Our o-line gave away what we were going to run

[yoshukai]

Just listened to “the locker “ . They had exTennessee football players Jeff Coleman and Fred White on as guests discussing the game. They said our center and left guard gave away every upcoming play by things they did pre-snap . They said they could tell what we were going to run just by watching them .

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Just listened to “the locker “ . They had exTennessee football players Jeff Coleman and Fred White on as guests discussing the game. They said our center and left guard gave away every upcoming play by things they did pre-snap . They said they could tell what we were going to run just by watching them .

Did they give any more details? I'm guessing they went by weight on the hand (or lack thereof) to see if they were going to pull or not or if their weight was on their heels for pass pro.

Curious if they saw a more intricate tell. Even if that's all there is, it's definitely damaging. OL needs same stance every time no matter the assignment. Wonder if this had anything to do with Jager getting pulled?

 

[RunninRichie]

Yenser sucks.

 

[LordEggForgotHisPassword]

This is a big deal and it’s effect cannot be overstated

 

[ukalum1988]

Just listened to “the locker “ . They had exTennessee football players Jeff Coleman and Fred White on as guests discussing the game. They said our center and left guard gave away every upcoming play by things they did pre-snap . They said they could tell what we were going to run just by watching them .

If this is true, and it very well may be, it points to several things:

1. Excellent film study / scouting by the UT coaching staff.
2. Excellent game planning by the UT coaching staff.
3. Excellent practice / film study / scout team work by the UT coaches and players.
4. Cumulative effect of poor Offensive game planning / coaching by the UK staff.
5. Poor execution of a poor game plan by UK coaches and players.

Again, if true, it goes a long way to explaining the team's very poor performance on offense last Saturday.

 

[seccats04]

The UT guys knew the plays better than our OL, it appeared. That's how bad it's gotten on offense. Total rehaul needed in the offseason, although it probably won't matter much in the end because Stoops will see to it that we still play stall ball, keep away from the other team because he doesn't want his mediocre defense exposed.

 

[CUJO_1970]

We are a complete flipping mess right now. Lost 3 of the last 4, our horrible off-season has come home to roost.

Our coaching hires were awful.

 

[southindycat]

Yenser sucks.

If these tells are real, then yes.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Depending on the tells it could definitely be a huge deal. It could also be excellent scouting and coaching to tendency.

If it's something like weight on heels or hands, that's something our defensive team should've noticed and alerted too as well if it's a constant issue. If it's something like splits, then that's something coaches should catch in self scouting especially off the bye.

Hopefully we hear more about what this was and verify if it was true.

 

[SaltyCat22]

If you notice closely every time Levis breaks the huddle, he claps. That’s a tell-tale sign that the next play will be crappy. All good though Stoops is all-time winningest coach.

 

[catben]

Ryan Lemmond said that he was sitting close to the field and could actually HEAR the UT players yelling out what we were going to run pre-snap almost every play. This is why it KILLS ME when we break the huddle with 10 seconds on the play clock and have no time to change the play.

Scang and Yenser have FAILED miserably!!! SEC def. coord.’s have seen enough film on these 2 to read their EASY scheme.

 

[gamecockcat]

If true, this is a failure on the staff. It seems pretty obvious that you can't be effective running an offense if the defense knows whether it's a run or pass and, perhaps, even what type of running play is going to be run. How is it that none of our coaches or Levis noticed that UT knew what we were running prior to the snap and mentioned it during the game? Blows my mind if true.

 

[ACT ONE]

If true, this is a failure on the staff. It seems pretty obvious that you can't be effective running an offense if the defense knows whether it's a run or pass and, perhaps, even what type of running play is going to be run. How is it that none of our coaches or Levis noticed that UT knew what we were running prior to the snap and mentioned it during the game? Blows my mind if true.

And these guys had two weeks to prepare. No excuse for that.

 

[yoshukai]

Did they give any more details? I'm guessing they went by weight on the hand (or lack thereof) to see if they were going to pull or not or if their weight was on their heels for pass pro.

Curious if they saw a more intricate tell. Even if that's all there is, it's definitely damaging. OL needs same stance every time no matter the assignment. Wonder if this had anything to do with Jager getting pulled?

