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Front page of Courier Journal proclaims uavel Dead last in ACC academically..But they can afford to spend $55 Million to expand a football stadium they cannot fill..Strange logic..and they are paying President Ramsey additional big $$$$$$$ in a secret foundation for some unknown reason...
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BillyBones said:
Front page of Courier Journal proclaims uavel Dead last in ACC academically..But they can afford to spend $55 Million to expand a football stadium they cannot fill..Strange logic..and they are paying President Ramsey additional big $$$$$$$ in a secret foundation for some unknown reason...
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That should not be a surprise. It is a commuter school in a conference of academic heavyweights. Throw in that toxic dump campus by the dog food silos, it is clear "the ville" is the red headed step child in that conference.
 
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irishcat1965 said:
That should not be a surprise. It is a commuter school in a conference of academic heavyweights. Throw in that toxic dump campus by the dog food silos, it is clear "the ville" is the red headed step child in that conference.
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Most times this would be buried but the Courier Journal is waking up..Now WDRB is exposing that sleazebag Dr.Ramsey and all his secret $$$$$$..:boxing:
 
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That should not be a surprise. It is a commuter school in a conference of academic heavyweights. Throw in that toxic dump campus by the dog food silos, it is clear "the ville" is the red headed step child in that conference.
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Yea, when your in a conference with schools like Duke, UVa, Georgia Tech, Boston College, and Va Tech it's pretty tough sledding to compete academically.
 
Ramsey's money grab is an unexplainable, possibly corrupt, thing. The sports stuff is different, in my opinion. The Athletic Dept is supposed to make sure UL attracts the best and keeps up athletically in the conference and in the state. Now, could they be funding more of the academic side? I think we all know they can. Lift the student fees. Give more to the school.

But, keeping up athletically is distinct from keeping up academically.
 
GYERater said:
We would also be dead last in the ACC, and we are around the bottom of the SEC. While better academically that UofL, it isnt really a subject we should be mocking them over.
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Wrong ..Academically we can stand up with almost any SEC school..Check your facts.
 
GYERater said:
We would also be dead last in the ACC, and we are around the bottom of the SEC. While better academically that UofL, it isnt really a subject we should be mocking them over.
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Here is an article from 2013 that ranks the power 5 academically. I suspect the rankings are still close to the same.

Notwithstanding UNC's fake classes :) the ACC is the best academic conference with an average academic ranking of 55.8. Within the ACC UofL was last with a ranking of 160.

The SEC is 4th with an average ranking of 98.1, UK's ranking is 125. Which would place it last in the ACC unless UofL is in the conference and 10 out of 14 in the SEC

Overall it's really a silly argument. Graduates with degrees from UK do great things as do graduates with degrees from other schools, including UofL. We are talking football and given I trust UK to be the best academic school it can be, the only thing I care about is beating UofL. That's the main ranking for me when posting on this board.

http://collegespun.com/national/whi...conferences-has-the-best-schools-academically
 
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Here are the rankings per US News and World Report. UK is tied for 10th in the SEC with LSU, tied for #129 nationally. Only Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and Arkansas rank lower than UK. UofL is tied for #161 overall. So UK is not that much, if any, better than UofL.

Those rankings mean virtually nothing past your first job out of college. Some of the smartest people I've worked with and/or known went to Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and UofL. I've worked with people from places like Michigan, Florida, Notre Dame, etc. that were no more intelligent than anyone else. A lot of these rankings are based on how selective/elitist that particular college chooses to be. As a result the more selective/elitist schoos tend to produce "elitist" graduates who don't always transition well to the real world.

SEC Rankings (national rank)
1-Vanderbilt (T16)
2-Florida (T48)
3-Georgia (T62)
4-Texas A&M (T68)
5-Alabama (T88)
6-Mizzou (T99)
7-Auburn (T103)
8-Tennessee (T106)
9-South Carolina (T113)
10-UK (T129)
10-LSU (T129)
12-Arkansas (T135)
13-Ole Miss (T149)
14-Mississippi State (T156)

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/data
 
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BillyBones said:
Front page of Courier Journal proclaims uavel Dead last in ACC academically..But they can afford to spend $55 Million to expand a football stadium they cannot fill..Strange logic..and they are paying President Ramsey additional big $$$$$$$ in a secret foundation for some unknown reason...
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ACC was always considered a BB and academic conference they started expanding. Duke, UV, VT, GT, WF, BC right or wrong have always been looked at as top end schools, NC was and truth be told probably still is for non athletes but it has that blackeye now, I don't know about Syracuse or Miami. NCST, CU, or Louisville are considered academic powerhouse, but all of them have an area they are pretty good with. About the only school on par with academics with those schools in the SEC would be Vandy.
 
