NIL for Dummies

[AirRaid08]

Maybe a dumb question here, but maybe I'm not the only one but people are afraid to ask.

Can someone break down the issue with the NIL. I thought we had one?

Do we not or is it just ot promoted or advertized well? We have one but not a "collective?"

All this is baffling to me and I justr want to know when I can send in my monthly donation to keep the momentum in football......

Please help us old guys.

 

[Creed Bratton]

Yeah I am a little confused too. It seems they want fans to donate to a collective on top of paying for overpriced tickets and K Fund donations. So if that is the case can the school not do something because they seem to be the one making the money. They get the ticket sales, K Fund donations, revenue from the TV contract etc. They seem to be bringing it on from all sides.

 

[Tf2217]

Take TN for example. Fans can directly donate to the fund. KY fans cannot. I’m not saying drop 10k or nothing but I’d pay 25-50 a month and not feel a bit bad.
my 25-50 doesn’t make a splash but if 500,000 KY fans donate 25 one time that’s 12.5 million.
Get a few big corporate sponsors to throw big chunk in as well.

Matt jones screams NIL this NIL that how much money has KSR bar contributed? They make all their money basically talking about UK sports. Wouldn’t be too terrible to turn a little back loose in NIL.

 

[YaketySax]

Take TN for example. Fans can directly donate to the fund. KY fans cannot. I’m not saying drop 10k or nothing but I’d pay 25-50 a month and not feel a bit bad.
my 25-50 doesn’t make a splash but if 500,000 KY fans donate 25 one time that’s 12.5 million.
Get a few big corporate sponsors to throw big chunk in as well.

Matt jones screams NIL this NIL that how much money has KSR bar contributed? They make all their money basically talking about UK sports. Wouldn’t be too terrible to turn a little back loose in NIL.

Kentucky fans can donate directly to the athlete of their choice.

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[EliteBlue]

Kentucky fans can donate directly to the athlete of their choice.

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This is different than a fund that is used for recruiting though. That’s where we are lagging.

We are doing NIL how it was intended…for existing student athletes. But the rules don’t limit you to that bc it was too vague so other schools are using a collective and boosters to buy recruits which is legalized “cheating (under the old rules)”. If the NCAA had any sense they’d just make a simple amendment stating NIL is for on campus, enrolled student athletes and is limited to business/commercial deals where both parties benefit I.e. advertising/sales/appearances etc

 

[YaketySax]

This is different than a find that is used for recruiting though.

True!!

 

[Dddjdd]

This is different than a find that is used for recruiting though. That’s where we are lagging.

We are doing NIL how it was intended…for existing student athletes. But the rules don’t limit you to that bc it was too vague so other schools are using a collective and boosters to buy recruits which is legalized “cheating (under the old rules)”. If the NCAA had any sense they’d just make a simple amendment stating NIL is for on campus, enrolled student athletes and is limited to business/commercial deals where both parties benefit I.e. advertising/sales/appearances etc

Exactly. I think this is the important point. We have football players on campus making NIL money, I don’t know whether it’s as much as other SEC schools but regardless it exists. I believe the difference is we can’t use it in recruiting while UT and UofL are. So imagine being a recruit and one school says you can have opportunities once you’re here and another school (or its collective/booster/whatever) can tell you a dollar amount before you commit. That’s my understanding of the difference.

Probably also important that UT and Florida and those schools (maybe even UofL) also probably have much larger NIL budgets for football. So even if we played by the same rules their offers might just be flat better which is an additional problem.

 

[mrschwump]

Exactly. I think this is the important point. We have football players on campus making NIL money, I don’t know whether it’s as much as other SEC schools but regardless it exists. I believe the difference is we can’t use it in recruiting while UT and UofL are. So imagine being a recruit and one school says you can have opportunities once you’re here and another school (or its collective/booster/whatever) can tell you a dollar amount before you commit. That’s my understanding of the difference.

Probably also important that UT and Florida and those schools (maybe even UofL) also probably have much larger NIL budgets for football. So even if we played by the same rules their offers might just be flat better which is an additional problem.

