POLITICAL THREAD

[Bill Derington]

And the only thing Trump did was to get in a few of his campaign trail jabs that would play to his supporters but absolutely no one else.
Did he appear presidential? Absolutely not. He came off as the crass nutcase that he has proven to be.
We should align with Russia and Assad in Syria?
Trump probably couldn't find Syria on a map and definitely could not explain in the simplist terms the issues confounding the region. Yet he knows more than the generals.
It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

What he said was we should've aligned with them in fighting ISIS, which was a real opportunity at one time.
However, as he correctly stated, that point has passed and Syria is lost to American influence.

Trump did the same thing in this debate that Hillary did in the last one, got dirty.
She didn't win the first debate on policy, she won it because she brought up Miss Universe and Trump went on about it. She can't run on policy or achievement.
Trump nailed her and Blumenthal on the birthed movement, and on calling Blumenthal for advice while Benghazi was happening.

He told everyone right after the last debate that since Hillary went dirty the gloves were coming off, nice to know one of the nominees is good on their word.

The Dems are in full spin mode today, that's how we know he won. Trying to keep the recording at the forefront. Saying there's more to come. Well, they better hope there is, because if that's all they had then Hillary is outgunned.

 

[ymmot31]

We were within one word of quoting the exact same sentence fragment.

When stupid sticks out like that just waiting to be whacked... well it gets whacked.

Exactly dumbass. You seem to think that he's still operating all these years later on the money his father gave him. Where have the Clintons earned their money? What is the main source of their riches?

 

[WayneDougan]

When you write stuff like this, do you think it makes us white guys more likely to agree with you or less likely?

It's been my experience that the people on the left hate upper class white guys. You know they're not going to be reasonable, right? They're coming after your money. This SJW stuff isn't going to stop until a HUGE chunk of your paycheck is going directly to them.

 

[Ron Mehico]

I admittedly only caught the last 15 minutes of the VP debate and that was the last 10 minutes Pence closed with and my eyes almost rolled into the back of my head. I mean still? Still people are talking about that? Is it 1975 still?

Either way I'll probably still vote republican for everything (I'm just having a hard time pulling the trigger on Trump and may honestly just leave the president part blank) because of money and in my stage of life (pregnant wife and beginning my career) money is pretty damn important to me, but I would feel a lot better about it if the republicans were more progressive. I feel like they are the party for the old religious people that shake their fists at rap music. If they would be a little more modern and progressive with some of their things they would be steamrolling elections left and right. The actual financial policies of democrats are god-awful but they get the minorities and younger crowd with their social policies.

 

[fuzz77]

Wow....

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Nice that they cropped out the part that gave context to what was highlighted.

 

[mailman85]

I don't want government regulating so many things financially and taxing the crap out of people (so I don't like democrats) but I don't want government getting into peoples business and trying to tell them how to live their life (so I don't like republicans). Just wish there was another party or someone moderate or something. Damn.

Ehh, sounds like you are a Libertarian....Gary Johnson will be on the ballot.

 

[fuzz77]

It's been my experience that the people on the left hate upper class white guys. You know they're not going to be reasonable, right? They're coming after your money. This SJW stuff isn't going to stop until a HUGE chunk of your paycheck is going directly to them.

Yeah, Warren Buffet and Bill Gates hate upper class white guys.
Can anything more stupid be said?

 

[ymmot31]

I admittedly only caught the last 15 minutes of the VP debate and that was the last 10 minutes Pence closed with and my eyes almost rolled into the back of my head. I mean still? Still people are talking about that? Is it 1975 still?

Either way I'll probably still vote republican for everything (I'm just having a hard time pulling the trigger on Trump and may honestly just leave the president part blank) because of money and in my stage of life (pregnant wife and beginning my career) money is pretty damn important to me, but I would feel a lot better about it if the republicans were more progressive. I feel like they are the party for the old religious people that shake their fists at rap music. If they would be a little more modern and progressive with some of their things they would be steamrolling elections left and right. The actual financial policies of democrats are god-awful but they get the minorities and younger crowd with their social policies.