Go to the 1:15 mark.

 

[mrschwump]

Just listened to “the locker “ . They had exTennessee football players Jeff Coleman and Fred White on as guests discussing the game. They said our center and left guard gave away every upcoming play by things they did pre-snap . They said they could tell what we were going to run just by watching them .

I'm sure the crack KY sports media will follow up with this with Stoops.

 

[TOMCATS1990]

If this is true, and it very well may be, it points to several things:

1. Excellent film study / scouting by the UT coaching staff.
2. Excellent game planning by the UT coaching staff.
3. Excellent practice / film study / scout team work by the UT coaches and players.
4. Cumulative effect of poor Offensive game planning / coaching by the UK staff.
5. Poor execution of a poor game plan by UK coaches and players.

Again, if true, it goes a long way to explaining the team's very poor performance on offense last Saturday.

Last Saturday hell the whole season.

 

[catben]

I'm sure the crack KY sports media will follow up with this with Stoops.

No joke!!

I watched the Stoops presser yesterday and NOT ONE question about this OR why our OC called 11 of the 16 pass plays at or behind the Line-Of-Scrimmage????

Those 2 things were the MOST important areas coming out of that game yet NO questions about it.

 

[Finna_Go_HAM]

I'm sure it was a lot more than just weight on hand. That's a high school/middle school tell.

 

[mrschwump]

Personally, I think this is a crock. I mean, anybody who coached a year of Pop Warner would've figured this out. This is nothing but a fat bunch of ex-jocks sitting around blowing smoke out their ass saying: "Look how clever we are!"

 

[Catluv]

Just listened to “the locker “ . They had exTennessee football players Jeff Coleman and Fred White on as guests discussing the game. They said our center and left guard gave away every upcoming play by things they did pre-snap . They said they could tell what we were going to run just by watching them .

I had a buddy come over Monday he said an old UK football player named Frank told him he knew what were running before the ball was snapped. He played at UK like in the sixties. I wish he would call CMS and tell him what is tipping off our plays. If he knows it I am sure other teams know what we are running.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Go to the 1:15 mark.

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So the uncovered guys were rocking back or leaning presnap and that's what the safety's read?

That might be so but that is usually a front 7 (especially dl) read and it's a far cry from the rumor going around that UT literally knew our plays.

Also in our offense just because a lineman pulls doesn't necessarily mean it's a run.

 

[WildCard]

We are a complete flipping mess right now. Lost 3 of the last 4, our horrible off-season has come home to roost.

Our coaching hires were awful.

I'm not sure that was the case when they were hired.

Peace

 

[Ukgold]

Didn't Ryan say something about the plays being read on the sideline. Usually we have more than one person sending plays but there wasn't anyone sending in a dummy play.

 

[Bluesbrother]

We are a complete flipping mess right now. Lost 3 of the last 4, our horrible off-season has come home to roost.

Our coaching hires were awful.

Those coaches are "who" they are ... you can't bludgeon them too much for that. If the head coach is slow to fix these issues and capable of making more bad hires, then we have a head coaching problem, not an assistant coaching problem. Who would make the next hire to replace the assistants you mention? I honestly don't think Barnhart made a good hire with Stoops and Stoops can't seem to put together a competent staff leading to constant inconsistency which translates into the Tennessee game. Maybe we could join the MAC conference.

 

[YaketySax]

Threads get to the point of jumping the shark when we get the first post that says Stoops was a bad hire, can’t coach, etc. Where these posts the last few years after bowl wins? When winning nine games in 2019 with a WR playing QB?

It’s Wednesday, folks. Your recency bias has been annoying for most of the last 48 hrs, now is the time to move on and see the bigger picture.

If you’re going to succumb to recency bias then I hope you are talking about building statues to Stoops after every win.

 

[yoshukai]

So the uncovered guys were rocking back or leaning presnap and that's what the safety's read?

That might be so but that is usually a front 7 (especially dl) read and it's a far cry from the rumor going around that UT literally knew our plays.

Also in our offense just because a lineman pulls doesn't necessarily mean it's a run.

