Noel signs 1 year deal with Mavs
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Total guess but some major pieces will be moving in the next year or so and that maybe why he signed a short term contract. It would be sweet to see Noel go to LA with possibly Lebron and George and possibly Randle...
I don't know what Noel is thinking, but I'm sure the kid knows what he is doing and it will work out for the best. Noel has too much heart to not become a top frontcourt player in the NBA. To get injured on the play at Kentucky, It was a play you had to show a lot of heart on or it wouldn't happen.
If he did he'd take a massive pay cut from what he was offered by Dallas. He may never get that money back. Lakers rather have Brook though so doubt they go after Noel
He gambled and lost. Only way to make up for it is to have a outstanding year coming up. Dennis Smith jr should be able to help him with that
Not a smart move by him at all. He botched a $17.5/ year offer and ended up signing a $4.1 million one year deal. That's only a loss of $13.4 million.
It's a risky move, but it could still work out well for him.
He will be unrestricted next summer, so every team can negotiate with him day one. This summer, since he was restricted, teams shied away.
Stay healthy and play well, and he could be in line for an even better deal with the team of his choice.
He will be unrestricted next summer, so every team can negotiate with him day one. This summer, since he was restricted, teams shied away.
Stay healthy and play well, and he could be in line for an even better deal with the team of his choice.
Hard to know right now if the Lakers would rather have Brook.
Lakers already have KCP(RP client) on a one year deal, and obviously are angling for Lebron.
I'm not sure they will go after Noel, but it wouldn't be shocking. I don't think he's their first play, but I think he's in play.
I'm not intimately familiar with the cap, but if two or three guys with max contracts go to LA, Noel's not getting that kinda money there. Maybe he doesn't care.
I could see a scenario where Lebron comes to LA, they re-sign KCP, and Noel is the other big contract.
That would involve Lopez and Randle ending up elsewhere.
Their lineup would be Lonzo, KCP, Ingram, Lebron, Noel.
I'm not saying that's their first choice, just that it's doable with Rich Paul as the agent for 3 of the 5.
If that were to happen then the Lakers had a very bad off season. They better not overpay Noel like the Cavs did with Tristan Thompson.
Hmmm. "Lakers acquire Lebron" and "bad off-season" in the same sentence.
Yep. Sounds terrible.
Are they all gonna play for the minimum? The Lakers haven't signed an elite free agent since Shaq, now that they suck they're gonna get Nerlens and 3 max contract guys. Seems reasonable.
At the moment, Noel is just not a player I'd want to give a max contract to. He just has not shown enough, or at least not had the opportunity to do so.
I'm sure he has an agent that makes millions of dollars advising him that knows more than anyone in this thread so I'm sure he'll be okay.
He's not gonna starve but he's probably losing out on some serious money. I wouldn't have offered what the Mavs were willing to give him. He either is deluded, or he is pissed at the Mavs front office for waiting and showing him nobody wants him.
Actually it was a multi year offer that averaged 17 million, so the loss could be much greater.
Max contract be damned, I'd take the 17/4
Yea but sure as I said that someone would bring up that he could still get that much after this season. He'll never make up that $13 million he passed up imo. In fact if he doesn't show some great improvement this season he probably won't ever get another offer like that again which if I were playing the odds is the most likely thing to happen.
He should have taken that offer while he could, his numbers don't deserve that kind of money.
Nerlens has continued to improve. He produced 15/10 with 1.7 blocks and 2.2 steals per 36 last year.
No one else in the NBA put up numbers like that.
Problem is, he only played 51 games at a little over 20 mpg.
He needs to stay healthy and stay on the floor. Do that, and he will get paid. He's too talented not to.
That said, I think he got some very bad advice not taking $70 million when offered. His agent must have thought we would see a repeat of 2016 free agency. Instead, the bottom fell out toward the end.
No one else in the NBA put up numbers like that.
Problem is, he only played 51 games at a little over 20 mpg.
He needs to stay healthy and stay on the floor. Do that, and he will get paid. He's too talented not to.
That said, I think he got some very bad advice not taking $70 million when offered. His agent must have thought we would see a repeat of 2016 free agency. Instead, the bottom fell out toward the end.
We will see.
They signed Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Ron Artest, and re-signed Pau Gasol, Kobe Bryant, Lamar Odom, and others, on multiple occasions. They also signed and traded for Steve Nash, which was essentially Nash signing as a free agent.
Since acquiring Shaq and Kobe in the same off-season, the Lakers had very few off-seasons in which they were targeting any max-level free agents.
That situation did not really arise (where they had both cap room and need) until about 4 summers ago, after Kobe ruptured his Achilles.
They were working against long odds to sign the likes of Lebron, Carmelo, etc., in part because Kobe was injured and eating up one max salary slot.