Then you missed what led to the talk of abortion. They were asked about the death penalty. Both said that despite their religion they followed the laws of their states.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

The Dems are in full spin mode today, that's how we know he won.

No, we know Hillary won because Trump didn't complete a single tangible thought on any relevant policy in the entire global spectrum. It is embarrassing to me that this man is up on that stage. I don't have to agree with anyone. Hell, Ted Cruz is a million times scarier to me than Trump is, yet Cruz can form a logical thought and convey it in an understandable sentence structure. I might disagree with him and hate the very air he breathes but it's not that he is an utter moron unfit even at the most basic level to serve.

Trump is not qualified to be president. Even this far into the process he is unable to convey an understanding of the issues at even a superficial level. He falls completely apart when pressed on ANY issue.

 

[CatsFanGG24]

Yeah, Warren Buffet and Bill Gates hate upper class white guys.
Can anything more stupid be said?

Check and verify?

 

[qwesley]

Nice that they cropped out the part that gave context to what was highlighted.

Naturally a Kasich supporter would be so committed to defending HRC.

 

[ymmot31]

No, we know Hillary won because Trump didn't complete a single tangible thought on any relevant policy in the entire global spectrum. It is embarrassing to me that this man is up on that stage. I don't have to agree with anyone. Hell, Ted Cruz is a million times scarier to me than Trump is, yet Cruz can form a logical thought and convey it in an understandable sentence structure. I might disagree with him and hate the very air he breathes but it's not that he is an utter moron unfit even at the most basic level to serve.

Trump is not qualified to be president. Even this far into the process he is unable to convey an understanding of the issues at even a superficial level. He falls completely apart when pressed on ANY issue.

Trump won. Your protestations prove it. Thanks for the confirmation.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

I want this to be a debate question for Trump:

Explain one problem this country is facing in detail, then describe what the current policy is that is failing and how your new proposed policy would solve it.

Any subject. Anything. Just talk about one thing you understand in detail that you can describe without sounding like a complete dumbass.

And you know what, he wouldn't be able to do it.

 

[ymmot31]

Ask that same question to the coont.

 

[fuzz77]

Trump nailed her and Blumenthal on the birthed movement, and on calling Blumenthal for advice while Benghazi was happening.

His problem with this line of reasoning is even if what he said was 100% true Blumenthal and HRC dropped the issue nearly as fast as they brought it up whereas Trump has used it to feed his racist base that wanted to believe it all. Trump was delivered that long form birth certificate over 5 years ago yet he still made comments and public statements suggesting that Obama was not a natural born US citizen. Any way you want to slice and dice it, that is dishonest and it played those people for fools.

 

[jamo0001]

I admittedly only caught the last 15 minutes of the VP debate and that was the last 10 minutes Pence closed with and my eyes almost rolled into the back of my head. I mean still? Still people are talking about that? Is it 1975 still?

Either way I'll probably still vote republican for everything (I'm just having a hard time pulling the trigger on Trump and may honestly just leave the president part blank) because of money and in my stage of life (pregnant wife and beginning my career) money is pretty damn important to me, but I would feel a lot better about it if the republicans were more progressive. I feel like they are the party for the old religious people that shake their fists at rap music. If they would be a little more modern and progressive with some of their things they would be steamrolling elections left and right. The actual financial policies of democrats are god-awful but they get the minorities and younger crowd with their social policies.

A Cruz strategist had a beautiful quote about that point, but this thread would self-immolate if I posted it.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

Some guy on CNN perfectly mocked the "Trump won" crowd by saying "well a piano didn't fall on his head so I guess he won" which is perfect. Saturday morning cartoon level. That's where we're at.

