OT Patrick Ewing tests positive for coronavirus

[Ronwasourlastchance]

In my community of about 55k-65k there have been around 60 cases and 1-2 deaths. In Az 80% of deaths have been 65 and older with comorbidity.
So there is less than half percent chance of catching it and then less than 1/2 percent chance of my death... so my chance of death from covid is literally less than one in a million. And even the elderly would be lotto odds. .

Most people haven't had a loved one or close friend infected with symptoms. It's not just the death rate. It's also the long term lung damage it causes. Just because it doesn't kill everyone doesn't mean it wouldn't significantly lower your quality of life. It's bad stuff for a lot of people.

 

[BlueInBrooklyn]

Typical libtard coach. Hoax. Faking it. Trying to keep Trump from winning. Q will save us.

 

[DontTreadonMe910]

Why even bother trying to explain rational thinking, critical thinking probability and logic to a left wing progressive on this anymore do something productive with your Memorial Day weekend

 

[Lead Belly]

If I remember correctly, and I will check YouTube, federal officials, including an African American lady whose name escapes me, said the cause of death would be listed as the virus even if it didn’t cause the person’s death. The person just had to have the virus.
I have maintained the country has to take the virus seriously and people who are most vulnerable must take extreme precautions. But the country must open up.

You have no idea if or when you will get the virus. You have no idea if or when you will be in a car accident. You can stay in shelter and not get the virus. You can stay home and guarantee you won’t be in a car accident. Yet you drive every day, sometimes multiple times a day, risking getting in a car accident, something you have absolutely no control over. Knowing tens of thousands die in car accidents every year and millions get hurt and require medical attention. That doesn’t stop you from driving.

You seem like a nice guy, but I would need to see physical, reputable evidence to consider that. When even the white house, who has the most to lose, is stating that it is likely higher and will grow, I would say there is some accuracy behind it.

The country is re-opening. Hell, most of it wasn't even closed, just modified in how they had to operate. However, there is no point in opening everything back at once to pre pandemic levels if it means we just have to shut down again or risk losing thousands more. Do it wisely and preserve the most lives. I can rebuild a business, I can't bring back the dead.

I don't drive daily, but regardless I still have a lot of control. I can decide when, where and how I drive, and most importantly, I can decide what I drive to greatly reduce my risk. If I drive a big truck or SUV, I am less likely to be hurt. Same with a higher saftey rating. If I drive in areas with lower speed limits, I am less likely to be in an accident. If I drive during the day, I have less chance of hitting wild life and being struck by a drunk driver. If I drive in areas more familiar, I have less chance of getting in a fatal car accident. If I lower my distractions, I have a lower chance of being in a car accident. If I keep a safe distance from the car in front of me, I have less opportunity to get in a wreck. If I go below the posted speed limits and legally stop at stop signs and traffic lights, I have less of a chance of getting into an accident. While my chances are rarely ever 100% non-existent, they can be greatly lowered by things in my control. It's just apple to oranges.

The other issue you seem to be missing is that 36,000 car deaths annually don't overwhelm our hospitals and aren't contagious. There is no car wreck disease. Nor are the required steps necessary that would be needed to treat a pandemic. Car wrecks aren't spread globally. 36,000 among 12 months would be roughly 3000 per month and around 100 per day. I would love for that to be lower and we take steps to do so. However, we have had several days of close to 3000 deaths from covid-19 alone for multiple weeks straight. In 3 months, we have almost 3 times the annual deaths of those caused by car accidents. And that is strongly believed to be underreported. If that carried on at the same pace for a year, we would have 12 times as many. Yet, you think they are comparable?

 

[BlueInBrooklyn]

Why even bother trying to explain rational thinking, critical thinking probability and logic to a left wing progressive on this anymore do something productive with your Memorial Day weekend

Totally agree. Probably thinks California isn’t a place gays run to keep Christians from praying.

Don’t even get me started on the libs who want Mexicans to run the internet. These people shouldn’t be allowed to live much less vote.

 

[Lead Belly]

There was a report of COVID being cited as cause of death when a guy had a .55 BAC in Colorado.

Additionally, if the virus is as contagious as claimed (which I don't dispute) the fact of the matter is far more than 1/2 of 1 percent of the population has had it. This would stand to reason that death rate is significantly lower than what is reported. Antibody study in California claiming 55x to 80x more people had COVID than what was reported in one county alone.

Can you cite this? Also. Are you saying you can't have covid and consume alcohol?

The death rate reported is for confirmed cases only. We can't accurately predict a death rate for something we don't factually know, which is untested asymptomatic people. Eventually they will get a more accurate understanding and be able to better predict that. No one is really disputing it will be much lower than the cofirmed case totals we have now.

