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Stockdale had an incredible resume. He was one of most highly decorated officers in the history of the Navy, Medal of Honor winner, shot down over Vietnam, and was the highest ranking member of the US military in captivity. But as you say his communication skills were not particularly impressive, and let's face it, he was no politician.
At least none of 'em got the ish beaten out of them & an eye plucked out on NY Day by mobsters....or his druggy brother, depending on the rumor you believe
For damn sure he didnt sustain that from "exercise elastic band". Otherwise he would be sueing the crap out of said manufacturer, as that is they kind of thing liberal Democrats believe in more than anyone.
You get the electorate, what you don't get are the folks that are putting up all the money to pay for the campaigns. They're all globalists and low wages and shipping jobs overseas to the lowest common denominator is great for Wall Street and investors. Thus the inexorable slide of the middle class into poverty by having US workers compete against slave labor while simultaneously creating tremendous wealth for the rich without them working a day in their life.
Our sovereignty is an obstacle that is being crushed and is probably already irreparably harmed. The globalists don't care what they are doing to the US workers as they feel no allegiance to anything other than money and profit. The world is their oyster. So what if the standard of living in the United States plummets for our children, they've got other markets to plunder where everyone doesn't have a car and a cellphone. Raise their standard of living and open up that new market. Perfect business sense if you care nothing for our country nor our people and what you are doing to them.
Crow is exactly right, that's why we have walkouts at fast food restaurants by the workers like we had today. Those people used to be the ones that worked in manufacturing jobs, but a large portion have been moved overseas. So what used to be an entry level job by kids earning gas money is now occupied by someone trying to provide for a family. I'm not saying they're right or wrong, just the way it is now.
Its a sad state of affairs, we want people off the govt teet, but we're not trying to solve the root problem.
Its a sad state of affairs, we want people off the govt teet, but we're not trying to solve the root problem.
The one reason most of manufacturing left was not wages alone. Too many costly regulations, EPA, OSHA,etc choke american industry. I can give you numerous examples of where either OSHA, EPA or both make American manufacturing not competitive with foreign manufacturing.
Add that with the Unions getting too strong of a hold and profits could not be maintained while keeping pricing competitive.
Manufacturing jobs have been disappearing since the 70s. and "Lord Crow" is actually Ziusudra-something under a new screen name. Lord Crow supports the party that has overseen the highest increase in wealth gap. The "big Dog" party. Democrats. Yet Dems are too stupid (or to narcissistic) to see that their own party has helped to destroy the Middle Class. But hey, let's keep making up bullshit in a fairy tale.
This post was edited on 4/16 8:58 AM by Willy4UK
I know who Crow is, while I disagree with him on alot of things, I think he's right on this.
KYFAN, The point here is the mass exodus of jobs that has occurred that NAFTA opened up, and every free trade act since then. That opened the flood gate, and all those things you mentioned played a part no doubt. Thats beside the point though, the end result is right now the manufacturing jobs aren't here anymore, and people still have to support families.
NAFTA has done nothing it promised, Mexicos level of living hasn't increased, illegal immigration hasn't gone down, the price we pay hasn't gone down, the only thing thats changed is companies profits, and Americans losing good jobs. Thats not a sustainable trade off in my mind.
This post was edited on 4/16 9:11 AM by Bill Derington
KYFAN, The point here is the mass exodus of jobs that has occurred that NAFTA opened up, and every free trade act since then. That opened the flood gate, and all those things you mentioned played a part no doubt. Thats beside the point though, the end result is right now the manufacturing jobs aren't here anymore, and people still have to support families.
NAFTA has done nothing it promised, Mexicos level of living hasn't increased, illegal immigration hasn't gone down, the price we pay hasn't gone down, the only thing thats changed is companies profits, and Americans losing good jobs. Thats not a sustainable trade off in my mind.
This post was edited on 4/16 9:11 AM by Bill Derington
Declining (spiraling downwards) middle class that has the rich on one side rigging the game for themselves and the poor/minorities carving special niches and rules for themselves on the other... and two political parties that pay lip service to the middle class at election time but run immediately to their base when actual policy decisions start getting hashed out once the voting is done...
The middle class is beset on all sides. A tyranny of lies and pandering. Here it comes again. Both parties are going to fall all over themselves with the same old bullshit then when the election is over more of the same handouts to big business and goofy special interests. If it's a Democrat then their son will look like Trayvon Martin and if it's a Republican their dad will look like Mitt Romney.
The middle class cannot... no... DID NOT... survive this. It is over as a species. We are a hollowed out country already. A house of cards built upon one group of pizza deliverers vs another group of vulture capitalists. That's no accident. We are being ripped apart at the alter and sacrificed for global interests. Why try and invent a new gizmo every year to sell to a fat porno watching populace in the US when you have an entire world out there without benefit of phones, cars, ipods... you name it. All you have to do is ship all the jobs overseas and put a little money in their consumers' pockets, then you've got a whole new market to pander to. Rinse repeat. An investors' paradise. Undercut your competition by hiring folks in Bangladesh while your competitor tries to keep his company in Cleveland. Have our military bust a few heads to keep your markets open and hell you can setup shop over and over again. Why, because sovereignty doesn't mean squat. Flags are for idiots. The only real flag is green if you don't care at all who you hurt of what the consequences are of your decision.
