No one talking about the UHC CEO murder?
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lol. What are you trying to argue? What does Bartman have to do with the sympathies expressed for an assassination in healthcare insurance?
I mean it’s not exactly a radical or controversial take that murder is bad and can’t be a precedent, but you’re also arguing with a post of mine where I said it was interesting how many people sympathized. So I’ll ask again. What are you arguing with?
I'm not saying you did. I'm just echoing the point that if we glorify this killer (like the left has been doing the last few days), then it opens the door for any other lunatic to go kill someone they believe, in their own mind, is causing harm to them or the world.
I already saw THREE of the same meme of Musk being a CEO of 4 companies and saying "you shouldn't be allowed to be CEO of 4 companies at once".
I don’t know. Same crew on this board wants to pillow hump everything into a left vs right argument. I don’t care about your roleplaying games
Society didn't do this. One person did. It's murder. Need to find out who paid them to do it. Need to put them away as well as anyone else involved.
If society wants to do something about their situation in a positive way, society needs to stop being lazy, passive, and projecting. This isn't a solution, because the next CEO can do the same thing. Which should bring the following conclusion to mind as a possibility...
Maybe he wasn't killed because of some personal vendetta....?
If there will be a new CEO, then nothing was achieved by his murder, UNLESS the guy was a whistle-blower about to testify about something that a lot of rich people don't want to see come to light. It makes more sense that someone with a lot to lose might have him killed than that someone would stalk him because of a denied claim for their relative. Not likely to be an ideologue either, because an ideologue would know it solves nothing. If it was just "some crazy lone gunman" things don't end like this.
Those types are more likely to do a murder suicide or go public abojt doing it, than just kill someone and wander around not taking credit for it.
We need to stop being lazy and taking the first 2nd, or 3rd scapegoat offered up to appease us. Let's really investigate and force a real investigation of all angles of what was going on here.
It's a ponzi scheme just like Social security. It's a fraud just like the stock market and its relationship with congress.
People just will not accept that certain universities are radicalizing kids. This dude was pretty normal and then got more and more radical. Tons of people out there just like him that only need a reason to act. Cheering this crap on will mean that more people take that step.
You are thinking "liberal" like your run of the mill democrat. These are leftist. This dude was anti-capitalist and Pro Marx. He lived in a commune with hippies and became even more radical over time. The more people keep their eyes closed to this the more it's going to keep happening. Nobody even talks about how many people have been killed by leftist the last decade. It's like once we find out the politics of these shooters we pretend it was just a crazy person doing something crazy.
What did he learn at Penn that made him go out and kill someone in cold blood? From what I've read about him, he had some type of mental break about 6 months ago and his family and friends hadn't heard from him since. This was several years after he graduated from college.
Bill Gates and George Soros... If we are normalizing this stuff.
He went to Penn and then to Hawaii where he fell in with some radically left people. Then moved to San Francisco... not known for their moderate takes... It's a pattern of radicalization. the guys "good reads" list shows a dude getting more and more radical... I'm not shocked he snapped. It's what worries me about ignoring this nonsense. We watched the pro palestine protest attack jewish students and people hid their heads in the sand and pretended it wasn't happening because it was "wrong side" doing the violence.
Dr Jordan Peterson had a debate with a couple guys where he asked "when does the left go too far?" ... Nobody could come up with an answer. Dr Peterson was able to quickly articulate when the right goes to far. He gave a concise list. The left couldn't name one thing that was "too far". That's the problem.
Well, I haven't seen anything about his beliefs vis a vis Palestine, or really anything political other than some reporting that he was "anticapatalist". But the point I was responding to is that you appeared to be blaming the school he went to (Penn) for radicalizing him. Penn, incidentally, is also the school that Donald Trump attended, as did Don Jr. and Ivanka.
Lots of complete weirdos go to the top schools. Remember that psychotic bitch who carried around a mattress because she claimed she was raped? She of course goes by they/them pronouns. And her parents are world renowned psychologists. LOL
I would argue it's significantly easier to get radicalized to be a leftist in the top schools than to go hard right. I have a cousin who went to Stanford and she went way off the deep end left wing. And that would frankly make her probably in a cohort of about 15% of the student population. F'n leftist nerd.
Has she killed anyone? Because that is the idea here - top schools radicalize people to the point they become murderers.
Yea. I watch X so I see videos of kids being radicalized all the time. If you get your news from the MSM I can see why you don't get it. He went to Penn as a normal kid by the accounts I have seen. He left Penn as an "anti-capitalist" and seemed to be moving toward straight up Marxism... then he moved into a commune and then another commune... It's a pattern to me.
It's just weird that we can't even criticize Marxism in America anymore without people defending it. It's wild to me.
And yet another thread goes off into the right wing rabbit hole . . . . same as it ever was
Yea. I like that now we have to show 100's of murders before he will accept "radicalization". I wouldn't even think it's a question at this point other than to what extreme is the radicalization at???
I hope everybody knows I was joking. I don't think she would slice anybody's throat. But if a communist uprising occurred I don't think she bat an eye at us non-commies getting thrown in the Gulags if you know what I mean.