 

[BlueInBrooklyn]

I named my kids smith and Wesson because I know they’re coming for our guns. Let em try.

 

[anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y]

when will rafters learn you can’t post a corona thread and expect it to go unnoticed it’ll just turn into a political pissing contest until it gets locked...

I find it amusing how many epidemiologists we have on Rafters particularly in this thread. Amazing!

 

[WildcatofNati]

Lol, no. No one reputable said the overall total for the globe would be 3 - 4%. It always been expected to be below 1% when factoring in the global population. That is factoring in everyone both infected and non-infected. The 3 - 4% is the number associated with actual cases of covid 19. You do realize .4 would be 4 times higher than the seasonal flu?

Of course no one other than an end of times doomsayer would have predicted that 4 percent of the world was going to die, but the WHO absolutely projected a fatality rate for those who were infected to be 3.4 percent. And now the CDC projects it as .4 percent- and only including symptomatic cases. That would be four in a thousand, not four in a hundred. Mojocat was absolutely correct. As for the flu, .1 percent might actually be higher than it really is, but a particularly bad season might well kill upwards of 75,000 Americans.

 

[WildcatofNati]

I respectfully say I completely disagree with your flu comment.

1. Seasonal flu doesn’t kill this many people.
2. We are at the end of May, and the daily death toll is extremely high; again it, it is May. Seasonal flu never kills nearly this many people.....particularly in May.
3. There’s no real sign nationwide daily deaths are about to go down, particularly with things now “opening up”; the death toll will get much higher than it currently is.
4. Most everyone is living sort of like a hermit and most are trying to be responsible by sanitizing, wearing masks, etc.—businesses and schools have been shut down for 2 months and we are still approaching 100K deaths. We NEVER take these extreme steps to mitigate seasonal flu deaths. Yet in spite of these extreme measures, the deaths are higher than seasonal flu death numbers.

So there is no comparison to Covid-19 and seasonal flu being about the same and certainly seasonal flu is in no way worse; it’s not even a close call. Not saying seasonal flu deaths aren’t tragic and a very large and unfortunate number die from it, but c’mon man, you know this pandemic ain’t less deadly than annual bouts of seasonal flu....

And I’ll agree there are lies being told, but we probably won’t agree on who is telling them so I won’t go there. I’ll just wish you to be safe and well and I take satisfaction in knowing you and I both will be glad when things are safe again and we can watch our Cats play (not re-runs)—I’m pretty sure we are in lock step agreement on that!

While most of your statements are correct, No. 3 is not. The daily death are absolutely going down- right now, closing in on half the daily death totals from peak, per Worldometers.

 

[TheAnonymous13]

i will be 75 next month and don't worry about this virus. More people died from the flu than this virus. We are being lied to BIG TIME !

With respect, I am surprised this mindset still exists- despite all the evidence to its contrary.

 

[WildcatofNati]

Can you cite this? Also. Are you saying you can't have covid and consume alcohol?

The death rate reported is for confirmed cases only. We can't accurately predict a death rate for something we don't factually know, which is untested asymptomatic people. Eventually they will get a more accurate understanding and be able to better predict that. No one is really disputing it will be much lower than the cofirmed case totals we have now.

It's a real story. It's fairly reasonable to assume that anyone manages a .55 (and I have no idea how that happened unless he was just guzzling pure grain directly from the bottle) was a goner with or without the COVID. The county coroner was so livid about the false categorization of this death as coronavirus that he tried to initiate a fraud investigation. Ultimately, Colorado made the decision to not only delete this death as a coronavirus death, but 250 others as well.

 

[Lead Belly]

Of course no one other than an end of times doomsayer would have predicted that 4 percent of the world was going to die, but the WHO absolutely projected a fatality rate for those who were infected to be 3.4 percent. And now the CDC projects it as .4 percent- and only including symptomatic cases. That would be four in a thousand, not four in a hundred. Mojocat was absolutely correct. As for the flu, .1 percent might actually be higher than it really is, but a particularly bad season might well kill upwards of 75,000 Americans.

Can you please cite this? I don't recall the who ever making such a prediction

The flu number is rounded up. Also, only 1 time in recorded history have the flu deaths been above 56,000, and that was in 2017-2018 when it was 80,000. So that 75,000 would become the 2nd worst ever. 0.04% will be more than 4 times than worst seasonal flu. It would put us in the millions of deaths. It won't be that high either. It will be around 0.02, which is still bad and required the precautions we took.

