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How will they rule ??!

  • YES - Qualified

    Votes: 41 82.0%
  • NO - Disqualified

    Votes: 9 18.0%

  • Total voters
    50
  • Poll closed .
Just once I would like for one of these idiots to explain just what "democracy" we are anti? (We are a Constitutional Republic by the way and pretty sure your opponent, whoever he is, is pro-constitution)
All they have are lies. They are the party of deceit. Everything requires controlled info, fabricated smears and lies by their media, pit people against each other. Their base is as low info as one can get. They do not hear anything different. They run to the DNC media to be reaffirmed of their beliefs and get a shallow talking point to drop with a clown/laughing emoji and then wonder off before they get destroyed by simple logic.

They control the media. They control academia. They control tech. All three of these do everything they can to protect Democrats and silence/omit anything that hurts their BS narrative. It’s why you don’t see conservatives shutting down speeches on campus but lefties always do.

But you can’t be honest that you’re little fascist foot soldiers trying to silence any opposition to your dogma so they make insane claims like “Dog whistles to attack people of color” “anti democracy” “Nazi.”

Trying to have full transparency about voting is fought tooth and nail by the left. They don’t want any of that audited which is why they call everything Jim Crow. Wanting to stop them from bogus votes is “anti democracy.” Not wanting to kill a baby cause it’s inconvenient is “anti choice”, now not wanting to get a medical experiment is “anti vax” 😂

We have to realize their brains do not work like a logical mind should. It works like a cult and no one practices projection quite like a leftist. Always accuse others of what you do. Salinsky style.
 
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Blacks owned slaves.
Free black owned them at a higher percentage rate that free whites. Indigenous peoples were huge slave holders as well. Enough that free black citizens created regiments to fight for the confederacy. History also seems to forget that when ships with slaves arrived they included Africans who weren’t slaves who came on their own free will to the new world as well.
 
I continue to wonder why so many of you give these trolls the time and day. I simply put them on ignore and go about my business. It's painless and I promise you will not miss them.

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Damn what a little b-tch...


A government who is openly hostile to a group of people and uses government agencies to target them is upset because said people want to protect themselves? Hmmm

It’s not like world history isn’t filled with government’s attacking their own citizens. Even in this country, we’ve used people as lab rats. In 1950, the US released a bioweapon in San Francisco (one of hundreds of these types of things).
 
I just want to clear something up Low. The vaccines don’t prevent Covid. That’s not what I am operating under. I never thought that and I never said that.

I believe they prevent severe illness once you get it, if you get it. That’s all I am saying. Let’s prevent deaths and hospitalizations together.
It takes serious statistical gymnastics for any organization to quantify that. Considering hospitalizations period, not deaths, only accounted for 1% of people infected with Covid in the first place, and X% of those vaccinated already recovered from Covid, there is no way to know the extend the vaccine prevents issues in people who have yet to have covid.

This statement from the CDC website contradicts itself.

“There is some evidence that vaccination may make illness less severe in people who get vaccinated but still get sick. Despite this, some fully vaccinated people will still be hospitalized and die. However, fully vaccinated people are much less likely to be hospitalized or die than people with similar risk factors who are not vaccinated.”

There is “some” evidence the illness will be less severe but then turns around and says “much less likely”. There is not enough data available to make his statement, but yet they do. If you want to get the vaccine, great. But don’t act like others who haven’t are for sure causing issues.
 
It takes serious statistical gymnastics for any organization to quantify that. Considering hospitalizations period, not deaths, only accounted for 1% of people infected with Covid in the first place, and X% of those vaccinated already recovered from Covid, there is no way to know the extend the vaccine prevents issues in people who have yet to have covid.

This statement from the CDC website contradicts itself.

“There is some evidence that vaccination may make illness less severe in people who get vaccinated but still get sick. Despite this, some fully vaccinated people will still be hospitalized and die. However, fully vaccinated people are much less likely to be hospitalized or die than people with similar risk factors who are not vaccinated.”

There is “some” evidence the illness will be less severe but then turns around and says “much less likely”. There is not enough data available to make his statement, but yet they do. If you want to get the vaccine, great. But don’t act like others who haven’t are for sure causing issues.

agreed. The only thing that I have says is that I think there is enough data that out public officials should be recommending it. I do think it is irresponsible for anyone to get out in front of the public to convince people NOT to take it. I believe I previously posted data showing a correlation between vaccinated and unvaccinated being hospitalized with Covid. I can post it again when I find it.

does anyone believe that we would be better off if we did simply carry on with our normal lives without any restrictions and without any vaccines?
 
