The 0 percent is because I don't think he will apply for it. Not that he has a 0% chance of getting it if he applies. There was a division II or III athlete 10-15 years ago that had played almost exactly 30% of his team's games (was in that 29-30% area) but was denied the medical redshirt. My point, which obviously wasn't well composed, is that it is almost guaranteed that Poythress will not be back next year. Not that there wasn't a possibility that he would be back. A lot of things are possible but that doesn't mean they are likely. Since someone stated post-season games count in the percentage of games, I think that Poythress would probably get the medical redshirt if he applied.
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The 0 percent is because I don't think he will apply for it. Not that he has a 0% chance of getting it if he applies. There was a division II or III athlete 10-15 years ago that had played almost exactly 30% of his team's games (was in that 29-30% area) but was denied the medical redshirt. My point, which obviously wasn't well composed, is that it is almost guaranteed that Poythress will not be back next year. Not that there wasn't a possibility that he would be back. A lot of things are possible but that doesn't mean they are likely. Since someone stated post-season games count in the percentage of games, I think that Poythress would probably get the medical redshirt if he applied.
As for the players Jones mentioned. I would hate to see them go but would understand their decision if they decided to leave. Assuming the incoming freshmen are as good as advertised, they are probably going to see their roles reduced. But depth is always a good thing to have, especially with experienced players.
Man, are you ever moving the goalposts around. Your first post flatly declared that he was "out of eligibility and gone no matter what." Then someone points out that's not necessarily true because of the medical redshirt rule. You respond to that with post clearly suggesting his chances of being granted a medical RS are zero. Then someone points out that's not true, he actually has a very very good chance if he wants it. So you now respond to that with "Umm ..well ..I really mean't he'll choose not to apply for it.."
You'd look better just admitting you were originally mistaken than changing your story in every post like this.
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Count me as being disappointed if we were to lose a SR to a grad transfer, underclassmen fine, transfer but a SR? Havent seen dook,ku or unc lose guys like that, seems like a bush league move IF UK were to do that to just free up a ride. Something you do at Memphis not at UK.
You are right. I just reread all my posts. On my original post I didn't think he was eligible for the medical redshirt, I thought he played more games than that. Then I saw he didn't play more than 30%. I never said he had zero chance of being granted a medical redshirt. I was trying to say he has basically a zero chance of being here on medical redshirt next year. Makes no sense for him to come back. Graduated, completed masters, and can't improve his NBA stock.
I should add I didn't realize I was waffling, or moving the goalposts as you stated, so much. Sometimes what you say and what you remember saying, aren't exactly the same thing. Should have reread my posts sooner.
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Willis is best big man right now and Hawkins has played great . when he has played, the next yr team is still freshman and we will need experience , they will still will have another yr they can play.
In agreement that I'd probably want Willis back the most. High-energy and can shoot the 3. He'd be great off the bench and if he keeps getting minutes this year (and not making mistakes) could be pretty important next year.
Harder situation for Lee. SKJ is in similar mold, and there's no way Bam and Gabe and possibly Bolden don't sop up a lot of front court minutes. If I were Lee, I'd just bust my ass the rest of the year and shoot for the draft. He could have all the minutes he wants this year, while he may only get 10min next year. Now's the time, Fella.
Hawkins is improving, just not at the rate Lee is. It's kind of inverse for him: not a lot of minutes to come by this year, but next year we'll be front-court heavy, and he may have a bigger role.
Harder situation for Lee. SKJ is in similar mold, and there's no way Bam and Gabe and possibly Bolden don't sop up a lot of front court minutes. If I were Lee, I'd just bust my ass the rest of the year and shoot for the draft. He could have all the minutes he wants this year, while he may only get 10min next year. Now's the time, Fella.
Hawkins is improving, just not at the rate Lee is. It's kind of inverse for him: not a lot of minutes to come by this year, but next year we'll be front-court heavy, and he may have a bigger role.
If Willis could work on playing the small forward position over the summer for next year, I think it would increase his value on next years team even more. Especially learning to use his length and athleticism to defend smaller quicker players on the perimeter. With the bigs we have coming in, I don't know that there will be much of a role at the 4 position for him next year. I think Hawkins could always have a role on a Calipari coached team because he does the one thing Cal stresses the most well. He defends. Lee is a much more effective player when you pair him with a 4 that can score. Lee's game is based on effort and athleticism and not skill. I don't know if any of the bigs we have coming in are great offensive players, I haven't got to see any of them play. If Skal was as gifted offensively as advertised, I think Lee would complement him well but it hasn't worked out that way. Would love to have all three back.
As another poster mentioned if Hawkins , Ullis, and Briscoe all left we would only have three guards in Fox, Monk, and Matthews. 3 guards isn't enough in case of a serious injury. Likely Hawkins waits to see if all three guys leave. If he was the 5 guard in a 5 guard rotation then he should transfer otherwise he is going to get legit minutes!
Whether it's "bush league" or not, the hard truth is Cal might not have any other choice. We're oversigned and at least four scholarship players have to leave to clear room for our recruiting class. If four don't leave voluntarily someone might have to be pushed out.