We is po'.

 

[Bill Bixby II]

This is different than a find that is used for recruiting though. That’s where we are lagging.

We are doing NIL how it was intended…for existing student athletes. But the rules don’t limit you to that bc it was too vague so other schools are using a collective and boosters to buy recruits which is legalized “cheating (under the old rules)”. If the NCAA had any sense they’d just make a simple amendment stating NIL is for on campus, enrolled student athletes and is limited to business/commercial deals where both parties benefit I.e. advertising/sales/appearances etc

NIL used for recruiting is illegal. You can get together with you buddies put a bunch of cash in a duffle bag and buy recruits that way. NIL is paying a player for their name image and likeness, it is not paying a player for their services.

 

[Bill Bixby II]

Take TN for example. Fans can directly donate to the fund. KY fans cannot. I’m not saying drop 10k or nothing but I’d pay 25-50 a month and not feel a bit bad.
my 25-50 doesn’t make a splash but if 500,000 KY fans donate 25 one time that’s 12.5 million.
Get a few big corporate sponsors to throw big chunk in as well.

Matt jones screams NIL this NIL that how much money has KSR bar contributed? They make all their money basically talking about UK sports. Wouldn’t be too terrible to turn a little back loose in NIL.

We have multiple collectives that you can donate directly to. Why do yall keep making up this stuff?

I know for sure Blue Chips and the 15 Kentucky collective will take your money. There are others also. What is the obsession with spreading misinformation?

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Kentucky fans can donate directly to the athlete of their choice.

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Not sure how that would affect the team. In U's case, WL and CR would likely get 80% of that, maybe they deserve it. But without question the defensive side has out preformed the O this year.

 

[maysvilleky]

NIL used for recruiting is illegal. You can get together with you buddies put a bunch of cash in a duffle bag and buy recruits that way. NIL is paying a player for their name image and likeness, it is not paying a player for their services.

Bill Bixby…you can say it’s “illegal” but it’s exactly what some collectives are doing! The QB for UT has made it known that he’s getting a $8 Mil NIL deal. That’s NIL directly used for recruiting. Who’s stopping them?

 

[Bill Bixby II]

Bill Bixby…you can say it’s “illegal” but it’s exactly what some collectives are doing! The QB for UT has made it known that he’s getting a $8 Mil NIL deal. That’s NIL directly used for recruiting. Who’s stopping them?

So you're saying lets be a dirty program and see if anyone holds us accountable? I can't keep up with the different arguments. First we didnt support NIL, then we didnt allow collectives, then UK and JMI has total control, then UK and JMI take part of the money, now it's Mitch won't let us cheat like others are doing. Well at least that last one is correct.

Maybe take your complaint to the Board of Trustees and tell them Mitch wont allow us to cheat, violate NCAA rules, and state law and dirty programs are passing us up. Since Tennessee is so highly thought of on this board, maybe yall can just pay recruits cash in McDonald's bags like Tennessee too.

 

[TCurtis75]

So you're saying lets be a dirty program and see if anyone holds us accountable? I can't keep up with the different arguments. First we didnt support NIL, then we didnt allow collectives, then UK and JMI has total control, then UK and JMI take part of the money, now it's Mitch won't let us cheat like others are doing. Well at least that last one is correct.

Maybe take your complaint to the Board of Trustees and tell them Mitch wont allow us to cheat, violate NCAA rules, and state law and dirty programs are passing us up. Since Tennessee is so highly thought of on this board, maybe yall can just pay recruits cash in McDonald's bags like Tennessee too.

Keep on fighting Mitch. You’re an idiot and aren’t smart enough to know when to quit. People like you who keep their head up their ass will be the reason UK athletics (especially football) crater in the coming year or two. Go back out to the front porch and yell at the kids to get off your lawn. If the mods had any balls, they would suspend you and your fly by night account that was created less than a month ago. We will be back to the Curry days soon if you have anything to do with it. Go root for another team. No one wants you here.