 

[Bill Derington]

No, we know Hillary won because Trump didn't complete a single tangible thought on any relevant policy in the entire global spectrum. It is embarrassing to me that this man is up on that stage. I don't have to agree with anyone. Hell, Ted Cruz is a million times scarier to me than Trump is, yet Cruz can form a logical thought and convey it in an understandable sentence structure. I might disagree with him and hate the very air he breathes but it's not that he is an utter moron unfit even at the most basic level to serve.

Trump is not qualified to be president. Even this far into the process he is unable to convey an understanding of the issues at even a superficial level. He falls completely apart when pressed on ANY issue.

Lol, What policy did Hillary correlate last night? Go to my website is not a policy.

She contradicts herself on Russia, they were fine to use in negotiations with Iran, but in everything else they're awful?

You say Trump isn't qualified to hold office, but Hillary is? She held no regard at all for security in order to cover her ass. That alone should disqualify her, oh but there's so much more. Like I wrote, you guys better hope there's something more than that recording, because that's literally all she has.

 

[Bill Derington]

His problem with this line of reasoning is even if what he said was 100% true Blumenthal and HRC dropped the issue nearly as fast as they brought it up whereas Trump has used it to feed his racist base that wanted to believe it all. Trump was delivered that long form birth certificate over 5 years ago yet he still made comments and public statements suggesting that Obama was not a natural born US citizen. Any way you want to slice and dice it, that is dishonest and it played those people for fools.

She dropped it when she lost, and it is 100% proven.
So you're going to hold Trump to a different standard than Hillary? Lying about the emails isn't dishonest and playing people for fools?
Or do you know she lied and simply don't care that she didn't care about the security of the State dept?

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

Bill, at a basic level when an issue comes before the president... Trump will not understand it. Somebody will have to explain every detail to him which massively subjects him to manipulation.

At a minimum level the most basic job of the president is to understand the issues facing the country. Trump, nearly two years into this, still knows virtually nothing on any policy at any depth.

That is disqualifying. Seriously. We need to establish a seriousness about this process that eliminates the Trumps of the world.

I have a fantastic policy idea and I want to take credit for and should be implemented immediately and we'll call it Trump's law:

All candidates for president of the United States must first submit their applications for a TOP SECRET/SSBI security clearance. No candidate that fails to secure this clearance will be permitted to run in any primary on an official state ballot.

 

[Bill Derington]

Bill, at a basic level when an issue comes before the president... Trump will not understand it. Somebody will have to explain every detail to him which massively subjects him to manipulation.

At a minimum level the most basic job of the president is to understand the issues facing the country. Trump, nearly two years into this, still knows virtually nothing on any policy at any depth.

That is disqualifying. Seriously. We need to establish a seriousness about this process that eliminates the Trumps of the world.

I have a fantastic policy idea and I want to take credit for and should be implemented immediately and we'll call it Trump's law:

All candidates for president of the United States must first submit their applications for a TOP SECRET/SSBI security clearance. No candidate that fails to secure this clearance will be permitted to run in any primary on an official state ballot.

By your requirements Hillary is immediately disqualified.

 

[OneBigCat]

It's been my experience that the people on the left hate upper class white guys. You know they're not going to be reasonable, right? They're coming after your money. This SJW stuff isn't going to stop until a HUGE chunk of your paycheck is going directly to them.

 

[Bill Derington]

What are the odds that someone didn't hack her server? They hacked every one around her apparently.
Think that might lead to manipulation too?

What about if nations paid the Clinton foundation for her help while SOS? Think that would lead to manipulation?

I'll bet Trump understanding policy is more likely than Hillary not being compromised.

 

[ymmot31]

Bill, at a basic level when an issue comes before the president... Trump will not understand it. Somebody will have to explain every detail to him which massively subjects him to manipulation.

At a minimum level the most basic job of the president is to understand the issues facing the country. Trump, nearly two years into this, still knows virtually nothing on any policy at any depth.

That is disqualifying. Seriously. We need to establish a seriousness about this process that eliminates the Trumps of the world.

I have a fantastic policy idea and I want to take credit for and should be implemented immediately and we'll call it Trump's law:

All candidates for president of the United States must first submit their applications for a TOP SECRET/SSBI security clearance. No candidate that fails to secure this clearance will be permitted to run in any primary on an official state ballot.