Just posted what they said. Probably shouldn’t have started a thread on it . I just thought it was interesting.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Just posted what they said. Probably shouldn’t have started a thread on it . I just thought it was interesting.

It was interesting. I'm glad you shared it. I do like van hiles content

 

[Jont0805]

Those coaches are "who" they are ... you can't bludgeon them too much for that. If the head coach is slow to fix these issues and capable of making more bad hires, then we have a head coaching problem, not an assistant coaching problem. Who would make the next hire to replace the assistants you mention? I honestly don't think Barnhart made a good hire with Stoops and Stoops can't seem to put together a competent staff leading to constant inconsistency which translates into the Tennessee game. Maybe we could join the MAC conference.

You are out of your mind. Instead of finding a new conference for Kentucky just go grab an Alabama or Georgia hoodie and then be happy all the time.

Stoops isn’t a good hire, yet took the worst team in the sec to two of its best seasons ever and for the first time in program history an 8-4 7-5 season is a disappointment.

Every time stoops makes a “good hire” a real football program comes and takes them away. It’s a roll of the dice with most of these guys at schools like Kentucky, and when you get a great one it’s just a matter of time before they move on.

It amazes me how many people think Calipari is untouchable but we could do so much better than stoops. Laughable really.

 

[Bluesbrother]

You are out of your mind. Instead of finding a new conference for Kentucky just go grab an Alabama or Georgia hoodie and then be happy all the time.

Stoops isn’t a good hire, yet took the worst team in the sec to two of its best seasons ever and for the first time in program history an 8-4 7-5 season is a disappointment.

Every time stoops makes a “good hire” a real football program comes and takes them away. It’s a roll of the dice with most of these guys at schools like Kentucky, and when you get a great one it’s just a matter of time before they move on.

It amazes me how many people think Calipari is untouchable but we could do so much better than stoops. Laughable really.

"at schools like Kentucky", "just a matter of time before they move on" ... this type of attitude is why expectation at UK has always been what it is. The only point I was making with Stoops is that I believe, 10 years in, he's reached his ceiling, so for you ... that's good enough and we should be glad he doesn't "move on" too soon. If you vacate the entire football staff, what do you have to work with? You have an SEC school with great facilities and one of the greatest fanbases in the conference/nation. All you need is the right coach/staff. The football hires have been managed mostly with people very much like yourself ... no real belief. Bear Bryant won at UK but the administration let him leave. Fire the AD and start over there first. You either want to succeed at the highest level, otherwise, what's the point? If I've "lost my mind" ... I'm perfectly content to stay where I am rather to live a world of accepting the mediocre and then celebrate it as success. The MAC comment is with reference to always using MAC opponents to insure we get to 6 wins ... again just proof that things are still broken whether you see it or not. It's interesting that you "laugh" while I read your comments and I SMH. Weird right? It's called opinion and you think others don't have a right to one while you spew yours with an attitude. You offer nothing to the conversation ... so what's your point? You have the right to your opinion which also gives you the right to be wrong. Blending arrogance with ignorance has never been a good look ... yet, here you are.

 

[Jont0805]

"at schools like Kentucky", "just a matter of time before they move on" ... this type of attitude is why expectation at UK has always been what it is. The only point I was making with Stoops is that I believe, 10 years in, he's reached his ceiling, so for you ... that's good enough and we should be glad he doesn't "move on" too soon. If you vacate the entire football staff, what do you have to work with? You have an SEC school with great facilities and one of the greatest fanbases in the conference/nation. All you need is the right coach/staff. The football hires have been managed mostly with people very much like yourself ... no real belief. Bear Bryant won at UK but the administration let him leave. Fire the AD and start over there first. You either want to succeed at the highest level, otherwise, what's the point? If I've "lost my mind" ... I'm perfectly content to stay where I am rather to live a world of accepting the mediocre and then celebrate it as success. The MAC comment is with reference to always using MAC opponents to insure we get to 6 wins ... again just proof that things are still broken whether you see it or not. It's interesting that you "laugh" while I read your comments and I SMH. Weird right? It's called opinion and you think others don't have a right to one while you spew yours with an attitude. You offer nothing to the conversation ... so what's your point? You have the right to your opinion which also gives you the right to be wrong. Blending arrogance with ignorance has never been a good look ... yet, here you are.