 

[Bill Bixby II]

Keep on fighting Mitch. You’re an idiot and aren’t smart enough to know when to quit. People like you shutuwho keep their head up their ass will be the reason UK athletics (especially football) crater in the coming year or two. Go back out to the front porch and yell at the kids to get off your lawn. If the mods had any balls, they would suspend you and your fly by night account that was created less than a month ago. We will be back to the Curry days soon if you have anything to do with it. Go root for another team. No one wants you here.

Curry days soon. Best period in modern history but we will back to the Curry days soon according to this mouth breather. Just signed the best class in school history but we will be back to the Curry days soon. Imagine being as stupid as this pathetic goof.

 

[trueblujr2]

What is the BBNIL Exchange they advertise on the big screen in the stadium every game? It's supposed to be a site for businesses to register through that allows players to connect to these businesses for NIL opportunities. Is that not a collective? or is it just a means to get kids connected with opportunities?

We're usually about 3-4 years behind everybody in just about everything football related, it seems until we hit some sort of bottom, then magically come up with something big. We are always reactive late rather than proactive early.

 

[Rockfly78]

So you're saying lets be a dirty program and see if anyone holds us accountable? I can't keep up with the different arguments. First we didnt support NIL, then we didnt allow collectives, then UK and JMI has total control, then UK and JMI take part of the money, now it's Mitch won't let us cheat like others are doing. Well at least that last one is correct.

Maybe take your complaint to the Board of Trustees and tell them Mitch wont allow us to cheat, violate NCAA rules, and state law and dirty programs are passing us up. Since Tennessee is so highly thought of on this board, maybe yall can just pay recruits cash in McDonald's bags like Tennessee too.

I don’t know what he’s saying but I’m saying hell yes. Do it. Pay for recruits. Absolutely nothing will happen. Have you not been paying attention?

 

[Rockfly78]

So you're saying lets be a dirty program and see if anyone holds us accountable? I can't keep up with the different arguments. First we didnt support NIL, then we didnt allow collectives, then UK and JMI has total control, then UK and JMI take part of the money, now it's Mitch won't let us cheat like others are doing. Well at least that last one is correct.

Maybe take your complaint to the Board of Trustees and tell them Mitch wont allow us to cheat, violate NCAA rules, and state law and dirty programs are passing us up. Since Tennessee is so highly thought of on this board, maybe yall can just pay recruits cash in McDonald's bags like Tennessee too.

I don’t know what he’s saying but I’m saying hell yes. Do it. Pay for recruits. Absolutely nothing will happen. Have you not been paying attention?

 

[BluegrassSportsNet]

So you're saying lets be a dirty program and see if anyone holds us accountable? I can't keep up with the different arguments. First we didnt support NIL, then we didnt allow collectives, then UK and JMI has total control, then UK and JMI take part of the money, now it's Mitch won't let us cheat like others are doing. Well at least that last one is correct.

Maybe take your complaint to the Board of Trustees and tell them Mitch wont allow us to cheat, violate NCAA rules, and state law and dirty programs are passing us up. Since Tennessee is so highly thought of on this board, maybe yall can just pay recruits cash in McDonald's bags like Tennessee too.

For one NIL is within the rules now. But personally it is win at all costs for me. Winning is the only thing that matters when it comes to UK athletics and to pretend otherwise is insanity. I'm so damn sick of hearing words like "grace" and "integrity". Just Win Baby.

 

[TCurtis75]

Curry days soon. Best period in modern history but we will back to the Curry days soon according to this mouth breather. Just signed the best class in school history but we will be back to the Curry days soon. Imagine being as stupid as this pathetic goof.

Mouth breather? Is that really the best you can come up with? I know toddlers with more creativity and ingenuity than you. I would stick to coloring and trying to stay inside the lines. That’s more of your speed. And yes, if NIL continues the way it is, we will be back in the Curry days. Now go back to fapping to your picture of Mitch. It’s about all you know how to do.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

This is different than a fund that is used for recruiting though. That’s where we are lagging.

