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NBA Finals Game 6

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I was thinking about this earlier, and not sure if this is more of a testament to how spectacular Lebron has been in the finals, or just how overrated GSW is of a (probable) title winner..

But Cleveland is probably a 7th man away from closing out this series tonight. Think about that for a second. You could probably pluck any 6th or 7th (or maybe even 8th) man of any of the other 29 teams and Cleveland would be good enough to win the title. All they really need is a fresh pair of legs which would cut minutes down for the starters, and someone who wasn't an utter atrocity on the offensive end (I don't think anyone is worse right now than Delly on the offensive front)... and that would probably push Cleveland over GSW... essentially a bunch of role-players and cast-offs.. They are just one NBA journeyman away.. from being the all-time worst 12-man squad (13 minus Lebron) to win the title.

Anyways.. NBA Game 6.. Thoughts?
 
I am hoping the Cleveland Lebrons can push a game 7 where they could possibly win, but it is unlikely. The fatigue is really starting to show for the LeBrons. People will continue to rip Lebron for losing in yet another title game. The fact that he won 2 in this series so far is one of the most impressive things I have ever witnessed. For comparisons, this team without Lebron is worse than the 05-06 Lakers without Kobe. Yes, Smush Parker and Luke Walton ect… Here we are in Game 6 of one of the best teams in record wise in the past 10 years in a stacked western conference. Also, Leborn Lost Love Irving and Varejao
 
I have been off this entire series.
Head says Warriors .. Heart says Cavs

Im going 100-99 Cleveland wins on an LBJ buzzer beater
Heck if I know.
 
What's really crazy is that if Lebron hits the final shot in regulation of Game 1, Cavs are up 3-2 and looking to close this out at home. I say after a shitty performance by the supporting cast Sunday, Lebron's teammates hit a few more shots today and Lebron wills them to victory. We're seeing a game 7.
 
To be fair Golden State played pretty horrible the first three games of the series. But lets not ruin the Lebron narrative lol
 
GSW will close it out tonight. I don't expect it to be that close by the second half of the fourth quarter. Cleveland just doesn't have the legs to compete for an entire game. It's a shame they had so many injuries to major players in the playoffs. I kind of liked the GSW all year (didn't really watch them any other that sportscenter highligts really though) but after watching them in the playoffs and finals, I find them to be completely unlikable. They play the foul as much as possible and see if they call it defense. Draymond Green is constantly screaming at or crying to the officials. And Iguodala mocking James the other night was as poor of sportsmanship as you will ever see.
 
Another thing just food for thought. Has anyone actually taken the second to understand how Lebron is able to put up these huge numbers? Make no mistake he wouldn't be putting up these same numbers with Irving and Love playing. It comes down to this and it is super simple. The Cavs are letting Lebron bring the ball down the court and hold the ball for the most part till there is 5 seconds left and he either drives, shoots, or passes. There is no "flow" in this type of offense. Yet this offense lets him get huge offense numbers and assists because he is literally the only ball handler on the court by design.

I'm just playing devils advocate so don't jump on me. I just think the numbers are inflated but impressive no doubt.
 
UKNorse said:
To be fair Golden State played pretty horrible the first three games of the series. But lets not ruin the Lebron narrative lol
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Lebron has put up a historically great performance in these finals. Anyone who tries to discredit that, doesn't know much about basketball. Clevelands defense had a lot to do with those poor performances. Then you have to give GSW credit because they made the necessary adjustments and figured out how to score on the Cleveland defense. Of course, some degree of the dropoff in Cleveland's defense has to be attributed to fatigue.
 
UKNorse said:
To be fair Golden State played pretty horrible the first three games of the series. But lets not ruin the Lebron narrative lol
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Did Curry really play horrible, or is he not *quite* as good as we all thought? Before the inevitable "omg LINE said Curry sucks! Look everyone!", I'm not saying that at all. But is he really a top5 player? Or is he more like a top20 player who benefited from guard injuries all playoffs, Klay Thompson as the best "Robin" any PG could ask for, and a team FINALLY guarding him with the correct game plan? I think Curry has been slightly exposed.

One of the things that bugged me about the Hou/GSW series was that Houston just could not (and sometimes would not) keep a body on him. Curry had like 20 completely uncontested 3's that series. It drove me insane as a Rocket fan. Cleveland puts Dellevedova on him, and he's almost a different player. Give Delly a few more years of experience and stamina, and Curry might still be in trouble... Delly just doesn't have the body to do this for 100+ games a season right now.
 