We have 13 scollies counting EJ's. We get that one back and Alex's, and Murray is for sure gone so that is 3. With that scenario, there are only 10 real scholarship players. Add the four
and another big, we would need 2 to leave which depending how some play and finish could easily happen.
If he continues to be effective like that then he will play a lot more this year and some next year . But this is his one good performance in two and a half years , maybe it was the right matchup or has he turned a corner ? We'll find out as things go forward but if he can't crack the rotation this year then I give him little chance of doing it next year . He is a junior that has a gaping door of opportunity to walk through , I'm tired of seeing posts of how good he is , show me .
agreed and agreed
but afraid not - if it hasn't yet, don't think he's going to All we can hope for right now is that he'll have his few games and we fill in the gaps other times. He has done well in the tourney though, so...
I really hope those three come back, especially Willis and Lee. Willis has the third highest PER in conference play only behind Ulis and Murray
Some have overstated his worth in the past but he wasn't close to being a Top 100 recruit. I wouldn't have wanted to have to compete with the talent that he has had to compete with. It's actually a testament to him that he didn't transfer like so many on here wanted him to do every year including this one.
Fox - 30 mpg
Monk - 30 mpg
Gabriel - 25 mpg
Bam - 30 mpg
Bolden - 25 mpg
That leaves 60 minutes/game for bench players.
SKJ - 10 mpg
Matthews - 15 to 20 mpg
Hawkins - 15 to 20 mpg
Willis - 15mpg
Rest of the team - 5mpg
It could happen. I'm not seeing the need to already start fantasizing about reasons why Willis/Hawkins should leave, especially when they're both rotation players this year (when Hawkins has been healthy, he's played).
Maybe they prefer winning a title, being with their friends, and playing for a state that loves them over 10 minutes more/game.
Monk - 30 mpg
Gabriel - 25 mpg
Bam - 30 mpg
Bolden - 25 mpg
That leaves 60 minutes/game for bench players.
SKJ - 10 mpg
Matthews - 15 to 20 mpg
Hawkins - 15 to 20 mpg
Willis - 15mpg
Rest of the team - 5mpg
It could happen. I'm not seeing the need to already start fantasizing about reasons why Willis/Hawkins should leave, especially when they're both rotation players this year (when Hawkins has been healthy, he's played).
Maybe they prefer winning a title, being with their friends, and playing for a state that loves them over 10 minutes more/game.
I love how some of our fans never include any non-expedient reasons for kids wanting to stay at UK. If it's not a sure-fire second round pick leaving because "his stock will never improve", then it's a fringe three star finding a better opportunity to play ten more minutes/game at a mid major that loses 15 games somewhere as opposed to winning a national title as a senior.
Yeah I'm with you as in hoping he gone. But I'd be mad as hell if he got another year of eligibility and went to Louisville and tore it up. That seems like something that would happen lol. But we do need somebody to transfer IMO because I hope we add 2 more to the class. We need Bolden and hopefully we could get a 5th year transfer who could come off the bench and light it up.
My dream scenario would be for Ullis and Willis to return. Despite the haters, Willis is one of the better players on this year's team (albeit, due to lack of competition in the front court).
I just don't know how the scholly situation would work out. We also have Mathews, who I think has a very bright future here and would contribute more than Hawkins, but I also don't want to run off a senior from Kentucky.
Luckily, I'm not the head coach and don't have to worry about these things. Regardless of how things work themselves out, we will have a title-contending team next year and that's worth noting.
I just don't know how the scholly situation would work out. We also have Mathews, who I think has a very bright future here and would contribute more than Hawkins, but I also don't want to run off a senior from Kentucky.
Luckily, I'm not the head coach and don't have to worry about these things. Regardless of how things work themselves out, we will have a title-contending team next year and that's worth noting.
I just can't get over the Lee is going pro mess...he's not a next level player but on college level is a productive kid with his length and energy. Why do we want to see him move on to only have a less experienced PF/C (SKJ, Tai) play and not be as effective as Lee already is?
The question to me is: Why keep Skal around vs. Lee? Do we really believe Skal will out produce Lee on that stacked of a roster next year? Let Skal go with his potential before we try to move out Willis/Lee who actually produce right now
The question to me is: Why keep Skal around vs. Lee? Do we really believe Skal will out produce Lee on that stacked of a roster next year? Let Skal go with his potential before we try to move out Willis/Lee who actually produce right now
LOL Poy aint coming back to backup up superior players. Bam would show Poy how a 6'9 240lb freak of nature is supposed to play.
My personal version of hell is having poythress on the floor with Ulis, Monk, and Fox next year messing up what is promised to be beautiful basketball - ThroughBlue.
This was the best post I've ever read anywhere. LMAO
This was the best post I've ever read anywhere. LMAO
This thread says it all.
When we don't have veterans, we get pissed at Cal for not recruiting quality four year players.
When we do have veterans, we create reasons for why they should transfer.
Only in Kentucky, where bipolar and winning go hand-in-hand.
When we don't have veterans, we get pissed at Cal for not recruiting quality four year players.
When we do have veterans, we create reasons for why they should transfer.
Only in Kentucky, where bipolar and winning go hand-in-hand.
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