Pretty soon idiots like the one that posted above you will actually make sense. It is worth it to destroy our environment and sacrifice our water and air for a few temporary jobs. Heck, that's what's getting the jobs shipped overseas anyway. So as soon as we're desperate enough, as soon as we're beat down enough to where we'll prostitute ourselves for even the slimmest of wages, then the jobs come back because our standard of living has been beaten down far enough.
That's what is happening whether any of us like it or not or whether any of us votes red or blue or not. We're done only the dry rot hasn't been detected yet because the far left and the far right are locked in a death struggle that has been carefully crafted and nurtured to a fine boil. It serves a purpose.
The middle class is beset on all sides. A tyranny of lies and pandering. Here it comes again. Both parties are going to fall all over themselves with the same old bullshit then when the election is over more of the same handouts to big business and goofy special interests. If it's a Democrat then their son will look like Trayvon Martin and if it's a Republican their dad will look like Mitt Romney.
The middle class cannot... no... DID NOT... survive this. It is over as a species. We are a hollowed out country already. A house of cards built upon one group of pizza deliverers vs another group of vulture capitalists. That's no accident. We are being ripped apart at the alter and sacrificed for global interests. Why try and invent a new gizmo every year to sell to a fat porno watching populace in the US when you have an entire world out there without benefit of phones, cars, ipods... you name it. All you have to do is ship all the jobs overseas and put a little money in their consumers' pockets, then you've got a whole new market to pander to. Rinse repeat. An investors' paradise. Undercut your competition by hiring folks in Bangladesh while your competitor tries to keep his company in Cleveland. Have our military bust a few heads to keep your markets open and hell you can setup shop over and over again. Why, because sovereignty doesn't mean squat. Flags are for idiots. The only real flag is green if you don't care at all who you hurt of what the consequences are of your decision.
Pretty soon idiots like the one that posted above you will actually make sense. It is worth it to destroy our environment and sacrifice our water and air for a few temporary jobs. Heck, that's what's getting the jobs shipped overseas anyway. So as soon as we're desperate enough, as soon as we're beat down enough to where we'll prostitute ourselves for even the slimmest of wages, then the jobs come back because our standard of living has been beaten down far enough.
That's what is happening whether any of us like it or not or whether any of us votes red or blue or not. We're done only the dry rot hasn't been detected yet because the far left and the far right are locked in a death struggle that has been carefully crafted and nurtured to a fine boil. It serves a purpose.
I like Bill Clinton because the ONLY time period since the Reagan administration started this mess that saw the middle class make a fleeting recovery was under Bill Clinton. You can argue that he doesn't deserve credit or whatever, that is fine, but it is/was the only fleeting respite the middle class has seen in 35 years.
Wall Street is booming while American workers are languishing. I posted why I think that is. If you have an opposing view then state what it is rather than just pooping on my posts because you conceptually cannot participate meaningfully in the discussion.
Wall Street is booming while American workers are languishing. I posted why I think that is. If you have an opposing view then state what it is rather than just pooping on my posts because you conceptually cannot participate meaningfully in the discussion.
derp derp. I think your back history of being a hard core Dem pretty much sets up all of your rants as dishonest. The party you supports rapes the Middle Class, if you want to deny that, well it's on you. Nobody is buying it Z.
Maybe if you hadn't been such an ass before you disappeared.
Damn Crow, I agree with you, and you call me an idiot, wtf dude. Thats part of the problem, we can't have disagreements on anything without the other person being an idiot. Thats exactly why we can't ever get anywhere, why politicians ALWAYS bring up abortion, gun control, and all the other nonessential BS during election cycles.
Every politician, R or D is only worried about reelection, and now that comes with a hefty price. The middle class doesn't foot that bull any longer, Corporations and the rich do.
Like Willy said, every single one of them are globalists now.
Like Willy said, every single one of them are globalists now.
Bill. You sound like a Rand Paul guy. You know why I say that? Because you apparently see his view that politics have become a "I've gotcha" debate. No one wants to talk about the real problems when we can name call or wait till we can catch the other person in a " I gotcha" moment.
Stop looking at elections/politicians as meaningful because none of it is. Really, essentially, there was no difference between Obama and W. Sure, people will jump up and down and say "look at healthcare reform" when in reality that was a Republican plan from the 90s.
What could have been meaningful was repealing the Patriot Act, having the Wall Street criminals jailed that perpetuated the greatest fraud in history, and actually having some of the lofty promises like improving our world standing and even feel good stuff like improving race relations in our own country by electing the first African American president.
Could Bush have done any worse in spying on our own people without a warrant than Obama has perpetuated? Could Bush have done any worse in immediately pronouncing all the Wall Street criminals as basically innocent and wanting to look forward instead of throwing some arses in jail? Could Bush have done any worse in crippling our reputation and respect around the world (he might give Obama a run for our money there)? Could Bush have created what I believe to be the worst racial tensions in this country since the late 60's?