FtWorthCat said:
Here are the rankings per US News and World Report. UK is tied for 10th in the SEC with LSU, tied for #129 nationally. Only Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and Arkansas rank lower than UK. UofL is tied for #161 overall. So UK is not that much, if any, better than UofL.

Those rankings mean virtually nothing past your first job out of college. Some of the smartest people I've worked with and/or known went to Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and UofL. I've worked with people from places like Michigan, Florida, Notre Dame, etc. that were no more intelligent than anyone else. A lot of these rankings are based on how selective/elitist that particular college chooses to be. As a result they tend to produce elitist graduates who don't always transition well to the real world.

SEC Rankings (national rank)
1-Vanderbilt (T16)
2-Florida (T48)
3-Georgia (T62)
4-Texas A&M (T68)
5-Alabama (T88)
6-Mizzou (T99)
7-Auburn (T103)
8-Tennessee (T106)
9-South Carolina (T113)
10-UK (T129)
10-LSU (T129)
12-Arkansas (T135)
13-Ole Miss (T149)
14-Mississippi State (T156)

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/data
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Wrong again. Kentucky is a significantly better school than UL. You have it right in front of you.
 
Blue Decade said:
Wrong again. Kentucky is a significantly better school than UL. You have it right in front of you.
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So by your flawed logic then, there is a huge gap from Florida to UK. The gap between Florida and UK is much wider than that between UK and UofL in the rankings. But, that is not my experience in having worked with several graduates of the University of Florida. They are no smarter or more successful than graduates of UK, UofL, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, etc. that I have known and worked with. These rankings don't mean much after you graduate.
 
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FtWorthCat said:
Where would UK rank in the ACC? Where does UK rank in the SEC? Glass houses people, and I am a graduate of UK.
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GYERater said:
We would also be dead last in the ACC, and we are around the bottom of the SEC. While better academically that UofL, it isnt really a subject we should be mocking them over.
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Louisville peaked academically in 2003, ranking in the 301-400 range overall (although their ranking sat somewhere roughly around 360 or so, based on this graph). There was a period, around 2007, where they dipped to nearly 490th or so in the world (ironically, this is a year after they made their move into the Big East, a basketball power conference, so this is probably when they start dumbing down their standards to get better athletes).
The last time that Louisville was ranked in the top 500 academically was in 2012, where they ranked around 495th. They've since fallen off the chart.

Kentucky peaked in 2006, ranking around 205th in the world They've since fallen closer to the 300 range (again, based off the graph, closer to 295th in the world, which still far exceeds where Louisville ever was.
The reason for the poor ranking isn't because of the best courses that UK offers, it ranks 101-150 in the SOC department, and 151-200 in the MED department, in the broad studies field. UK also ranks in the 151-200 range in the world, in both Physics, and Economics/Business.

Louisville, on the other hand, is not ranked world-wide in any of the courses that they offer. It offers poor academics all around. Kentucky has room to improve. Some aspects of UK's academics needs to catch up to the other aspects, but Louisville has a university-wide academic crisis, and that's not considered an issue to them because they're too busy trying to milk the athletics cow for everything it's worth. It's just now coming to light, all of the shady money grabbing that Louisville has been doing over the past few years.
 
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BillyBones said:
Front page of Courier Journal proclaims uavel Dead last in ACC academically..But they can afford to spend $55 Million to expand a football stadium they cannot fill..Strange logic..and they are paying President Ramsey additional big $$$$$$$ in a secret foundation for some unknown reason...
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I think the bigger story here may be how much money UofL diverts from the academic side to the athletic side...
 
I have always found these rankings to be somewhat ridiculous. Many of the schools outside of the Ivy League are generally equivalent to each other, but they have to put them in a ranked list. It's kind of like comparing 4-star football recruits to each other. How do you necessarily decide who gets ranked ahead of others when they are all good?

