some type of legitimacy? Just @ him lol

Pence had every power to dispute a fraud election. He didn’t. His reward for the fraud. Book deal and no FBI raids
 
To remove any ambiguity. The Electoral Count Act uses legally imprecise language by our modern standards. The applicable rules for Electoral counting are in one 275 word sentence for crying out loud. Here it is:

“If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State.”

Nowhere in that does it give the VP power to act unilaterally. Here’s the text of the entire thing if you want to read it for yourself.
No one wanted him to act unilaterally, that’s the narrative being pushed.
 
No shit, that’s exactly what was happening.
The narrative is that Trump wanted Pence to just put a halt to the count or say he won, that wasn’t the case.
The VP role is not ceremonial, the congress raises objections and presents evidence that there was shenanigans. The VP as the chair of the hearing can adjourn it. In no way shape or form is it ceremonial, it’s why there’s alternate ways to elect a President.
The riot started at exactly the moment the evidence was being presented…conveniently.

Furthermore, what was just passed in no way changes what can happen. The Constitition lays it out, abd can only be changed with an amendment.
Ok so none of this is correct. The VP has no power to do anything except what he is instructed to in the Electoral Count Act. There is no constitutional mechanism for objecting either, the one House and Senate member part is in that Electoral Count Act, not the Constitution. The new omnibus piece clarifies that Act, which doesn’t require an amendment.
 
I never said he should’ve been convicted by the law. I’ve said he’s a piece of shit who deserves to be. Sadly in America it’s legal to take an AR to a protest looking to shoot people. I challenge you to find a single post of mine opining he’d be found guilty.
Was it ok for the convicted felon who illegally had a gun also that Rittenhouse defended himself from? Was it ok for him to have a gun? You think he actually went up there to intentionally kill people?
 
Ok so none of this is correct. The VP has no power to do anything except what he is instructed to in the Electoral Count Act. There is no constitutional mechanism for objecting either, the one House and Senate member part is in that Electoral Count Act, not the Constitution. The new omnibus piece clarifies that Act, which doesn’t require an amendment.
Neither of those over rule the Constitution. They just don’t, without a Constitutional ammendment the SCOTUS would rule in favor of the Constitution every time.
The VP as chair can rule to adjourn or delay, to think they couldn’t is absurd. Hell, the Democrats had just shat all over the Constitution by filing lawsuits that ignored state laws on voting. The Constitution lays they out with no ambiguity, yet lo and behold they bypassed that hurdle.
 
That was specifically the plan, as laid out in the Eastman memos by Trump’s lawyer, John Eastman himself.
No it wasn’t, they had alternate electors, which is perfectly legal if contested States original votes were cast out.
Again, that was after the evidence had been presented in both houses and they had voted on them, again, perfectly legal.
 
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