 

[TheDude73]

fine with me. I’m a 29 year old healthy man, I’m not worried. I’m just saying seems like the elderly at NCAA HQ might freak

Until you pass it to your older family and they're gone. Then how will you feel? Healthy and young?

 

[WildcatofNati]

Can you please cite this? I don't recall the who ever making such a prediction

The flu number is rounded up. Also, only 1 time in recorded history have the flu deaths been above 56,000, and that was in 2017-2018 when it was 80,000. So that 75,000 would become the 2nd worst ever. 0.04% will be more than 4 times than worst seasonal flu. It would put us in the millions of deaths. It won't be that high either. It will be around 0.02, which is still bad and required the precautions we took.

I don't know to directly post links. Worldometers has an analysis on its site, and also if you google "who 3.4 fatality" the articles will appear. A .4% IFR would put the deaths over a million (about 1.3) but that assumes that every American is infected and no one can fight it off with a strong immune system and that there is never herd immunity. If it is .2%, that's less than a million people, but, again, even that number assumes that everyone becomes infected.

 

[Lead Belly]

It's a real story. It's fairly reasonable to assume that anyone manages a .55 (and I have no idea how that happened unless he was just guzzling pure grain directly from the bottle) was a goner with or without the COVID. The county coroner was so livid about the false categorization of this death as coronavirus that he tried to initiate a fraud investigation. Ultimately, Colorado made the decision to not only delete this death as a coronavirus death, but 250 others as well.

I just found a fox news article on this, but it also stated in the article. “State epidemiologists believe that once the data is up to date then the number will, unfortunately, be higher,” the statement concluded"

So while they admitted to making mistakes with how these were labeled, they still believe the number is under-reported.

I don't know to directly post links. Worldometers has an analysis on its site, and also if you google "who 3.4 fatality" the articles will appear. A .4% IFR would put the deaths over a million (about 1.3) but that assumes that every American is infected and no one can fight it off with a strong immune system and that there is never herd immunity.

Just copy and past the URL in the comment box. I can take it from there.

I am searching it, but all I see is where they stated what the death rate of confirmed cases was in March, and admitted it would change and likely lower considerably. https://www.sciencealert.com/covid-19-s-death-rate-is-higher-than-thought-but-it-should-drop

 

[Wildcats1st]

Read that some guy in Nevada went to a roadside clinic and for the hell of it got a Covid test. They called him at work that it was positive so he leaves work, and on the way home dies in a car wreak.

cause of death, Covid 19. No question in some of these blue states this virus is political.

Is Italy or Spain a blue state? The virus is real it’s not political. It has been politicized but you can clearly see that areas in which it has grabbed ahold of it has decimated. That’s also considering the level of shut down and physical distancing that’s occurred in countries all over the world not just the only place that matters the USA

 

[Coalfield Cat]

While most of your statements are correct, No. 3 is not. The daily death are absolutely going down- right now, closing in on half the daily death totals from peak, per Worldometers.

You are correct, I should have made my point without that statement written as it was; things are bad enough without mis-stating reality. In the past week we are down significantly from the peak which is a very good thing. Our 7-day rolling death count per million has gone from 5.63 at the beginning of May to I believe around 4.2 which is about a 25% reduction. So you are right. While writing that posting I was thinking about the revised modeling from a couple weeks ago that projects an increase in future Covid-19 related deaths as people increase public interactions. But I strayed off that thought and said what I said, which you were right to point out.

 

[bluedom44]

It'll be fun when they push the start of team sports and a whole team ends up getting quarantied and missing their games. How will that work out?

Suppose Calipari, Robic, and 2-4 of our players end up getting corona? What will happen? Won't the whole team have to shut down for 2 weeks in the middle of the season? This stuff is ridiculous. The virus doesn't give a shit about sports or your feelings.

 

[HagginHall1999]

Can you cite this? Also. Are you saying you can't have covid and consume alcohol?

The death rate reported is for confirmed cases only. We can't accurately predict a death rate for something we don't factually know, which is untested asymptomatic people. Eventually they will get a more accurate understanding and be able to better predict that. No one is really disputing it will be much lower than the cofirmed case totals we have now.

No I am saying a .55 BAC is nearly twice the "lethal" death dose of alcohol.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/the-jo...id-complaints-that-it-inflated-covid19-deaths

Stanford Antibody Test
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v2
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...ount-coronavirus-infections-may-be-unreliable
http://med.stanford.edu/pathology/news/test-for-antibodies.html

 

[Titpwhami2014]

People will continue to catch the virus as they don't use precautions like recommend. I see all kinds of people in public not covering up. SMH

I am a cancer survivor, and an overall healthy person. Forgive me if another version of the flu that mostly kills old people does not scare me or encourage me to wear a mask at Kroger. If masks are so effective, the one you wear in public should do the trick as long as I stay six feet away from you.