Free agents knew they would be fighting an uphill battle if Kobe was eating up that much space and needed to produce as a #1 or #2 player.
Now, the deck has been cleared somewhat, and they have young talent.
Accordingly, this next off-season will be the first one in quite some time that the Lakers enter it as an "up and coming" team, with large salary slots available.
They signed a bunch of old washed up dudes at the end of their career. Still haven't signed an elite FA since Shaw, and still can't fit 4 max guys under the cap thru free agency.
If you believe Shaw was an "elite" FA, then Artest qualifies as "super elite".
And you still managed to miss the point, which is that since the Shaq/Kobe summer of 1996, the Lakers have rarely gone into a summer targeting elite free agents in their primes.
This really started in 2013 - AFTER Bryant ruptured his Achilles. And no one is surprised that players didn't want to burn their prime playing with a hobbled Kobe eating up 1/3 of the salary cap.
This coming summer, the Lakers will have young talent, cap space, and won't have significant dead weight eating away at their cap room.
If they fail to acquire FAs next summer, then fine. But right now, you are arguing apples against oranges.
And the 4 max FAs is a straw man. So, congrats on knocking that down.
His former agent tweeted that it was offered and Nerlens passed on it.
It looks like NN was offered $70 mil day one, but asked for the max. At some point Dallas pulled the offer completely.
So by the time NN came around to signing, nothing was available but the QO.
It seems to me that Nerlens made a mistake by not accepting the $70 million, although it probably wasn't unreasonable to believe Dallas would negotiate and up their offer.
The other part is that as a RFA, he was hoping for offer sheets from other teams. But if other teams knew he had a $70 mil offer already, they were reluctant to offer, knowing the floor was $70 mil, and assuming that Dallas would match.
The whole RFA deal is kind of a joke in the modern NBA. Despite rules to the contrary, teams send out signals that they will match any offer. This essentially prevents most RFA's from negotiating in good faith with anyone else.
And it's gotten to the point that anyone who waits out their initial contract until becoming an UFA is considered an idiot. The teams have a lot of power.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/08/revisiting-nerlens-noels-free-agency.html
Mavericks power forward Nerlens Noel headed into restricted free agency with expectations of walking away with an long-term max deal, or something close to it. Instead, it turned into a contentious and drawn-out odyssey, with Noel eventually signing his one-year qualifying offer. He’ll head back into the free agent market next summer as an unrestricted free agent, hoping to the secure the contract he was hoping for this summer.
Noel was offered a four-year, $70MM contract by Dallas when he entered free agency at the beginning of July, Chris Haynes of ESPN confirmed to Hoops Rumors on Sunday, but the Mavericks soon pulled if off the table after Noel – represented at the time by agent Happy Walters – rejected it. That offer was not on the table for Noel later in free agency.
Let’s look at the timeline of events during Noel’s foray into restricted free agency:
JUNE 27: The Mavs tender the qualifying offer of $4,187,598 to Noel, making him a restricted free agent.
JULY 1: Mavs owner Mark Cuban has a “great call” with Noel and puts the $70MM on the table. Noel expresses a desire to re-sign but decides to wait and see what the market will bear. The offer is soon pulled.
JULY 5: The Hawks reportedly show interest in Noel after trading Dwight Howard and allowing free agency Paul Millsap to walk. They ultimately decide not to extend an offer sheet.
JULY 18: Noel and the Mavs remain far apart in negotiations. Walters tells the Dallas Morning News that his client is “very disappointed where things stand” and hasn’t received a “serious offer.”
AUGUST 21: Agitated how the process played out, Noel fires Walters and hires Rich Paul of Klutch Sports. Paul is the agent for LeBron James and John Wall, among many other NBA players.
Typo, it was supossed to be Shaq. The Lakers haven't signed an elite free agent since Shaq. They've been garbage for like 5 years now and still have signed anyone.
The 4 Max guys thing was in reference to the guy who said LeBron, Westbrook, George, and Nerlens to LAL. Lakers fans and Celtics fans are the most delusional fans on the planet.
Kind of like Kentucky fans.
And the point is that other than 2014 - 2016, they haven't been targeting elite free agents (other than their own).
So, the argument that they haven't signed an elite free agent in 21 years, is distorted, because they haven't been trying to sign elite free agents during that entire era, really only for three of those years.
So, the real test is upcoming next season, as they've planned to be a player in next season's FA market.
If they fail next season, then the '96 argument carries more weight.
Right now, it's just a footnote.
Because, if you really want to make the '96 argument, then you have to include that they won 5 titles after that, all between 2000 and 2010.
But hey, let's criticize them for not signing any "elite" free agents during the 11 year period where they won five titles.