Nothing changed. Barack Obama was George W. Bush's 3rd term incarnate. Globalism is on the march and Wall Street should build a statue to Barack Obama courtesy of all the Goldman Sachs employees Obama filled his first Cabinet with when he conveniently decided to let them all off the hook after they basically financed his campaign.
Mitt Romney, the architect of Obamacare was our other "alternative" this last election... please.... like that is a real departure from Bush/Obama globalism. Not making a judgment on the policy here, I'm just saying there is not any real difference in contention. It's a sham. A shell game. Globalism from in your face Republicans or from in your back Democrats. Either way our sovereignty is diluted and our middle class gets the shaft.
What could have been meaningful was repealing the Patriot Act, having the Wall Street criminals jailed that perpetuated the greatest fraud in history, and actually having some of the lofty promises like improving our world standing and even feel good stuff like improving race relations in our own country by electing the first African American president.
Could Bush have done any worse in spying on our own people without a warrant than Obama has perpetuated? Could Bush have done any worse in immediately pronouncing all the Wall Street criminals as basically innocent and wanting to look forward instead of throwing some arses in jail? Could Bush have done any worse in crippling our reputation and respect around the world (he might give Obama a run for our money there)? Could Bush have created what I believe to be the worst racial tensions in this country since the late 60's?
Nothing changed. Barack Obama was George W. Bush's 3rd term incarnate. Globalism is on the march and Wall Street should build a statue to Barack Obama courtesy of all the Goldman Sachs employees Obama filled his first Cabinet with when he conveniently decided to let them all off the hook after they basically financed his campaign.
Mitt Romney, the architect of Obamacare was our other "alternative" this last election... please.... like that is a real departure from Bush/Obama globalism. Not making a judgment on the policy here, I'm just saying there is not any real difference in contention. It's a sham. A shell game. Globalism from in your face Republicans or from in your back Democrats. Either way our sovereignty is diluted and our middle class gets the shaft.
You're right crow, it is a big shell game. But to get change we're gonna have to put our less important issues aside, and demand change, and that starts at the ballot box.
"Idiot" and "racist" are the taunts posters always fall back on when their argument is challenged.
if the state of Texas wants to spend money on a practice that has failed over and over and over, that's their business. it's not my tax money, so they can do what they want.
however, HIV meds are paid largely through *federal* tax sources. diverting money away from strategies that have been proven to lower HIV spending just doesn't make financial sense. It's an ideological decision, not a rational one.
Well, the education is wrong. Abstinence only doesn't work because a child hasn't fully developed their ability to regulate their emotions (that's if they even get to that stage-My man Erik Erickson!!) until their late 20s/early30s. So you got money (logic and reason) being thrown against primitive human instinct (basal ganglia) and they think that abstinence only is going to work. Man, Jamo. Between me and you. I can't wait to die. The quicker I get off this rock the better.
Teaching teenagers abstinence in the face of them being bombarded on the airwaves with sexual themes, commercials, and the internet inundating them with all the porn they can look at is, on its face, absurd. No wonder half of them are bipolar with all the mixed messages coming at them.
Tell them not to have sex yet glamorize it and shove it in their faces 24/7. How can you possibly have any credibility doing that?
Tell them not to have sex yet glamorize it and shove it in their faces 24/7. How can you possibly have any credibility doing that?
I was taught about all methods of birth control and understood the causes and symptoms of STDs. I also understood and was taught how babies are conceived. I was extremely paranoid about getting an STD or getting a girl pregnant.
All that said, in college, after about ten beers, all that stuff went out the window.
My point is, do you think the abstinence vs safe sex debate is a bunch of bs anyway?
All that said, in college, after about ten beers, all that stuff went out the window.
My point is, do you think the abstinence vs safe sex debate is a bunch of bs anyway?
again, not the point. teach abstinence all you want. waste your money all you want. i don't pay taxes in Texas, so I don't care whether they spend money in that manner.
what I do have a problem with is diverting money away from HIV screening.
fewer HIV screenings = more people walking around and spreading the virus without knowing it
more virus spread = more cases
more cases = more *federal* dollars spent on HIV medications
Thatcher was right about this. Throw the morality questions out the window and make the financially responsible decision: test, treat, educate. It's simple and saves you mountains of cash..
the UK doesn't have to spend billions of dollars every year treating HIV because they dealt with it rationally. We didn't, and we're paying for it to this very day.
Abstinence should be taught alongside all other forms of birth control. It definitely should not be the focal point; because that's not being realistic. This isn't the 50s.
Im shocked at the amounts of money being thrown towards abstinence. Shocked. They may as well take that money and light it on fire. Then fire/vote out everyone who thought this was a good idea.
Im shocked at the amounts of money being thrown towards abstinence. Shocked. They may as well take that money and light it on fire. Then fire/vote out everyone who thought this was a good idea.
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