 

[CatPatrick13]

Can you please cite this? I don't recall the who ever making such a prediction

The flu number is rounded up. Also, only 1 time in recorded history have the flu deaths been above 56,000, and that was in 2017-2018 when it was 80,000. So that 75,000 would become the 2nd worst ever. 0.04% will be more than 4 times than worst seasonal flu. It would put us in the millions of deaths. It won't be that high either. It will be around 0.02, which is still bad and required the precautions we took.

I am not sure which side I fall on for the debate, as I am still learning more each day about Covid. However, it may be a good idea to use good info in your argument. The HK flu in the late 50’s and in 1968 killed in excess of 100k. It also may be a good idea to use percentages of the population instead of numbers, as the population today is much larger that it was back then. I apologize if you were referring only to the seasonal flu, but all information should be included.

 

[WildmanWilson]

It’s a fact that the number of deaths have been inflated. Hospitals are paid more for Covid deaths. Some states are using this to get federal money to bail out their failing economic policies. Democrat run states are being the most drastic with their shutdown policies for this reason.

The flattened the curve wasn’t to lower deaths but to spread them out. It was based on a horrible computer model.

Thw fact remains.... over 99.5 % will not die from this. It’s those that are very old or very bad shape that may die. Most that die may have only lived a short time due to their existing health conditions even without the virus. We can’t destroy our nation by shutting down. If we destroy the economy it will have a much bigger effect than the virus ever could.

 

[drew_ukfan]

Until you pass it to your older family and they're gone. Then how will you feel? Healthy and young?

survival of the fittest

 

[chroix]

The f@$& your feelings crowd sure seems to operate on a lot of emotion. Should work out great for everyone.

 

[ashbergh]

I have cystic fibrosis and my Cf specialist began as an infectious disease specialist. I asked her Thursday to tell me how to explain to people on this board or on social media the difference between Covid19 and influenza. Her response to me was consise. "Ashley, you cannot teach virology in a paragraph. You cannot explain virology to someone who barely passed high school biology."

 

[Lead Belly]

I am not sure which side I fall on for the debate, as I am still learning more each day about Covid. However, it may be a good idea to use good info in your argument. The HK flu in the late 50’s and in 1968 killed in excess of 100k. It also may be a good idea to use percentages of the population instead of numbers, as the population today is much larger that it was back then. I apologize if you were referring only to the seasonal flu, but all information should be included.

Lol, the HK flu wasn't seasonal there big guy, neither was the Spanish flu or other pandemics. We're talking about people who are comparing covid-19 to seasonal flu numbers, not other global pandemics.

 

[Lead Belly]

It’s a fact that the number of deaths have been inflated. Hospitals are paid more for Covid deaths. Some states are using this to get federal money to bail out their failing economic policies. Democrat run states are being the most drastic with their shutdown policies for this reason.

The flattened the curve wasn’t to lower deaths but to spread them out. It was based on a horrible computer model.

Thw fact remains.... over 99.5 % will not die from this. It’s those that are very old or very bad shape that may die. Most that die may have only lived a short time due to their existing health conditions even without the virus. We can’t destroy our nation by shutting down. If we destroy the economy it will have a much bigger effect than the virus ever could.

Can you provide sources for this alleged illegal activity you're promoting?

 

[FrankUnderwood]

He will most likely be just fine.

 

[Lead Belly]

No I am saying a .55 BAC is nearly twice the "lethal" death dose of alcohol.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/the-jo...id-complaints-that-it-inflated-covid19-deaths

Stanford Antibody Test
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v2
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...ount-coronavirus-infections-may-be-unreliable
http://med.stanford.edu/pathology/news/test-for-antibodies.html

Yes, CO even admitted the error and corrected it. Even the people who initiated the complaint are stating they believe the number is still underreported.

The antibody test are currently under scrutiny as well. Not to mention their studies are limited to certain geographic areas to this point, so we don't have any verification as to their accuracy yet. However, I don't think anyone respectable would say there weren't far more infected people than reported, many of whom were asymptomatic. And the mortality rate will drop over time to around 0.02%. Which is still incredibly high.

 

[Blueaz]

Most people haven't had a loved one or close friend infected with symptoms. It's not just the death rate. It's also the long term lung damage it causes. Just because it doesn't kill everyone doesn't mean it wouldn't significantly lower your quality of life. It's bad stuff for a lot of people.

