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Petjurino said:
What's the source USA today is using. This doesn't seem to support the data I've heard in the past. Sorry, I think this report may be a little flawed.
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The data could smack you upside the head and you still wouldn't believe it because you have drank all the Kool Aid that the UL Athletics folks put in front of you. And UL is NOT the most profitable program in the country!!! Where do you keep coming up with this?? They have the most profitable BASKETBALL program. Somehow or another, having the most profitable basketball program has evolved into UL fans thinking they have the most profitable Athletic program.
 
The only reason the basketball program is so profitable is because the crooked deal with the Yum center. Nothing but a money funneling scheme.
 
BBBLazing said:
You do not think that what people read here is a reflection of the University? Especially when academics is the topic of discussion? Really? If you are correct, and you may be, it is definitely a reflection on the University's sports fans, which is similarly bad.
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The majority of people on this forum didn't go to UK. And the people on this forum are a small percentage of UK fans. So once again, how does it reflect on the university or the UK fans in general? And no, I don't think anything that is written here is a reflection of the university.
 
sluggercatfan said:
Makes no sense at all... so you are trying to tell us that Otis expands it's facility for a game played there every eight years... what do you do with the seats the other 7 because you and I both know that the fb fan base does not have the demand for it to be expanded
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No, I'm saying that UofL is capitalizing on the fact that Notre Dame will be playing in PJCS on 9/2/2019 in order to raise $55 million for the next expansion.

What Tom Jurich will do with the extra seats for the other games is basically what he had to do from 2010 through 2013: for all of the season tickets that go unsold, he will sell a couple thousand mini-season ticket packages, and the rest will go brokers (stubhub, seatgeek, etc.) who will buy up chunks of them at about a 75% discount.
 
PushupMan said:
No, I'm saying that UofL is capitalizing on the fact that Notre Dame will be playing in PJCS on 9/2/2019 in order to raise $55 million for the next expansion.

What Tom Jurich will do with the extra seats for the other games is basically what he had to do from 2010 through 2013: for all of the season tickets that go unsold, he will sell a couple thousand mini-season ticket packages, and the rest will go brokers (stubhub, seatgeek, etc.) who will buy up chunks of them at about a 75% discount.
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In the end does it matter how Tom sells them? It's about getting butts in the seats. Like I've said, Tom has mentioned numerous times that there is a large waiting list for season tickets. All of the available tickets are from what visitors turn back in. No matter how they are bought, it's about getting people in the stands. They will buy food and yes, beer. You can't make that money if you don't get the people there.
 
Petjurino said:
What's the source USA today is using. This doesn't seem to support the data I've heard in the past. Sorry, I think this report may be a little flawed.
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Profits = revenues - expenses. Many schools have higher revenues than UofL, but lower profits, as they spend more each year as well.

How Profits are attributed to a specific program is largely a function of accounting, not really based on reality anyway, as so many expenses and revenues are not sport specific.
 
BBBLazing said:
I've read this thread from the beginning, when it was a comment on a CJ article that someone saw as negative, when it was actually positive for UL. I graduated from both schools. I have a bachelor's degree from UK, and two advanced degrees, one from each school. The original premise of this thread was making fun of UL because it is the worst academic school in the ACC, which we would be too. I love UK and have bled blue since the late 30's. I have granddaughters at each school right now. One is studying engineering at UK that I encouraged to go to UL because of Speed School, and one studying medicine at UL that I encouraged to go to UK. In the professional community, no one cares where you went if you went to either of these schools. If you went to UL or UK and are competing against Harvard, you lose. I have caught so much flack on this discussion board for being critical of UK fans, of which I am one (I've learned to not say I'm the biggest UK fan ever, because everyone criticized me), but this is the type of discussion that makes the entire sports community criticize us. Neither school is hitting homeruns academically. Our kids go there because it is close or they got scholarships. If your kids go their over better schools because you like the football or basketball team, you are raising your kids wrong. Why don't you all go back to talking about how we are going to beat UL in football, instead of showing your ignorance discussing things that none of you really care about? Right? If we win in football and basketball every year, most, if not all of us, don't care about the academic ratings. Those are a totally different story and surely have their own discussion boards somewhere. This board is about sports. We only make our university look stupid when we argue about things like this.
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Very good post ... and I would add this observation: since we are rivals, many of our fans do care about anything that paints our rival in a negative light. And it's usually the loser of the last rivalry game that cares the most about external factors - anything from academic ratings to NCAA or criminal investigations.
 