So you think it’s a good look for a program to fire their all time winningest coach because you want to be elite? And everyone who thinks it is a bad idea has a loser mentality?

did you grow up watching Kentucky hopefully beat vandy and one non conference game like the rest of us?

I would absolutely love for Kentucky to get to the next level, but if they fire stoops they are really much much more likely to get back to the point they were without stoops.

Are you happy with that risk?

It’s a fact bud that coaches move on from Kentucky, how many elite assistant coaches stay at any college other than Clemson, Bama, etc.

Matt house went pro then to lsu, Liam went to the rams, our position coaches routinely go to major programs.

that is a fact, I don’t see how that keeps expectations low.

I think there is just no way we can agree.

you seem to want sec champions or bust and I’m afraid we are one dumb decision away from 2 win seasons again.

realistically we are in the middle and probably always will be.

 

[Soupbean]

Ryan Lemmond said that he was sitting close to the field and could actually HEAR the UT players yelling out what we were going to run pre-snap almost every play. This is why it KILLS ME when we break the huddle with 10 seconds on the play clock and have no time to change the play.

Scang and Yenser have FAILED miserably!!! SEC def. coord.’s have seen enough film on these 2 to read their EASY scheme.

Great point. I've spewed my guts on what slow play does to hinder an offenses rythm, speed and agressiveness and put your Oline on their heels, but the fact that getting to the line also limits your ability to check at the line is another drawback for sure.

It would be amazing to see the different in Oline preformance with a better tempo. That alone would make a huge difference. They have other issues for sure but a big part of it is we're asking them to perfom on their heels all the time with a defense that is coming down hill into them. They never know exactly when the ball will be snapped either and are sitting there frozen and afraid to move forever. No way to have quick twitch energy.

 

[Bluesbrother]

So you think it’s a good look for a program to fire their all time winningest coach because you want to be elite? And everyone who thinks it is a bad idea has a loser mentality?

did you grow up watching Kentucky hopefully beat vandy and one non conference game like the rest of us?

I would absolutely love for Kentucky to get to the next level, but if they fire stoops they are really much much more likely to get back to the point they were without stoops.

Are you happy with that risk?

It’s a fact bud that coaches move on from Kentucky, how many elite assistant coaches stay at any college other than Clemson, Bama, etc.

Matt house went pro then to lsu, Liam went to the rams, our position coaches routinely go to major programs.

that is a fact, I don’t see how that keeps expectations low.

I think there is just no way we can agree.

you seem to want sec champions or bust and I’m afraid we are one dumb decision away from 2 win seasons again.

realistically we are in the middle and probably always will be.

Enjoy your mediocre expectations ... I will hope for better and expect it with good stewardship from those in control.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Great point. I've spewed my guts on what slow play does to hinder an offenses rythm, speed and agressiveness and put your Oline on their heels, but the fact that getting to the line also limits your ability to check at the line is another drawback for sure.

It would be amazing to see the different in Oline preformance with a better tempo. That alone would make a huge difference. They have other issues for sure but a big part of it is we're asking them to perfom on their heels all the time with a defense that is coming down hill into them. They never know exactly when the ball will be snapped either and are sitting there frozen and afraid to move forever. No way to have quick twitch energy.

As a former OL I can assure you OL do not like any really insane tempo. The last thing you want to do is literally sprint between plays. Of course also definitely not a fan of getting in a stance for 20 seconds while there are endless shifts and motions.

I'm all for picking up the pace. Hell I'm even for just running up and snapping it like UT does since they get away with it. But it certainly isn't the deciding factor in OL play.

Game in and out, the snap count is the biggest friend an OL has

 

[Jont0805]

Enjoy your mediocre expectations ... I will hope for better and expect it with good stewardship from those in control.

Well mediocre is better than 2-3 wins.

and the one thing we definitely agree on is a change in those in charge if Kentucky makes a move.

otherwise that stewardship you speak of is impossible.

if the man that was in charge of hiring Billy G and Joker Phillips is in control of the next big hire, we both will be begging for stoops to stay forever.