We are doing NIL how it was intended…for existing student athletes. But the rules don’t limit you to that bc it was too vague so other schools are using a collective and boosters to buy recruits which is legalized “cheating (under the old rules)”. If the NCAA had any sense they’d just make a simple amendment stating NIL is for on campus, enrolled student athletes and is limited to business/commercial deals where both parties benefit I.e. advertising/sales/appearances etc

Too late. Tennessee has a state law that allows more. The NCAA doesn't overrule state laws, generally.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Mouth breather? Is that really the best you can come up with? I know toddlers with more creativity and ingenuity than you. I would stick to coloring and trying to stay inside the lines. That’s more of your speed. And yes, if NIL continues the way it is, we will be back in the Curry days. Now go back to fapping to your picture of Mitch. It’s about all you know how to do.

That's Kybassfan. That's his SOP. For whatever reason, he is in love with Mitch and attacks anyone who doesn't toe the line.

 

[Deeeefense]

I found this interesting:

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I found this interesting:

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Interesting but how could that be. Bill Bixby (Kybassfan) assured us Mitch wasn't holding us back.

 

[Bill Bixby II]

Interesting but how could that be. Bill Bixby (Kybassfan) assured us Mitch wasn't holding us back.

He's not, there's a reason you can't say how he's holding us back. I keep asking how he restricts NIL as you guys claim and you keep deflecting. Holding us back, holding us back how specifically? Oh and handcuffs, what handcuffs were on that were taken off?

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

He's not, there's a reason you can't say how he's holding us back. I keep asking how he restricts NIL as you guys claim and you keep deflecting. Holding us back, holding us back how specifically? Oh and handcuffs, what handcuffs were on that were taken off?

I've told you repeatedly. I guess this newest info is just more lies. You are truly pathetic. Go away.

 

[Bill Bixby II]

I've told you repeatedly. I guess this newest info is just more lies. You are truly pathetic. Go away.

"The newest info". Well I stand corrected, UK doesn't support NIL and restricts it by "the newest info". Well it all makes sense now. "The newest info" is really holding us back.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

"The newest info". Well I stand corrected, UK doesn't support NIL and restricts it by "the newest info". Well it all makes sense now. "The newest info" is really holding us back.

Again, you're pathetic.

 

[CB3UK]

I just don't get this notion of fans subsidizing all this. Leave that up to the big money guys. Cost of attendance for a game is already outrageous. I'm not kicking in extra money to pay a kid on top of that. It's absurd.

 

[Bill Bixby II]

Again, you're pathetic.

Maybe, but if I accused someone of something I will be able to explain why I felt that way.

How does UK restrict NIL specifically?

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Maybe, but if I accused someone of something I will be able to explain why I felt that way.

How does UK restrict NIL specifically?

By trying to control everything too much, from collectives to businesses and so on. All Barney needs to do to create a problem is create red tape and some purity filter which is what he's done. You don't have to agree, it's true. You've been shown this and told this repeatedly, now, go back to mommas basement and wait til you're called for dinner.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I just don't get this notion of fans subsidizing all this. Leave that up to the big money guys. Cost of attendance for a game is already outrageous. I'm not kicking in extra money to pay a kid on top of that. It's absurd.

I'm not either, directly at least. I found an article last night that went over the money for jersey sales. I don't remember the site but the jerseys were 140 and players got a whopping 5 out of each, schools got about 10. Businesses and big money collectives is about the only way to do this and that is why UK has to do away with everything they can to make it easier. We don't have enough of either to really compete in football.

 

[Bill Bixby II]

By trying to control everything too much, from collectives to businesses and so on. All Barney needs to do to create a problem is create red tape and some purity filter which is what he's done. You don't have to agree, it's true. You've been shown this and told this repeatedly, now, go back to mommas basement and wait til you're called for dinner.

Collectives are 3rd parties, you just give to them. What red tape is there to give to something UK has no control over? So UK and Barnhart restrict NIL by "red tape" and a "purity filter." This is too funny.