Petjurino said:
In the end does it matter how Tom sells them? It's about getting butts in the seats. Like I've said, Tom has mentioned numerous times that there is a large waiting list for season tickets. All of the available tickets are from what visitors turn back in. No matter how they are bought, it's about getting people in the stands. They will buy food and yes, beer. You can't make that money if you don't get the people there.
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Untrue. There are unsold season tickets right now, and it has nothing to do with visitors. There may be a waiting list for SPECIFIC tickets, but there are season tickets available in 11 different sections of papa johns, plus season tickets to the B&W club and other premium areas.
 
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Petjurino said:
In the end does it matter how Tom sells them?
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It matters a little.... If you are a season ticket holder and you plunk down $45 (per seat per game) or so for your season tickets, it is a little upsetting to learn that the people sitting next to you got theirs for ($17) from a discount broker. It's fairly natural to feel like you've been taken advantage of in that situation.

But having said that ... I am okay with doing it that way ... we will no doubt have to grow into this next expansion, just like we did the last one.
 
PushupMan said:
It matters a little.... If you are a season ticket holder and you plunk down $45 (per seat per game) or so for your season tickets, it is a little upsetting to learn that the people sitting next to you got theirs for ($17) from a discount broker. It's fairly natural to feel like you've been taken advantage of in that situation.

But having said that ... I am okay with doing it that way ... we will no doubt have to grow into this next expansion, just like we did the last one.
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Not sure what you mean by grow into the expansion. We sell out every game. When we build it, we will have the ability to cater to more fans. I don't see it being a problem. Now if it's enough seats that it out kicks our fan base so to speak then yeah and I can concede that maybe that could happen. I know Tom and he is doing his due diligence on this project. He was talking about this when Charlie was still coaching. I am sure he knows he can fill these seats or he wouldn't be taking on this project.
 
Petjurino said:
Not sure what you mean by grow into the expansion. We sell out every game. When we build it, we will have the ability to cater to more fans. I don't see it being a problem. Now if it's enough seats that it out kicks our fan base so to speak then yeah and I can concede that maybe that could happen. I know Tom and he is doing his due diligence on this project. He was talking about this when Charlie was still coaching. I am sure he knows he can fill these seats or he wouldn't be taking on this project.
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Would love to have some of what you are smoking.......and I honestly think you believe what you are saying.....

FYI....You can argue that you sell out all your season tickets (which I question) but I can guarantee that you don't sell out "every" game. Most of the visiting teams UL plays dont buy all their tickets to PJCS and return them and I know there have been times when UL couldn't sell them all either. I was at the Memphis game a couple of years ago and there were hundreds if not a thousand(s) of empty seats in the visitors section and I know that all those tickets weren't sold and the fans didn't show up or were on the party deck......
 
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Petjurino said:
Not sure what you mean by grow into the expansion. We sell out every game. When we build it, we will have the ability to cater to more fans. I don't see it being a problem. Now if it's enough seats that it out kicks our fan base so to speak then yeah and I can concede that maybe that could happen. I know Tom and he is doing his due diligence on this project. He was talking about this when Charlie was still coaching. I am sure he knows he can fill these seats or he wouldn't be taking on this project.
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I know Tom and he is doing his due dilligence............[laughing][laughing][laughing][laughing][laughing][laughing][laughing][laughing][winking]
 
Petjurino said:
Not sure what you mean by grow into the expansion. We sell out every game. When we build it, we will have the ability to cater to more fans. I don't see it being a problem. Now if it's enough seats that it out kicks our fan base so to speak then yeah and I can concede that maybe that could happen. I know Tom and he is doing his due diligence on this project. He was talking about this when Charlie was still coaching. I am sure he knows he can fill these seats or he wouldn't be taking on this project.
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This is most definitely a closet UK fan typing this delusional mess.
 
uavel Football attendance is as phony as Pitino's morals.Thousands of seats are offered FREE or at a huge discount to UPS,Ford and GE workers.don't believe that Loserville fills that place ...The media will tell you that some games 37.000 drunks are suddenly jacked into 55,000 folks..Horse hockey..:chairshot: The only reason Turtleneck (another scummy character) announced this at this time is to distract the news that UK is opening a brand New (in most regards) Commonwealth Stadium..Everything about uavel athletics is phony and slimy..Believe what you want Goobers..UK fans know the truth..:sunglasses:
 