The idea of killing a CEO because of their company is about as immoral as it gets, yet it was cheered on by all sorts of people (not just "leftists") the last couple of weeks, which is appalling. Obviously anyone who would do that is a "radical" so that's not what I'm arguing about. I just don't believe you can blame Penn for that, anymore than we can attribute wherever you went to college for your far right wing political views.
This isn't the place for it, but I'd love to see a comparison of left wing nut job conspiracy theories to right wing.
Near as I can tell, the right's batting about .900 while the left might be .100
And those rabbit holes usually have merit, especially the last few years.
Not that you would be a biased observer or anything . . .
Let me get this straight: This guy killed the CEO because he didn't get the coverage he wanted for his back pain. But his family is worth millions and has the means to pay for whatever extra coverage he allegedly needed. For you leftist creeps, would you be happier had he shot his parents?
I will try to get this thread somewhat back on topic.
Saw a common sense proposal (to me at least) to exclude all basic primary care from health insurance, e.g., annual physicals, annual eye exams, dentist visits, well baby visits, quick visits to Urgent Care for a few stitches, i.e., make all of those basic services cash pay. Would simplify a lot of insurance problems, and encourage regular doctors and dentists to be transparent about what they charge and allow the general public to shop around, not unlike lawyers, engineers, architects, CPAs and other professionals who are all on cash pay basis.
Health Insurance would only pay for really big ticket items, like cancer, serious injuries and the like. Have to believe that would cut down on premiums, while encouraging people to only seek out medical care when they need it, instead of assuming everything is (or should be) covered by their premium.
As an aside, when local doctors found out what insurance we carried (an Anthem policy) a few months back, not only did half of them tell me they would not accept my insurance, they also told me they would not accept cash payments!!! I mean, WTF not??? Had to contact my dermatologist, who I know socially, to end run her office staff so I could get my annual visit scheduled.
Saw a common sense proposal (to me at least) to exclude all basic primary care from health insurance, e.g., annual physicals, annual eye exams, dentist visits, well baby visits, quick visits to Urgent Care for a few stitches, i.e., make all of those basic services cash pay. Would simplify a lot of insurance problems, and encourage regular doctors and dentists to be transparent about what they charge and allow the general public to shop around, not unlike lawyers, engineers, architects, CPAs and other professionals who are all on cash pay basis.
Health Insurance would only pay for really big ticket items, like cancer, serious injuries and the like. Have to believe that would cut down on premiums, while encouraging people to only seek out medical care when they need it, instead of assuming everything is (or should be) covered by their premium.
As an aside, when local doctors found out what insurance we carried (an Anthem policy) a few months back, not only did half of them tell me they would not accept my insurance, they also told me they would not accept cash payments!!! I mean, WTF not??? Had to contact my dermatologist, who I know socially, to end run her office staff so I could get my annual visit scheduled.
I find that an incredibly terrible idea as it will make it so that millions of people simply don’t show up for regular checkups and end up with worse outcomes. In your dentist example millions will simply not show up for their 6 month checkup and simple cavities will be missed and then fester and grow and then those millions will have a need for root canals, extractions, etc etc and also some will have infections and abscesses that require ER visits.
Same thing with doctor visits and cancer for example, as we saw during COVID. If anything, I think insurance is most useful for the small stuff.
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I disagree, millions of Americans still don't have insurance and still don't go to regular checkups, but many millions used to go to the doctor all the time before the ACA and well before wide spread use of insurance, lots of people would save money if the premiums were cut way down.
Anyway, just an idea. Current system is hardly working very well, since our health outcomes are really poor vs. many other countries.
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Of course, not you've already answered, you are right, and have all the answers, so what would a new thread prove?
C'mon, dude....you are smarter than this. If you exclude physicals, basic exams, wellness, etc.....then you are setting yourself up for catastrophic consequences years later, both in sickness and costs due to people being in the hospital. And cash pay?? How is Eastern KY going to pay for a physical (EKG, CBC, etc) out of pocket?
Most plans cover these at no cost now and you want to flip a switch to have people pay for them?
The scared shitless group during covid cancelled a lot of their annuals because they were afraid to leave their basement, and now many have paid the piper due to something not being caught in a screening.
This is about as far from common sense as I can imagine.
Much of our health issues are self induced....not the fault of the insurance company.
Right, but those are the people that have caused a lot of the mess with everything to begin with. Your approach would just simply increase the number of people that don’t go to regular checkups, which results in more serious and worse outcomes in the long run that end up putting burden on our healthcare systems. I think a better approach is to do everything possible to increase regular checkups so that we can catch things earlier when they are much easier and cheaper to take care of
This is the article I was talking about: Health Insurance - what it is and what it isnt
EDIT: Dammit, looks like it is behind a pay wall, written by Kevin Williamson of The Dispatch (who I confess am not familiar with), was in the LHL this AM, if you guys get it.
EDIT: Dammit, looks like it is behind a pay wall, written by Kevin Williamson of The Dispatch (who I confess am not familiar with), was in the LHL this AM, if you guys get it.
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