Shit, I asked another question about your nonspecific claim. "Red tape" now. So Mitch Barnhart restricts NIL

 

[Bill Bixby II]

I'm not either, directly at least. I found an article last night that went over the money for jersey sales. I don't remember the site but the jerseys were 140 and players got a whopping 5 out of each, schools got about 10. Businesses and big money collectives is about the only way to do this and that is why UK has to do away with everything they can to make it easier. We don't have enough of either to really compete in football.

UK has to do away with... here comes a specific... "everything they can." Dammit, so close. Well lets hope the do away with "everything they can" and get this ball NIL rolling.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Collectives are 3rd parties, you just give to them. What red tape is there to give to something UK has no control over? So UK and Barnhart restrict NIL by "red tape" and a "purity filter." This is too funny.

Shit, I asked another question about your nonspecific claim. "Red tape" now. So Mitch Barnhart restricts NIL

Yes and UK had approved 2. Mitch was quite proud of his slow and cautious approach. If your limitations can't connect dots, thats your problem, not mine, fanboi.

 

[backinky2018]

This thread proves that people are still confused. UK needs a succinct one stop shop for NIL and a brief explanation of what it is and how fans can support it. They have done a poor job handling NIL and the communication is even worse.

 

[Bill Bixby II]

This thread proves that people are still confused. UK needs a succinct one stop shop for NIL and a brief explanation of what it is and how fans can support it. They have done a poor job handling NIL and the communication is even worse.

It may help if people on this board stop lying and spreading misinformation. BTW, NIL is just name image and likeness, players are now allowed to make money off of their name image and likeness. I'm not sure what one stop shop for NIL means


Collectives are groups who get together and pool money to pay players from their school for their name image and likeness. Collectives are 3rd party organizations independent from the school and you're free to give to whichever one you want.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

It may help if people on this board stop lying and spreading misinformation. BTW, NIL is just name image and likeness, players are now allowed to make money off of their name image and likeness. I'm not sure what one stop shop for NIL means


Collectives are groups who get together and pool money to pay players from their school for their name image and likeness. Collectives are 3rd party organizations independent from the school and you're free to give to whichever one you want.

At UK you're free to give to a collective UK has authorized, only. That is a fact. I bet that is about to change.

 

[Bill Bixby II]

At UK you're free to give to a collective UK has authorized, only. That is a fact. I bet that is about to change.

How does that even make sense? Collectives are independent, I know Mitch Barnhart is a tough guy but he won't beat you up if you give to one. He won't even know. In fact you can start your own collective right now, you as an individual can pay a player for NIL right now without UK being involved. I'm not sure why yall are so obsessed with spreading this misinformation but it is 100% false.

Do you think you would have to go through a NBA organization or NFL organization for an endorsement deal with one of their athletes? That doesn't even make sense.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

How does that even make sense? Collectives are independent, I know Mitch Barnhart is a tough guy but he won't beat you up if you give to one. He won't even know. In fact you can start your own collective right now, you as an individual can pay a player for NIL right now without UK being involved. I'm not sure why yall are so obsessed with spreading this misinformation but it is 100% false.

Do you think you would have to go through a NBA organization or NFL organization for an endorsement deal with one of their athletes? That doesn't even make sense.

Really, explain this comment from Cal.

“I think any program would say they want more. The Yankees probably want more money (laughter). Everybody needs that. I’ll say this without getting too much into it. We’ve worked our way through that as an administration, as an institution, as a program, to find the balance, to make sure it’s right, make sure it’s clean, make sure it’s legal, fair, ethical, moral. We’ve worked through all of that. Our administration has helped us as a program and all of our student-athletes and coaches to get through some of that. And, yes, without making this (news conference) about that today, yes, we need support from the community, from the state, it is what it is. If we want to compete at the highest level, we’ve got to have money in the bank. That’s legal, there’s collectives and we have collectives in place that are supported, that are cleared from our administration (that) you’re allowed to put money into. So, donate.”