BillyBones said:
uavel Football attendance is as phony as Pitino's morals.Thousands of seats are offered FREE or at a huge discount to UPS,Ford and GE workers.don't believe that Loserville fills that place ...The media will tell you that some games 37.000 drunks are suddenly jacked into 55,000 folks..Horse hockey..:chairshot: The only reason Turtleneck (another scummy character) announced this at this time is to distract the news that UK is opening a brand New (in most regards) Commonwealth Stadium..Everything about uavel athletics is phony and slimy..Believe what you want Goobers..UK fans know the truth..:sunglasses:
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They are offered "free" because UPS, Ford and GE (among others) are big donors to the UofL athletic department, and as a result of those donations, they are offered blocks of tickets (primarily in the corporate sections on the home side of the stadium), which they then offer to their employees either free of charge or at a steep discount. The people in those seats are the very essence of "fair weather" - for big games, they gobble up those tickets and show out 100%. For lesser teams, not so much.
 
Petjurino said:
Not sure what you mean by grow into the expansion. We sell out every game. When we build it, we will have the ability to cater to more fans. I don't see it being a problem. Now if it's enough seats that it out kicks our fan base so to speak then yeah and I can concede that maybe that could happen. I know Tom and he is doing his due diligence on this project. He was talking about this when Charlie was still coaching. I am sure he knows he can fill these seats or he wouldn't be taking on this project.
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It's simple math I'm using here .... We currently sell out our season ticket allotment - about 45,000 in a 55,000 seat stadium. When we expand to 65,000 (or 67,000), we will have approximately 10-12k more season tickets to sell. I already explained the creative methods that the UofL athletic department used from 2010 to 2013 to sell as many of those 55,000 tickets as possible. Once we moved to the ACC with a schedule in 2014 that had Miami, Florida State and Kentucky on it, selling out the season ticket packages was easy. Selling out the tickets returned by the other schools from their 5,500 ticket allotment was more of a challenge, which is why attendance for the other three home games was in the low 50k range.
 
PushupMan said:
They are offered "free" because UPS, Ford and GE (among others) are big donors to the UofL athletic department, and as a result of those donations, they are offered blocks of tickets (primarily in the corporate sections on the home side of the stadium), which they then offer to their employees either free of charge or at a steep discount. The people in those seats are the very essence of "fair weather" - for big games, they gobble up those tickets and show out 100%. For lesser teams, not so much.
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So You admit the attendance is bogus..The uavel media machine counts tickets sold or donated not actual humans in the red potty chairs..As I stated..the 37,000 figure that the media will tell you is sometimes more truthful is accurate..[eyeroll][eyeroll][eyeroll]
 
BillyBones said:
So You admit the attendance is bogus..The uavel media machine counts tickets sold or donated not actual humans in the red potty chairs..As I stated..the 37,000 figure that the media will tell you is sometimes more truthful is accurate..[eyeroll][eyeroll][eyeroll]
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It isn't bogus. The announced attendance is below capacity, but the game is sold out. That means UofL had no more tickets to sell. However, some of the ticket holders didn't show up. It's really not that complicated or incongruous.
 
LouisDBrandeis said:
It isn't bogus. The announced attendance is below capacity, but the game is sold out. That means UofL had no more tickets to sell. However, some of the ticket holders didn't show up. It's really not that complicated or incongruous.
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Sounds Phony to me..A Supreme Court Justice would say" Jurich ..you are a Liar Suh!!" The game is NOT sold out..UK uses turnstile count..of course with the lack of morals at Loserville ..employing Adulterers and miscreants..not really surprising...[eyeroll][eyeroll]
 
Most of those tatted up, linebearded, Eminem looking drunks are passed out in the parking lot during the game. They couldn't care less about watching a football game. They just wanna tailgate, get drunk, stoned, and hang around the stripper pole. Dat's how dey do it in daville. You know what I be sayin, Dawg?
 
tmuck said:
Most of those tatted up, linebearded, Eminem looking drunks are passed out in the parking lot during the game. They couldn't care less about watching a football game. They just wanna tailgate, get drunk, stoned, and hang around the stripper pole. Dat's how dey do it in daville. You know what I be sayin, Dawg?
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How True! The Linebeards Crown Royal Drinking Rednecks will be out in force. Uavel will sell thousands of gallons of beer and nobody cares if a football game breaks out..[jumpingsmile][jumpingsmile][jumpingsmile]
 
I know plenty of schools, including UK, used to count the concession workers in their attendance numbers.
 
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