You have half of a good point until you back it up "I've worked with smart people from low ranked schools and mediocre people from high ranked schools." Anecdotes, man. "UK>UofL" is not the same as "every UK graduate > every UofL graduate."
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You come here and criticize us when on your board there are numerous threads about UK and none of them are positive, especially Zipp=0 You know where you can go!
I have to admit I'm not familiar with any UofL president ever being fired. Nothing comes up when I Google UofL President fired. Can you fill me in on the circumstances surrounding these situations please?
Its been quite some time but If I recall correctly it had to do with embezzlement and renovations to a presidents home. Although googling the term University of Louisville and embezzlement returns quite a lot of results.
believe I've found it. John Shumaker. Embezzelled quite a lot of money from Tennessee and was forced to resign in shame after he left Louisville. So it didn't actually happen at Louisville.
Maybe you should read the whole story? The ACC is a very high academic league and UL just joined. Everybody knew we were going to be last for now and might be for years to come since there is some really elite academic schools in the ACC but UL is closing the gap. Academics are up across the board at UL and that was the basis for the story. Graduation rate is way up. The avg ACT scores are way but and 75% of the new freshmen live on campus. Just a guess but UK would be near the bottom of the ACC as well.UL is spending a lot of money on academics these days. Football stadiums just get more link.Front page of Courier Journal proclaims uavel Dead last in ACC academically..But they can afford to spend $55 Million to expand a football stadium they cannot fill..Strange logic..and they are paying President Ramsey additional big $$$$$$$ in a secret foundation for some unknown reason...
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I will point out that UL athletics are near the top of the ACC in academics in many sports including football and basketball. Check out the APR went you get time.
Ask Michael Dyer, the transfer who was supposed to benefit from being in the UL family, about APR. Hey, he was a good egg at UL the whole time he was there (have you seen Auburn's arrest numbers recently? Maybe some UL fan can link us to that page). Just never went to class?
Do you think there might be a correlation between being the lowest academic institution in the ACC and APR? Derrrrrrrrrrrr.
Do you think there might be a correlation between being the lowest academic institution in the ACC and APR? Derrrrrrrrrrrr.
This thread should be entitled the UK Zipp thread. Our very own UL's Zipp tribute Billy Bones style.
It's embarrassing for UK fans to sink this low.
It's embarrassing for UK fans to sink this low.
It's a very valid and worthy discussion. Especially when Tom Jurich and UL fans want to brag so much on their athletic facilities projects - right when CWS is about to reopen.
I said in the previous thread that was deleted - UL works on a different financial model than UK. This article is further proof that at UL - fiscally - 1. Athletics 2. Academics.
I said in the previous thread that was deleted - UL works on a different financial model than UK. This article is further proof that at UL - fiscally - 1. Athletics 2. Academics.
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HAHAHAHA! You? 2 degrees? That's hilarious. Those 2 degrees sure got you far. What, an assistant football coach at one of, if not the worst high school in the state (Seneca)... and now you've been on a message board for some time now, acting like an idiot, under what... your 3rd or 4th name cause you've been banned so many times? You don't exactly come across as educated or some sort of stand-up kind of person. But hey, you have info about Lloyd Tubman or something, so yeah!
It'll never sink in for you, but we're all better off without someone like you as a UK fan. You just embarrass yourself.
No, it's not laughable at all. I have seen you post a lot of anti-Kentucky type stuff. It's okay, you can post whatever you want.
Most times this would be buried but the Courier Journal is waking up..Now WDRB is exposing that sleazebag Dr.Ramsey and all his secret $$$$$$..
Lol. I thought Jurich controlled the Louisville media. Huh? You still think he does?
There is actually. Florida is one of the premier public universities in academics.
1. UofL struggled for decades to develop and maintain an academic environment of a standard 4-year state university.
2. UofL, over the past 20 years, has made tremendous progress developing the campus environment and improving the quality of its academic reputation, and is in the realm of academic prestige and experience as most 4-year state universities.
3. Point 1 negatively impacted the Commonwealth of Kentucky.
4. Point 2 improves the Commonwealth of Kentucky.
A degree from UK or UofL holds pretty much the same weight. They are not Michigan, UVa, or Texas. Both institutions could use investment from the state. The programs offered should align with one another. They should be academically collaborative instead of competitive. But they are not, so we have two mediocre universities. Bummer.
2. UofL, over the past 20 years, has made tremendous progress developing the campus environment and improving the quality of its academic reputation, and is in the realm of academic prestige and experience as most 4-year state universities.
3. Point 1 negatively impacted the Commonwealth of Kentucky.
4. Point 2 improves the Commonwealth of Kentucky.
A degree from UK or UofL holds pretty much the same weight. They are not Michigan, UVa, or Texas. Both institutions could use investment from the state. The programs offered should align with one another. They should be academically collaborative instead of competitive. But they are not, so we have two mediocre universities. Bummer.
The difference in UK and UL isn't great...but there is a difference. More important, it is changing quick. The two schools are on totally different tracks right now. It may take 10 years to really be visible, but the train has left the station. It is very visible in healthcare already. Simply put, UK made a damn good hire in their current president. UK targets the high end regional universities as their competition and benchmark in healthcare....not UL.
Miami is pretty elite (52nd?, if I am remembering correctly) and also a private school like Duke, Syracuse, BC, Notre Dame, and Wake Forest. I don't think too many people who follow college football realize that Miami is a private university - I found out when my son decided to go there last year.