A government who is openly hostile to a group of people and uses government agencies to target them is upset because said people want to protect themselves? Hmmm

It’s not like world history isn’t filled with government’s attacking their own citizens. Even in this country, we’ve used people as lab rats. In 1950, the US released a bioweapon in San Francisco (one of hundreds of these types of things).
Perfect scumbag to lead Biden's ATF.

Or should I say Oblama's & Valerie Jarrett's ATF.
 
agreed. The only thing that I have says is that I think there is enough data that out public officials should be recommending it. I do think it is irresponsible for anyone to get out in front of the public to convince people NOT to take it. I believe I previously posted data showing a correlation between vaccinated and unvaccinated being hospitalized with Covid. I can post it again when I find it.

does anyone believe that we would be better off if we did simply carry on with our normal lives without any restrictions and without any vaccines?
Depends. We managed to eradicate polio with a vaccine while also NOT locking down the country. Also, AND AGAIN, this ISN'T a vaccine. It HASN'T gone through human trials and was NOT FDA approved. It's an experimental, painful, dangerous shot the long term effects of which are unknown to the general public. AND given the news today about Pfizer recalling Chantix, AND the news last week about J&J, BOTH of which were building carcinogens into their products, AND the news about Pfizer experimenting on children, there IS justification aplenty to stand on rooftops and SCREAM not to take the vaccine and be TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE.
 
Depends. We managed to eradicate polio with a vaccine while also NOT locking down the country. Also, AND AGAIN, this ISN'T a vaccine. It HASN'T gone through human trials and was NOT FDA approved. It's an experimental, painful, dangerous shot the long term effects of which are unknown to the general public. AND given the news today about Pfizer recalling Chantix, AND the news last week about J&J, BOTH of which were building carcinogens into their products, AND the news about Pfizer experimenting on children, there IS justification aplenty to stand on rooftops and SCREAM not to take the vaccine and be TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE.

Low, I don’t know man. I try to have an open mind about things but the data. The data is pretty substantial at this point, no? You would really recommend that NOBODY take it? Has any country or area done that and it turn out well? The numbers seem bad in places where the vaccination rates are lowest. We aren’t just talking about the United States. I don’t know Low. I can’t in good conscience go with that. Are you certain? If you were a leader in any government right now, you would really take that stance with your people?
 
Free black owned them at a higher percentage rate that free whites. Indigenous peoples were huge slave holders as well. Enough that free black citizens created regiments to fight for the confederacy. History also seems to forget that when ships with slaves arrived they included Africans who weren’t slaves who came on their own free will to the new world as well.
Regardless of percentages, "free" blacks owned 20K slaves of 4M or 0.5% around 1860. What makes the free blacks % so high is the minimal number of free blacks, not the large number of slaves they owned Also, whites in the North of course couldn't own any slaves, making whatever the black % was to be relatively higher than was truly possible for all USA whites. In slave states, like 20% of whites owned slave(s). And were those slave-owning blacks "free"; i.e., could they vote/serve on juries/hold office? Don't know.
 
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Low, I don’t know man. I try to have an open mind about things but the data. The data is pretty substantial at this point, no? You would really recommend that NOBODY take it? Has any country or area done that and it turn out well? The numbers seem bad in places where the vaccination rates are lowest. We aren’t just talking about the United States. I don’t know Low. I can’t in good conscience go with that. Are you certain? If you were a leader in any government right now, you would really take that stance with your people?
I'm suggesting that YOUR position that it's IRRESPONSIBLE to discourage people from taking an untested, unapproved shot made by companies with questionable morals, that is already killing people, is in error. You can try to argue straw men all day.

I'm not a government leader so I'm not going to hypothesize what I would or would not do. And by the way, you wouldn't like it much if I was the President, for a multitude of reasons. Let's just say, if your stomach turned over Trump's tweets I'd probably turn it inside out.
 
It takes serious statistical gymnastics for any organization to quantify that. Considering hospitalizations period, not deaths, only accounted for 1% of people infected with Covid in the first place, and X% of those vaccinated already recovered from Covid, there is no way to know the extend the vaccine prevents issues in people who have yet to have covid.

This statement from the CDC website contradicts itself.