 

[Bluesbrother]

Well mediocre is better than 2-3 wins.

and the one thing we definitely agree on is a change in those in charge if Kentucky makes a move.

otherwise that stewardship you speak of is impossible.

if the man that was in charge of hiring Billy G and Joker Phillips is in control of the next big hire, we both will be begging for stoops to stay forever.

You see ... there is common ground and we're both better for it ... even if you are wrong. Nothing is impossible and mediocre sucks. I would say that there's going to be a lot of UK stressing going on this Saturday for the Mizzou game. A loss there and anything either of us have to say about it will be drowned out by an outraged mass of BBN humanity. I hope we can get back to winning a game. You are spot on correct about those in charge from within the administration, all the way up to the President. Somewhere therein is where the change needs to occur first or nothing will ever truly get fixed and right now, IMO, it's mostly broken. As long as the revenue continues to pour in ... nothing substantial will ever change and that's because of the AD/administration, President, and BOD. Someone will have to get off their ass and fix it ... it's called weak leadership and it's nothing to be proud of ... it just isn't.

 

[crashtestdummy]

No joke!!

I watched the Stoops presser yesterday and NOT ONE question about this OR why our OC called 11 of the 16 pass plays at or behind the Line-Of-Scrimmage????

Those 2 things were the MOST important areas coming out of that game yet NO questions about it.

If a reporter asks a tough question, that reporter will not be called on again. Unfortunately that is how it goes

 

[Rembrandt90]

Thanks for sharing the video of The Locker. This episode was outstanding, and all four guys did a great job.

 

[Bluesbrother]

Great point. I've spewed my guts on what slow play does to hinder an offenses rythm, speed and agressiveness and put your Oline on their heels, but the fact that getting to the line also limits your ability to check at the line is another drawback for sure.

It would be amazing to see the different in Oline preformance with a better tempo. That alone would make a huge difference. They have other issues for sure but a big part of it is we're asking them to perfom on their heels all the time with a defense that is coming down hill into them. They never know exactly when the ball will be snapped either and are sitting there frozen and afraid to move forever. No way to have quick twitch energy.

It might be helpful to see some longevity/consistency in the staff rather than constant turnover each year or two. Very disappointing to be sure and the problems created are not always so transparent. Brad White being the exception but the coaching turnover on the offensive side of the line is troubling.

 

[gojvc]

"at schools like Kentucky", "just a matter of time before they move on" ... this type of attitude is why expectation at UK has always been what it is. The only point I was making with Stoops is that I believe, 10 years in, he's reached his ceiling, so for you ... that's good enough and we should be glad he doesn't "move on" too soon. If you vacate the entire football staff, what do you have to work with? You have an SEC school with great facilities and one of the greatest fanbases in the conference/nation. All you need is the right coach/staff. The football hires have been managed mostly with people very much like yourself ... no real belief. Bear Bryant won at UK but the administration let him leave. Fire the AD and start over there first. You either want to succeed at the highest level, otherwise, what's the point? If I've "lost my mind" ... I'm perfectly content to stay where I am rather to live a world of accepting the mediocre and then celebrate it as success. The MAC comment is with reference to always using MAC opponents to insure we get to 6 wins ... again just proof that things are still broken whether you see it or not. It's interesting that you "laugh" while I read your comments and I SMH. Weird right? It's called opinion and you think others don't have a right to one while you spew yours with an attitude. You offer nothing to the conversation ... so what's your point? You have the right to your opinion which also gives you the right to be wrong. Blending arrogance with ignorance has never been a good look ... yet, here you are.

If you’re going to fire a coach who is 38-20 over the last five years you better be sure there’s a better coach that you know you can get. Because things can get worse. A lot worse. Fast. Just ask Auburn.

 

[YaketySax]

They said our center and left guard gave away every upcoming play by things they did pre-snap . They said they could tell what we were going to run just by watching them .

I wonder if they've been doing this all season and UT were the first to catch on? Or, The Locker guys are stretching the truth? Or, UK's interior OL just started doing this and we got to break the habit.

IMO, the first two choices seem unlikelier than the third.