Schools can also attempt to manipulate these rankings based on the data that they provide. Remember the cost of attendance numbers that arose due to the stipends that are now offered in sports? The schools manipulate those numbers too.

I also believe that one of the variables is the % of alumni who give back and/or are members of the Alumni Association. Really? So, what if somebody gives a $1 million anonymous gift to the university. Can they then decide to allocate a portion non-giving alumni to make the appearance that these people are giving? Would U.S. News really dive that far into the donations to authenticate it? I don't think so.

UofL is a spin factory that will manipulate any statistics or accounting numbers that they can to create an appearance of their choosing. Yum! Center, anyone? They created the UofL Foundation to misappropriate money and conveniently hide it from state audit. I wonder if they will hire more people from UNC to show them how to improve their rankings?
 
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So by your flawed logic then, there is a huge gap from Florida to UK. The gap between Florida and UK is much wider than that between UK and UofL in the rankings. But, that is not my experience in having worked with several graduates of the University of Florida. They are no smarter or more successful than graduates of UK, UofL, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, etc. that I have known and worked with. These rankings don't mean much after you graduate.
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Your flawed logic is that you make up stuff that isn't true. I said Kentucky is a significantly better school than UL, which is objectively true. While accusing me of having flawed logic, you responded with a lecture that doesn't have anything to do with what I said. You often post with an anti-Kentucky agenda.
 
Most should go back and read the article. While the headline says UL last in ACC academically, the article in fact is pretty glowing on UL and it's growth over the years. The majority of schools in the ACC are prestigious universities and that was one of the things detractors brought up would be how would UL stack up, which the answer is not well. Academics and athletics have nothing to do with each other. While I think Ramsey's salary is ridiculous, fans love him bc of the athletic growth not academic standing.
 
Where UK and UL would rank/rank in the ACC pecking order is not a big deal. The ACC schools are the ones who sold their academic souls to bring in UL for athletics and TV revenue, thus lowering the conference's supposed academic superiority. IMO.
 
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Zakk Wyldcat said:
Where UK and UL would rank/rank in the ACC pecking order is not a big deal. The ACC schools are the ones who sold their academic souls to bring in UL for athletics and TV revenue, thus lowering the conference's supposed academic superiority. IMO.
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+1
 
I was an average student with an "average" business degree from UK and make more money than many of my peers who have degrees from the top tier academic universities out there. I also work with folks with degrees from schools I have never heard of who make more than me and in many cases are executives and make a ton of money. Some have no degrees but worked their rear ends off to move up the ladder.

Point being getting a college degree takes work no matter where you go and once you get into the working world it's up to a person on how hard they want to work and choosing the right field when determining how successful they will be.
 
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USNews ranks all the colleges at the universities throughout the country. UK topped UL at every college I as I recall.
 
I was always surprised that Louisville was chosen over Cincinnati to go to the ACC. That said, I think they are fine academically. I know plenty of smart people that went to medical school there. I briefly entertained the idea of going to law school there. My UK degree has been great and I'm thankful to have it.
 
I would say UK's billion dollar plus investment in what was a crumbling infrastructure and athletic facilities will make a difference in the future as academic facilities are undergoing major upgrades. In athletics, we can see the results in football. Rupp Arena will have upgrades of a yet undetermined plan. A new baseball stadium is coming and the Olympic sports will also have further upgrades.

Another billion plus is planned for UK Healthcare expansion. So, there is great effort being expended to improve our state university. Yet, at the end if the day successful athletics, especially football, drives student enrollment. UK has a long way to go to reach the upper level of the SEC academically, but the university is off to a great start.
 
A lot of the rankings are based on endowments and professor scholarship and faculty prestige. Overall, I can't say that the education I received at any of the institutions I went to were any better or worse than the others.
 
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Yea, when your in a conference with schools like Duke, UVa, Georgia Tech, Boston College, and Va Tech it's pretty tough sledding to compete academically.
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True, but the piece said uofl is 67 spots behind Florida State, which no one would confuse with Harvard.
 
DACats86 said:
I think the bigger story here may be how much money UofL diverts from the academic side to the athletic side...
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it's really more the ability of the school to co-opt the local politicians love of UL athletics and funnel taxpayer money into the athletic dept
 
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