What an incredibly stupid thing to say in the light of what Hillary did as SOS. Unless of course you don't believe her excuses. In that case just a regularly stupid thing to say, even for you.

 

[cardkilla]

Another Lincoln inspired public/private stance. Hillary is a skeptic of fracking in public, but said in a private speech that she promotes fracking all around the world.

She went to say in private that the enviromentists protesting weren't true to the cause, couldn't care less about fracking & were nothing more than paid Russian shills. This woman has been full on red scare mode for awhile.

Seems this stance is already starting to hurt her among environmentalists.

“Apparently, @HillaryClinton will help clean up world w/ renewable energy—right after she helps poison it w/ fracking,” Mediaite columnist and The Young Turks political reporter Jordan Chariton said.

She has preached the benefits of fracking for years. That's not some secret. Yeah, she said it needs better regulation and communities should decide if they want fracking or not. But she is not opposed to it.

Some of these liberal enviromentalists have no idea how all this natural gas has actually decreased need for coal, thus being cleaner for environment. Which is why Obama has made the most progress of any President in reducing carbon emissions without having to force everyone to bike to work or share commutes.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

I want this to be a debate question for Trump:

Explain one problem this country is facing in detail, then describe what the current policy is that is failing and how your new proposed policy would solve it.

Any subject. Anything. Just talk about one thing you understand in detail that you can describe without sounding like a complete dumbass.

And you know what, he wouldn't be able to do it.

Immigration, trade deals, abd the tax code are all things I've heard him talk about in great detail.

Not sure about hillary. Unless it's landing under sniper fire

 

[WildcatofNati]

I'm an upper class white guy. The GOP needs to cut the 1970's socially conservative evangelical christian crap and get with the times and attract younger more diverse voters. I would vote republican 100% if they didn't rest where they did on certain social issues that are stuck 20 years ago.

Well, here's the thing. Trump is not at all interested on these social issues. As a matter of fact, it's unlikely the GOP will ever again nominate a Presidential candidate who focuses on those issues. The evangelical voters themselves seem to accept this, as they consistently supported Trump in the primary.

 

[YourPublicEnemy]

I'm an upper class white guy. The GOP needs to cut the 1970's socially conservative evangelical christian crap and get with the times and attract younger more diverse voters. I would vote republican 100% if they didn't rest where they did on certain social issues that are stuck 20 years ago.

So it's okay for the left to vote and express how they feel and push the most insane ideology but the right should compromise their own conscience simply to win? That's how it always is, right? Dems never compromise and the right is always expected to.

No one is focusing on gay marriage BS nor do I see Trump quoting Bible verses at debates. What you want are things like to accept that trans nut jobs are totally normal, abortion is no big deal, Islam is just like anything else, whites should be self loathing and are to blame for everything and to let the U.S. embrace the third world.

It doesn't matter what the right says or doesn't say about social issues, the media and the left will always portray them as villains for not wanting to give handouts, believe in coddling minorities, wanting to take in refugees, for supporting cops and not wanting big government.

It's easy for Dems to be considered the "good guys" when they promise entitlments and act like Santa Claus with other people's money. Everything they touch turns to absolute garbage but because of our state run media, they constanty spin stories of BS to push victim narratives so they can act like they're the savior with the plan.

One good thing is, after 16 years of absolute garbage and failure from Obama and Hillary, who are Dems going to blame it on? Probably Bush.

 

[BlueManToo]

Surrounded by meth labs and sorting pills drove up from Orlando?

Rural American is drowning just like the rest of the country so don't pretend it isn't. Too many people know better and have family all over Eastern Kentucky so your post is fully called out as bullshit.