I wouldn't say they are inflated. It's not like they are running some gimmick, quick shot offense designed to produce huge numbers. They are running a slow down offense that continually puts the ball in their best player's hands, and putting the ball in the best player's hands is what every offense needs to do. It's easily their best chance to win as they need to keep the pace slow due to lack of depth and obviously LeBron having the ball is a better winning strategy than anyone else on the team.

If you want to say it's inflated because it's LeBron and a bunch of suck it's one thing, to say it's inflated by keeping the ball in LeBron's hands is just stupid. Would you rather the Cavs give the ball more to a bunch of mediocre or worse players? I sure as hell don't. If the Cavs wanted to inflate LeBron's stats they would be pushing the tempo as much as possible because more possessions = more stats.
 
I don't know why it slips my mind, but hasn't Delly been the primary ball handler bringing the ball up the court? Not that it doesn't go right to Lebron's hands..
 
UKNorse said:
Do you know anything about Curry @LineSkiCat he puts these numbers up against ANYONE. I can't believe you are seriously trying to knock the soon to be greatest three point shooter the NBA has ever known. Curry is a top 5 player and its not even a discussion.
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Once Curry has put those numbers up for an entire career and not just two or three years, he can be called the greatest shooter of all time. But right now, he has just put up two or three of the greatest shooting seasons of all time. There have been a lot of players in the NBA put up a few years of greatness and fade away. Not saying that will happen to Curry but who knows what will happen.
 
UKNorse said:
Do you know anything about Curry @LineSkiCat he puts these numbers up against ANYONE. I can't believe you are seriously trying to knock the soon to be greatest three point shooter the NBA has ever known. Curry is a top 5 player and its not even a discussion.

I'll leave this link here for anyone who doesn't think Curry is the GOAT three point shooter. http://stats.nba.com/featured/curry_rewriting_3point_record_2015_04_10.html
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You didn't read a single word I wrote. I never said Curry isn't a fantastic shooter. That's not what this is about.
 
You basically just admitted Lebron stats are inflated. 95% of the time Lebron isn't going to have this crap team. Which is the reason why he has these great numbers because he literally makes every single basketball decision until there is 5 seconds left.

No LineSki sometimes he does but like you said it goes right into the hands of Lebron until there is 5 seconds left and he passes or shoots. No flow in the offense. Which I mean it is what the Cavs have to do now that Irving and Love is out but its not ideal.
 
Line you must have not seen Curry dribbling the ball like pistol pete and knocking down ridiculous step back threes making Delly and who ever else that was up in his face look silly all night in game five. He had Delly tripping over himself with his cross over.
 
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Okay Curry went 2-15 in game two. Easily his worst game of his entire NBA career. It was a fluke and the reason why the Cavs won that game and no it wasn't Cavs defense. He missed tons of open shots that he usually drills.
 
Another person who literally just saw what I wrote as "Curry Sucks". Funny how I called that.

Delly is absolutely gassed. He had to go to be rushed to the hospital after game 4 (or was it 3?). It's no coincidence he's been a huge factor in Curry's poor start, and it finally takes a worn out Dellevedova for Curry to find his hot hand. All this was basically said in the post above. Please read it.
 
UKNorse said:
Okay Curry went 2-15 in game two. Easily his worst game of his entire NBA career. It was a fluke and the reason why the Cavs won that game and no it wasn't Cavs defense. He missed tons of open shots that he usually drills.
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Defense absolutely played a role in the 2-15. Is it the reason he missed all of them, no. But when you are having a difficult time getting good shots (as he was in those games) you begin to rush the good ones you get.
 
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I'd have given my right testicle to have Bev in for the Rockets. It's not exactly a rough day at work to play all 4 teams in the playoffs with bad to horrific guard play.. My point is maybe we overrated Curry just a LITTLE bit.

-His team has ZERO injuries, and played 4 teams with MAJOR injuries.
-He has Thompson who's a great shooter and draws defenders, and also guards the other teams best player (so Curry doesn't have to).
-It seems teams are JUST starting to figure out how to guard Steph.. keep a body on him like all great shooters (not that he isn't good enough to beat this 90% of the time, he is).
- He has a team around him where he can afford to play the exact type of basketball he was meant to play: Iso, Iso, Iso, drain 3's, have legit forwards draw players out so he can drive, doesn't have to play tough defense.. Most star players can't say they have the team that suits them THIS well.

I'm just saying, maybe top8 player? Or is it written in stone that he's officially top5 no matter what?
 
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Who would you put ahead of him? Who would you add or remove from this top 5? I don't even care about the order. Who else would you add or remove.

Elite Group = Lebron, KD
Superstars = Curry, Westbrook, Harden, Davis
 
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Golden State is the best opponent the fighting Lebrons could have asked for. The way GS has looked this series I think San Antonio or LA would have beat them in the WCF, and both of those teams would have been much more of nightmare match ups for The Cavs. It is all about matchups and this one was as favorable a one as the depleted Cavs were going to get.
 
