Well, the NBA players have to be willing to give up this money. Maybe they aren't, even if we all think they probably SHOULD be giving back to the program that helped them GET these millions.
NIL ''failing'' at Kentucky and players let down-Pharis
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Well, the NBA players have to be willing to give up this money. Maybe they aren't, even if we all think they probably SHOULD be giving back to the program that helped them GET these millions.
I don't think it's an availability of money thing. I think it's an approach. Football seems to be doing just fine with NIL because they have a collective (which basketball does not) and the coaches build relationships with boosters, who then want to give to NIL. Cal's approach is that players will not be guaranteed money from a collective/partner/etc. because being a part of Kentucky basketball will make you money.
It's 100% about approach and football is doing very well with it.
"But there's no hard data to support we are lacking in NIL."
I think a lot of people lie when it comes to this or just have been making up a lot of stuff as always to seem connected or in the know.
If it’s a direct quote from Jacob toppin, probably a bottom 20% player in the Cal era that he can get money I imagine all Americans and high profile transfers would as well.
Who knows really though.
If it’s a direct quote from Jacob toppin, probably a bottom 20% player in the Cal era that he can get money I imagine all Americans and high profile transfers would as well.
Who knows really though.
They are gonna have to cap NIL, this is essentially free agency and the teams with the most money will have the best teams. The cap can still be a fair sum but some of these numbers thrown out are kinda dumb.
How can you cap how much person a player makes off of his name image and likeness? No one even has the authority to do that.
Hmmm...something here looks awfully familiar for someone who started their account 2 days ago.
All the way this.
I screamed it here when the Shaedon Sharpe situation happened. Calipari burned a lot of bridges with that debacle, and I don’t mean national huge-corporation bridges, I mean the local boosters he needs more than ever now.
Add in the fact that Barnhart is adamantly against NIL because it reroutes funds from the athletic department and gives it to students, and you have the full blown disaster we see now.
I replied to your post earlier about the approach to NIL..you chose not to respond. You and I have had this discussion before under your previous name that you used. You can see my posts in this thread around my thoughts on NIL, the UK basketball approach and the UK football approach and how they differ.
Because “approach” is another vague answer. The basketball “approach” somehow got us the #1 recruiting class and the football fans swear up and down we don’t support NIL in football either. No specifics on how we don’t support it of course.
We have one of the most talented rosters in the country, we struggle in the portal because we have one of the most talented rosters in the country. Keshad Johnson went to Arizona because he’s a projected starter at Arizona, not because of our NIL approach. Guys want to to play, talented players aren’t transferring to a school where they have a limited role.
Collectives are independent 3rd parties, UK basketball can’t create a collective.
You really have that limited understanding of fundraising? Do some math. You have a certain number of basketball and football players to buy.each one expecting 4 to 6 zeros. You have a massive following of grassroots fans, most of whom are not rich. A large segment of those fans are fickle and will turn on their program. Corporate sponsors look for stability in the fanbase and a fanbase with MONEY!
Now, add to this, 50 to 100 schools all wanting to buy YOUR players. This gets untenable very quickly. You wonder why it fails? It’s a damn miracle it worked as well as it has. This is going to get a lot worse and will be completely out of control of the school. Welcome to NIL and the portal.
You and both know that NIL dollars for student athletes is not public knowledge, therefore there is no hard data (which I never said there was). You and I also both know that staff's have ways of communicating to a collective about who they are interested in pursuing. You have repeatedly said it's against the rules and laws to do that. Not one program has been punished because of collectives. Not one. So, spare me your old line of me wanting UK to cheat.
Cal has been very forward about NIL by saying, "You talk about name, image and likeness? I don't like to get into that with players, because you don't come to Kentucky (to make NIL money). I call that tripping over nickels. (You come to Kentucky) to try to get to an NBA max contract."
While that might work for the big time high school recruits (and it obviously does with this years class), that pitch of trying to get an NBA max contract and not talking about NIL does not work with guys in the transfer portal. It just doesn't. You mention playing time. In the 2 classes prior to NIL, we got Oscar, Grady, Wheeler, Sarr, Mintz, Toppin and Fredrick via transfer. In the 2 classes post NIL, we got Reeves so far and we have . So, 7 guys pre NIL and 1 guy post NIL in the same timeframe. That is 100% on Cal's approach with transfers It's not a coincidence.
Yes, we both know there’s no hard data. I was replying to the person who said
Mike-D said:
"But there's no hard data to support we are lacking in NIL."
We also both know playing time and role is an issue with most of these transfers. Unless you grew up a UK fan you’re not transering for a lesser role and fewer minutes. Y’all can claim Kansas Arizona and St John have better NIL situations all you want but we all know it came down to having a bigger role and opportunity. A guy who has aspirations for an NBA career isn’t gonna take a lesser role for a few allegedly extra NIL dollars their last year of college.
If I thought my business could benefit from a player through marketing or whatever, I would absolutely do that. But I’m not giving a dime to an NIL collective (or whatever it’s being called).
If a player has value in the market he should now be able (and should always have been able) to capitalize on that if it doesn’t violate any pre-existing obligations (e.g., obligations under his scholarship agreement). Artificially supporting NIL is a long-term mistake in my opinion, and I think doing so should be made improper (probably even illegal). That’s not receiving the benefits of what is available in the market, that’s pay-for-play – otherwise known as a bribe.
If a player has value in the market he should now be able (and should always have been able) to capitalize on that if it doesn’t violate any pre-existing obligations (e.g., obligations under his scholarship agreement). Artificially supporting NIL is a long-term mistake in my opinion, and I think doing so should be made improper (probably even illegal). That’s not receiving the benefits of what is available in the market, that’s pay-for-play – otherwise known as a bribe.
Why did we hire the Beisner guy for that role anyway? He was a tv host / former KSR blogger correct?
He worked with JMI after KSR. He also worked closely with UK and Cal. Easier to take the description from his bio:
Beisner previously worked closely with the Kentucky men’s basketball program and UK Athletics as the director of digital media and content development for UK Sports & Campus Marketing. Beisner was responsible for managing the production and development of University of Kentucky and UK Athletics’ assets and worked directly with university and athletics partners to develop creative storytelling and branded media projects while also managing UK’s official radio and television partners. Under Beisner’s leadership, the UK Sports Network transformed the official television partnership and launched a model that gives Kentucky one of the strongest local television presences in the country.
Cal hired him bc they got close when Beisner ran coachcal.com and ran a lot of his social media content.
California Moves Toward the Next College Sports Disruption: Sharing Revenue With Athletes
The state Assembly has passed a bill that would require schools to pay players, setting off alarm bells for college sports officials around the country.
www.wsj.com
But he left and I don't think they replaced him.
Imo just from purely an observer's view it seems like Cal's viewpoint is these nil opportunities should have to come to UK and essentially bend the knee. Whereas most everyone else aggressively or at least actively seeks out these potential relationships for their program.
The big difference maker is other programs have an nil pool of funds they can show players. Whereas at UK they are promised opportunities will be here but it's based on historical data.
Until Cal's view changes, players will just go elsewhere because they'll have money in hand rather than crossing their fingers hoping it will be ok. That will be especially true for grad/older transfers because they're looking for a cash out since their NBA chances are long shots.
I don’t think he left. I think that was all rumor. He is still listed on the UK website. There has never been anything put out by Cal, UK or Beisner, has there?
Maybe I'm wrong but I was pretty sure I saw announcements before that he was leaving
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