I've got a pretty good idea where folks in urban areas will head to if the SHTF and the city grocery shelves are empty, there's no place to grow a garden, and there's no wild edible game within 50 miles of this nation's concrete hell-holes. You are correct that rural areas are drowning, but when the SHTF, we'll all be drowning and it's literally "sink or swim" for your life. I like my chances of finding a way to survive off the land with my "backwards ways" and "evil guns"....as you alluded, rural folks have been drowning for quite some time, so we rednecks have become pretty strong "swimmers" out of necessity.

 

[YourPublicEnemy]

Immigration, trade deals, abd the tax code are all things I've heard him talk about in great detail.

Not sure about hillary. Unless it's landing under sniper fire

Hillary's campaign seems to be

- Accuse someone of racism, sexism, xenophobia, personally attack them, release a personal convo between guys over a decade old, pander to minorities' hatred of whites and promise to keep the gravy train rolling.

 

[Willy4UK]

Hillary's campaign seems to be

- Accuse someone of racism, sexism, xenophobia, personally attack them, release a personal convo between guys over a decade old, pander to minorities' hatred of whites and promise to keep the gravy train rolling.

Yet, the all those demographics and nothing to show that she will improve their lives. No better jobs, more reliance on the gov't. She hates gays. Supports medical drug price increase

I guess that's what is so perplexing about this. Hillary shits on her very own constituents and they look at her like a god.

I guess it's like the same feeling Rick James has when he walks into a room full ow women and calls them all "bitches" and then every single one of those women lays him.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Good to see another new carve out in the tax code for special interests. People like me who go pro in something other than sports get left holding the bag.

 

[mailman85]

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

I like my chances of finding a way to survive off the land with my "backwards ways" and "evil guns".

Yeah, I think as soon as the frozen TV dinners run out you'll be dead in 15 minutes but okay there, Turtleman.

 

[Willy4UK]

Good to see another new carve out in the tax code for special interests. People like me who go pro in something other than sports get left holding the bag.

If you're talking about the victory tax code. That's a Marco Rubio deal.

 

[warrior-cat]

Yeah, Warren Buffet and Bill Gates hate upper class white guys.
Can anything more stupid be said?

Yes, most of what you have posted today qualifies.

 

[Bill Cosby]

If you're talking about the victory tax code. That's a Marco Rubio deal.

Yep. There's a reason I didn't want that Mexican in the Oval office.

 

[the nail at the foul line]

Throwing filmmakers in jail because of trying to cover for terrorism is not third world? The lefts silence on that shows how phoney they are.

 

[warrior-cat]

I've got a pretty good idea where folks in urban areas will head to if the SHTF and the city grocery shelves are empty, there's no place to grow a garden, and there's no wild edible game within 50 miles of this nation's concrete hell-holes. You are correct that rural areas are drowning, but when the SHTF, we'll all be drowning and it's literally "sink or swim" for your life. I like my chances of finding a way to survive off the land with my "backwards ways" and "evil guns"....as you alluded, rural folks have been drowning for quite some time, so we rednecks have become pretty strong "swimmers" out of necessity.

We will be the ones to survive as they dwindle in numbers stealing from and killing each other.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

67th United States Secretary of State
In office
January 21, 2009 – February 1, 2013
President Barack Obama
Deputy Jim Steinberg
[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Joseph_Burns']Bill Burns[/URL]
Preceded by Condoleezza Rice
Succeeded by John Kerry
United States Senator​

from New York​

In office
January 3, 2001 – January 21, 2009
Preceded by Pat Moynihan
Succeeded by Kirsten Gillibrand
First Lady of the United States
In role
January 20, 1993 – January 20, 2001
President Bill Clinton
Preceded by Barbara Bush
Succeeded by Laura Bush
First Lady of Arkansas
In role
January 11, 1983 – December 12, 1992
Governor Bill Clinton
Preceded by Gay Daniels White
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January 9, 1979 – January 19, 1981
Governor Bill Clinton
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October 26, 1947 (age 68)
Chicago, Illinois, U.S.
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Spouse(s) Bill Clinton (m. 1975)
Children Chelsea
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[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yale_University']Yale University[/URL]
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