UKNorse said:
Who would you put ahead of him? Who would you add or remove from this top 5? I don't even care about the order. Who else would you add or remove.

Elite Group = Lebron, KD
Superstars = Curry, Westbrook, Harden, Davis
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Without a doubt Lebron, Davis, KD are ahead of him. Curry is 4th at absolute best in my book.You could make a strong case for Westbrook, Harden, and to me, I would put both ahead oh him.
 
UKNorse said:
Who would you put ahead of him? Who would you add or remove from this top 5? I don't even care about the order. Who else would you add or remove.

Elite Group = Lebron, KD
Superstars = Curry, Westbrook, Harden, Davis
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Chris Paul should be in that mix somewhere. Your 6 plus CP3 are your top 7 at the moment.
 
Aike said:
Chris Paul should be in that mix somewhere. Your 6 plus CP3 are your top 7 at the moment.
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I left off CP3 because I honestly felt like he had a top 3 team the last two years and again led the Clippers to NOWHERE. For the most part 95% of the time point guards don't lead teams to championships. It has always been a wing or a center. Now this year is different Curry is 1 game away from winning it all.
 
I'm a Rockets fan but I'm taking Harden all day long. What he did with an injured team all year, going to WCF, was an incredible feat.

Speaking on THIS year alone? Harden.
 
What did Curry do with the exact same team last year? Wasn't it a first round flame out? So we count that against CP3 but not Curry?
 
Am I on a Davidson forum and I just don't realize it? Why are we making excuses for Curry yet holding other players to higher standards? What has Curry done for his team before this season, a season in which they walked to the Finals over hemorrhaging teams.
 
UKNorse said:
I left off CP3 because I honestly felt like he had a top 3 team the last two years and again led the Clippers to NOWHERE. For the most part 95% of the time point guards don't lead teams to championships. It has always been a wing or a center. Now this year is different Curry is 1 game away from winning it all.
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By the numbers, CP3 is still a top 5 talent. Also, he had a terrific starting 5 this year, but their bench wasn't the greatest.

He also played all 82 games this season, and probably is in the Western Conference Finals if he doesn't pull his hamstring. Should have been there.

Swap Paul for Curry, and it's Paul playing for the title tonight. Swap Westbrook and Curry and you probably get the same. GS is deep and loaded with talent.
 
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Aike said:
By the numbers, CP3 is still a top 5 talent. Also, he had a terrific starting 5 this year, but their bench wasn't the greatest.

He also played all 82 games this season, and probably is in the Western Conference Finals if he doesn't pull his hamstring. Should have been there.

Swap Paul for Curry, and it's Paul playing for the title tonight. Swap Westbrook and Curry and you probably get the same. GS is deep and loaded with talent.
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If you swap Paul for Curry GSW wouldn't be in the finals... most of what GSW is able to due is due to Curry outstanding three point shooting. I'd actually bet if you do that swap Clippers are in the finals not GSW.
 
UKNorse said:
If you swap Paul for Curry GSW wouldn't be in the finals... most of what GSW is able to due is due to Curry outstanding three point shooting. I'd actually bet if you do that swap Clippers are in the finals not GSW.
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Chris Paul shot 40% from three with around 140 makes. You aren't talking about some chump.
 
Paul's defense is probably not as needed on a team with Thompson, Iggy, and Green.. but he absolutely has the talent to take GSW to the finals. So does Harden (with little defense lol), So does Wall, So does Westbrook..

Actually, I'm not sure what starting PG wouldn't be here with GSW. That teams is incredibly good.
 
LineSkiCat said:
Paul's defense is probably not as needed on a team with Thompson, Iggy, and Green.. but he absolutely has the talent to take GSW to the finals. So does Harden (with little defense lol), So does Wall, So does Westbrook..

Actually, I'm not sure what starting PG wouldn't be here with GSW. That teams is incredibly good.
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I doubt Jeremy Lin could have pulled it off...
 
You shut your mouth! I fully expect the Rockets to take a 3rd stab at him this off season..

Yes, there are several #1 PG's that couldn't hack it.. haha... but damned if there aren't 10-15 who would be right here with GSW's lineup (and finals path, that's a big part of this).
 
LineSkiCat said:
You shut your mouth! I fully expect the Rockets to take a 3rd stab at him this off season..

Yes, there are several #1 PG's that couldn't hack it.. haha... but damned if there aren't 10-15 who would be right here with GSW's lineup (and finals path, that's a big part of this).
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As a Laker fan, I would love to see Lin back with the Rockets.
 
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