You aren't kidding. Many people have no shame or sense of public responsibility these days. Everyone has an excuse and everyone wants someone else to get it done for them.
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Matt Jones regarding the NIL at UK.
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Poor guy has trouble with NIL due to… whoever Matt Jones is warring with at the time. First JMI was holding him back, now it’s Cal.
From what I understand our athletes cannot use or wear the logo or sports gear while doing NIL unless they pay JMI. Say Reed gets a car commercial at Toyota south. He can’t wear anything associated with UK in the commercial without paying JMI. Most paid public appearances they would love to be in uniform.
That’s applies to every school in the country and every pro team too. Matt Jones can sell his sheep any lie. If Reed gets drafted by the Houston Rockets and they want to use the Houston Rockets logos in a commercial they have to pay too. A common practice everywhere and Matt Jones convinced his sheep that it was a UK issue to get back at JMI when they no longer allowed him to freeload off the program.
This isn’t true for colleges that own their own rights I’ve been told. To help with NIL the college can say go ahead and wear it guys. It helps NIL. It’s up to the college. That’s one way the school can actually help with NIL. With Sold rights, JMI doesn’t care about NIL. Houston owns their own rights. If the organization wants to let a player wear a uniform during a commercial they can. Our guys cannot. The university has no say. They sold that say.
Whoever told you that about Houston is wrong.
Texas state law requires that if a student athlete wants to use a school’s logo as part of an NIL deal, the school must be compensated in an amount consistent with market rates.
You are not getting it. That means Texas schools own their own rights. I’m not saying the athletes can use the logo without permission from the school. The school owns that logo. The school can let that athlete use it for zero dollars if they want. They can’t use it, and have to pay for it if the school wants them to. Florida I believe is one school that is allowing their athletes to use it as an NIL incentive. They must get permission tho. Kentucky is a whole different ball game. We don’t even own our logos. Our school can’t give permission because we don’t own it. JMI does. We sold it years ago. I really can’t explain it any easier. If Texas law says their schools can’t give their logo away if they own it then I guess they can’t. I really find it hard to believe they passed a law about NIL that quickly. What it probably says is people can’t use it without permission. That was probably in effect before NIL. Texas is not a state I would think to pass laws hurting NIL for sports. A&Ms cheating is how we got where we are.
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No they can’t use the logo for free. Texas law requires that Texas schools be paid. And the revised Texas NIL law was just signed into law this past summer. It amended the prior NIL law which previously said athletes were banned from using school logos in NIL activities, even if the school wanted to grant permission.
As to Florida, they have the same type of MMR deal as UK, it’s just with Learfield instead of JMI. The Florida NIL Collectives have signed sponsorship agreements with Learfield. Any business who is engaging in a legimate NIL deal with an athlete would also have to sign a licensing deal with Learfield and pay for use of Florida’s logo in any advertisements. And if an athlete wants to promote any co-branded merchandise (e.g., shirts), Florida has set up partnerships with specific vendors that the athlete would use so that the school collects royalties via their agreement with CLC.
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Thanks for that research. That shocks me Texas would pass that law. Mizzou is passing laws to pay high school kids, Florida too. I have read some schools are letting athletes use it for inducement to NIL. Do you know which schools?? Thank you for not being snippy with your facts. I read things, don’t fully commit them to memory and move on. Then I’m like?? I read somewhere schools are doing this.
Houston has recruiting classes ranked in the 70’s even if they “help with NIL”. It’s funny how it was a huge talking point and was destroying Kentucky football, nothing has changed, but it is no longer an issue. Just another example of the control Matt Jones has on this fanbase.
I don’t listen to KSR but my thoughts would be someone who is paid to cover the program would have more knowledge than an average fan on a message board. I live in America and know people and corporations have agendas though. I miss the America where you have some idea of what to believe. I try to take everything with a skeptical view? What’s their angle? Sad
The world will shift yet again with the revenue sharing program. The alcohol sales revenue is kind of a different animal. I think it would have to take a twisted route to be used for NIL unless the players were beer spokespeople.
They need to make the players employees. All this NIL nonsense is just pay for play with a pinch of endorsements for name image and likeness.
Stoops article on On3 today concerning NIL is depressing to me. As I thought, we trail in resources, both people & money, to deal with it.