Really?
You already know that a disease, that that has only been with us, LESS than 9 mns, is going to SIGNIFICANTLY lower your quality of life.

oh, I wonder if those poor basketball players will ever play again...

Our lifespans are not that of fruit flies...

 

[WildmanWilson]

Can you provide sources for this alleged illegal activity you're promoting?

How about do your own research. You most likely will not believe anything I post. There are numerous doctors and coroner’s that back this up.

 

[Lead Belly]

Really?
You already know that a disease, that that has only been with us, LESS than 9 mns, is going to SIGNIFICANTLY lower your quality of life.

oh, I wonder if those poor basketball players will ever play again...

Our lifespans are not that of fruit flies...

Lol, would permanently losing 20% of your overall lung function not impact your quality of life?

Jesus man, that giant lump 3 feet above your ass is called your head. Try using it sometime.

How about do your own research. You most likely will not believe anything I post. There are numerous doctors and coroner’s that back this up.

Lol, so no?

I have researched it and can only seem to find debunked conspiracy theories. If you have the smoking guns that prove it, you should post them for all of us to see. That is, if they really exist of course.

Something tells me we won't be seeing any.

 

[CatPatrick13]

Lol, the HK flu wasn't seasonal there big guy, neither was the Spanish flu or other pandemics. We're talking about people who are comparing covid-19 to seasonal flu numbers, not other global pandemics.

For example, the 56-57 HK flu wasn’t seasonal because of the vaccine. If you don’t believe that we will come up with a vaccine for covid, I understand. But again, more bad info from you deteriorates your argument.

 

[Ronwasourlastchance]

Really?
You already know that a disease, that that has only been with us, LESS than 9 mns, is going to SIGNIFICANTLY lower your quality of life.

oh, I wonder if those poor basketball players will ever play again...

Our lifespans are not that of fruit flies...

Lung damage is lung damage. Whether it be from a disease, injury, or smoking it's been around long enough to know I would say. Hope you never experience anyone who goes through this but I did/am. You and many others talk as if it's just the flu because you haven't seen it. Best of luck to you.

 

[TM2013]

Only a very small percentage of cases end up in long-term organ damage. In most cases people experience zero symptoms aka zero organ damage.

 

[Lead Belly]

For example, the 56-57 HK flu wasn’t seasonal because of the vaccine. If you don’t believe that we will come up with a vaccine for covid, I understand. But again, more bad info from you deteriorates your argument.

Lol, WTF are you talking even about? We are discussing about people comparing the seasonal flu to covid-19. We aren't comparing pandemics. What bad info are you referring to?


An influenza pandemic is an epidemic of an influenza virus that spreads on a worldwide scale and infects a large proportion of the world population. In contrast to the regular seasonal epidemics of influenza, these pandemics occur irregularly. There have been five influenza pandemics during the last 140 years, with the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic being the worst; this pandemic is estimated to have been responsible for the deaths of 50–100 million people. The most recent, the 2009 swine flu pandemic, resulted in under a million deaths and is considered relatively mild.

 

[Blueaz]

Lung damage is lung damage. Whether it be from a disease, injury, or smoking it's been around long enough to know I would say. Hope you never experience anyone who goes through this but I did/am. You and many others talk as if it's just the flu because you haven't seen it. Best of luck to you.

I’m sorry you had covid. If you don’t mind... did you already have an underlying lung issue... or smoker?
The two friends that I know, that developed symptoms are both are fine... but that did have a rough time. Neither has said anything about having significant problems going forward.

if you are comparing the “damage” to smoking. Where have you heard this? And we all know that smoking is also dependent on a how much and how long.
You painted with a very broad stroke

 

[CatGotMyTongue]

Yep..just like Magic Johnson.!!Lie w dogs and wake up with fleas.

Prolly a one night stand

 

[WildcatofNati]

Is Italy or Spain a blue state? The virus is real it’s not political. It has been politicized but you can clearly see that areas in which it has grabbed ahold of it has decimated. That’s also considering the level of shut down and physical distancing that’s occurred in countries all over the world not just the only place that matters the USA

Neither Italy nor Spain is a blue state. Both countries are reopening. The polarizing issue here in America today is no longer the lockdown. That's over and done with and history will judge whether it was the right thing to do. The current issue is reopening. Europe, including Italy and Spain, is reopening- in some place more cautiously than in other. Perhaps there is a contingent of Europeans that ludicrously insist that everything must stay shut down forever, or at least until there is a foolproof vaccine, but I am not aware of it. I sure am aware of it here, and it's absolutely political.