“There is some evidence that vaccination may make illness less severe in people who get vaccinated but still get sick. Despite this, some fully vaccinated people will still be hospitalized and die. However, fully vaccinated people are much less likely to be hospitalized or die than people with similar risk factors who are not vaccinated.”

There is “some” evidence the illness will be less severe but then turns around and says “much less likely”. There is not enough data available to make his statement, but yet they do. If you want to get the vaccine, great. But don’t act like others who haven’t are for sure causing issues.
97% of people entering hospitals as of July 16 with covid are unvaxxed with half of all people fully vaxxed and another 5% partially vaxxed, and 15% too young to vax & who don't go to hospital with it anyway. If vaxxing wasn't doing anything, I'd expect 100%-55%-15% = 30%/100%-15% = 30%/85% = 35% of hospital admissions to be of unvaxxed people. I find 97% vs. 35% compelling to say the vaxes do something +.
 
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Yea. I doubt I watch much of it, either. Too much wokeness for my taste. May watch swimming. Don’t think any of them have gone woke.
If they do they should take a knee at the bottom of the pool for about 5 minutes. That should cover the playing of the National Anthem and give them a little extra time of wokeness to make sure to get the point across.
 
I'm suggesting that YOUR position that it's IRRESPONSIBLE to discourage people from taking an untested, unapproved shot made by companies with questionable morals, that is already killing people, is in error. You can try to argue straw men all day.

I'm not a government leader so I'm not going to hypothesize what I would or would not do. And by the way, you wouldn't like it much if I was the President, for a multitude of reasons. Let's just say, if your stomach turned over Trump's tweets I'd probably turn it inside out.
I agree with Trump in recommending vaccination, not Biden & Harris who said they didn't trust it.
 
Regardless of percentages, "free" blacks owned 20K slaves of 4M or 0.5% around 1860. What makes the free blacks % so high is the minimal number of free blacks, not the large number of slaves they owned Also, whites in the North of course couldn't own any slaves, making whatever the black % was to be relatively higher than was truly possible for all USA whites. In slave states, like 20% of whites owned slave(s). And were those slave-owning blacks "free"; i.e., could they vote/serve on juries/hold office? Don't know.
That’s not the point I was getting at. The point was that at that time in the world, slavery was the norm. It wasn’t a pure “let’s enslave all the African because of their skin color” like it’s portrayed in most educational standards. Slavery was the norm if you could afford to own one. It didn’t matter if you were a colonist, free African American, Native American, English citizen, African, or Middle Easterner. The only reason there weren’t more African slave owners than what there were is due to the fact that there were less blacks able to own them. Slavery in the US took people who were already slaves, or POWs that would have been otherwise killed and used them as a commodity. While that doesn’t make it any better, because enslavement of anyone is morally apprehensible and one of the darkest aspects of all civilization, it’s still important to realize the context in which it was used in the world when talking about it. There are more slaves today still than any point in time.
 
Wasn't near as easily transmittable.
The government has been pushing a LIE that covid is transmitted asymptomatically. That is just false. And it inflates the 'transmittability' of this virus to be greater than the flu. Not to mention how much they've inflated the so-called 'deadliness' of this virus. Everything they tell us is a lie, so why should we trust them?
 
agreed. The only thing that I have says is that I think there is enough data that out public officials should be recommending it. I do think it is irresponsible for anyone to get out in front of the public to convince people NOT to take it. I believe I previously posted data showing a correlation between vaccinated and unvaccinated being hospitalized with Covid. I can post it again when I find it.

does anyone believe that we would be better off if we did simply carry on with our normal lives without any restrictions and without any vaccines?
My issue is t the recommendation of vaccination. My issue is elected leaders standing in front of cameras saying our pandemic is a pandemic of unvaccination and blaming those who aren’t when there’s zero proof of it. And honestly, no, we have no idea what would have happened if things were let be whether it was for better of worse. Just like we don’t know what it means for the future. It’s an unknown.
 
The government has been pushing a LIE that covid is transmitted asymptomatically. That is just false. And it inflates the 'transmittability' of this virus to be greater than the flu. Not to mention how much they've inflated the so-called 'deadliness' of this virus. Everything they tell us is a lie, so why should we trust them?
Dammit. I thought you had me on ignore. PMO to find out otherwise.

Everything you write doesn't change that flu/covid transmissions thru air are easier than polio transmission through water, the point I made.

But rant on to your delight!
 
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