Thank goodness he is a great student and has earned a lot of scholarships. The annual bill (including the now famous total cost of attendance) is about $62K for out of state students.
Deleting this ... looks like Louie already found the reference to John Shumaker.
A lot of large universities are judged by the amount of research dollars they bring in annually. I was looking into it the other day and UK is at around $285 million in research dollars versus $109 million for UofL.
But it hasn't really. Read the piece again. The Courier bends over backwards to put bad news in good light -- "UofL used to be mediocre, but look at the improvement! Disregard all these bad statistics we're giving you!" Many are focusing on the elite schools in the ACC - Duke, Carolina, Virginia, etc. - and saying last place in that league isn't so bad. But UofL is way, way behind even Florida State.
Saying UofL is much better now than it was 20 years ago, is like pointing out that a 3'9" midget hit a growth spurt and is now 4'2"......
I've attended UofL, UK and UT. There really is a vast difference between a land grant state school and an urban, commuter school.....
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The article is a positive one. It points out the improvement but notes that others have improved also. Take the ACC element out of it, because that's irrelevant when discussing whether U of L has improved greatly as a school. It is a totally different "type" of school than it was 20 years ago. Now, 75% of freshmen live in campus compared to 35% in 1995. It is much less of a commuter school than it used to be.
Notre Dame...ACC, Really?... They are only using that league just like the BE for bb and Olympic sports. What all the schools that are members tell them they either play fb or they don't play anything... Never would fly in the SEC because it is THE KING!!!
UK is basically to the SEC what U of L is to the ACC when it comes to 6-year as well as 4-year graduation rates. UK (60.4%) leads only Ark (60.1%) and Ole Miss (58.0%) in the SEC in graduation rate. These figures do not make UK a bastion of higher academics.
How much does Capiluto get paid?
We know that the presidents and chancellors in the ACC do not have the crime syndicate payment plan of Ramsey. Does Eli?
We know that the presidents and chancellors in the ACC do not have the crime syndicate payment plan of Ramsey. Does Eli?
I think the way you describe the relationship was true back when we were in the Big East. I am much happier with the deal now that we have guaranteed football game against them every three years. Under the current setup, we will actually play Notre dame twice as often as we play Miami, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, and the other three schools from the coastal division.
You didn't answer my question? Why does the acc bow down to ND?... this would never happen in the sec
It's a mutually beneficial relationship for ACC and ND, it wouldn't be a mutually beneficial relationship for the SEC, and that's why it would never happen in the SEC, not some high minded principle.
ND gets:
A place to park all non football sports and keep them in the national conversation
Continued football autonomy
ACC gets:
One of the best women's basketball teams in the country to add to a good women's BBall conference
A good men's bball program that might not be elite in conference year end year out but will certainly hold their own in a bball driven conference.
Academic reputation in keeping with many of the ACC teams
Added strength and legitimacy to the football being played in a conference that looked to be destined to join BE in falling out of the P6/5/4 just a few years ago.
The SEC doesn't need anybody to add anything to the football played in the conference. We've got the reputation, we've got the recruiting, we've got the dominance and we've got the schedule. Top to bottom it's the best in any given span of time you want to consider. The gap's not as wide as many think, Pac12 plays some really good football too and the B1G is on the mend, but the SEC is king. What would we get out of adding ND? Nothing. What did the ACC get? Tons. That's why they did it.
ND would add the same things to the SEC as it does to the acc, but ND get a ton more out of this than the acc does...They get to put bb programs in a great conference and play a "conference " schedule but be able to keep its autonomy in fb along with all the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ it derives from it... The SEC would never have any of this and you know it . ND doesn't add anything to the conference in fb simply by agreeing to play some teams each year, for what? Those games have zero bearing on the conference or its BCS bids as it has no bearing on the conference championship... Totally bogus reason and ND comes out smelling like a rose and ND keeps all its fb money and they pat all the acc schools on the head and say now run along on home little sister.
The SEC does not need those things. The ACC does need those things. The SEC would never have any of this and we all know it. Cause they would get no advantage. The ACC did because they get a huge advantage and we all know it.
ACC adding ND gives everyone ND plays a bump in their schedule but most importantly it put an end to the B1G/SEC poaching and the race towards 4 16 team super conferences that would have left most of the ACC in the same spot UConn and Cincy find themselves in now. You're sadly mistaken if you think NC State and Wakeforest would rather be in the AAC than the ACC, and that's the inarguable direction the conference was headed before they added Pitt, Cuse, ND, and L'ville, ND is the only of the 4 that brought anything to the conference. No conference would want to be in the position of having to accept ND on ND's terms, but the reason 2 major conferences have is because those conferences clearly gain something and deem it worthwhile. Pretending the ACC and SEC are at the same standard in Football and should make the same type of decision about ND is retarded. Not as a pejorative, it's literally retarded. It's not even comparing apples and oranges, it's comparing apples and rocks.
All you have to do to look at how the ACC benefits by having Notre Dame in the conference as an independent in football is to look at how the arrangement has affected Louisville.
Louisville is getting a stadium expansion from 55,000 to between 65,000-67,000 because Notre Dame will be playing in Louisville to start the 2019 season.
As John(-24) has so adeptly said, the SEC doesn't need that kind of help in football.
Louisville is getting a stadium expansion from 55,000 to between 65,000-67,000 because Notre Dame will be playing in Louisville to start the 2019 season.
As John(-24) has so adeptly said, the SEC doesn't need that kind of help in football.