What is yours since you apparently agree it's a problem.? Otherwise I'd think you'd state it isn't & why it's not.
I don't think there is one unless there's some type of contract with the athletes that limits NIL, similar to NFL & NBA salary caps. Without that, I think we're doomed to be on the lower end of NIL per SEC school & thus team strength. We - wealthy alumni, fan base - just don't have the resources many/most SEC schools as as I first stated. It's why Stoops seems so frustrated. Unlimited NIL makes CFB more like MLB where the biggest markets have the highest salaries & most often win.
Now if Elon became our major donor, then we'd be OK.
IMO, If the AD n athletic dept would have been proactive instead of dragging their feet on this we’d been competitive n not so far behind!
UK needs to hire a full time NIL staff n get with it…
My solution has been to renegotiate deals with major sponsors. Take less money that goes to the athletic department and ask those sponsors to redirect some of those funds to NIL.
You evidently think it’s a problem, as you said it depresses you. I just asked what you proposed as a solution. If there is no solution, so be it.
I gave a good bit of money for my years of getting season tix. I even donated my ticket money for the Covid year when I only went to one game. While real NIL makes sense, I am not paying players to play. If the system remains the same, I will probably drop college sports as a spectator/consumer. I don’t see a fix and it appears some don’t see a problem, so I am not complaining. Just stating my opinion.
We have a thread on the basketball forum about winning a hypothetical lottery jackpot. Hundreds of millions of dollars (post tax) in the hypothetical, but many of the respondents claim they wouldn't give a dime to fund NIL. To me, that's pretty telling how people feel about the whole concept.
Ideally, you would be bringing players into your program in hopes that they become millionaires who donate back and just perpetually grow the financial reach of the program. People just aren't buying into the worthiness of this cause anymore, if they ever did. Players looking for the highest cash grab are seen as selfish, so you can't really fault donors for being a little "selfish" themselves in wanting to keep their hard-earned money.
People would probably complain less if you just tripled ticket prices to fund NIL instead of asking for a straight-up donation for the same thing.
Ideally, you would be bringing players into your program in hopes that they become millionaires who donate back and just perpetually grow the financial reach of the program. People just aren't buying into the worthiness of this cause anymore, if they ever did. Players looking for the highest cash grab are seen as selfish, so you can't really fault donors for being a little "selfish" themselves in wanting to keep their hard-earned money.
People would probably complain less if you just tripled ticket prices to fund NIL instead of asking for a straight-up donation for the same thing.
It would be good to know how much former players have donated to the school and to UK NIL. Did Josh Allen just give the NIL fund a big signing bonus boost? How about all of those NBA players? Seems UK basketball could run NIL on the donations of NBA players alone.
Last year when the previous BB coach would pound his chest and comment that: "UK players have signed bonus contracts of over a BILLION dollars, I thought to myself....why can't these guys shoot like 1% back to UK?" And who knows, maybe they do or some have but we've never heard about it.
This is why a middle of the pack SEC program is our ceiling. Fans love to blame everyone else but we’re a bottom feeder program in the SEC when it comes to fan support.
A middle of the pack SEC team means you’re top 25 on a yearly basis. I’m fine with that. I just don’t want to pay a slightly above average coach as the 8th highest paid coach in the country to win 6 or 7 games a year. There are a whole lot of coaches that can win 6 games a year at UK for half the price of Stoops (with a lot less lecturing)
Jamal Mashburn gave back millions.
Many other SEC schools have agreed with you. They have hired new coaches only to find out hiring a new coach didn’t fix the problem. Now, they’re in a vicious cycle.
Fla, Ark, MSU, Aub, Tx AM, and UT have all hit the “new coach” cycle in last couple years. Fla and Ark coaches are close to getting fired, Aub is in year 2, while MSU & TAm are starting over. UT’s coach may be the only one still with program 2 years from now. (That’s not counting Beamer, who is one more year away from possibly getting tossed out of SC).
I don’t mind at all to overpay for stability! UK will always face an uphill battle in football. If Stoops can continue recruiting the way he is and continue hitting home runs in the transfer portal, then keep overpaying him! We all know much of what I mentioned depends on NIL. NIL will always be huge component regardless of who’s coaching!
Very true. The shelf life of a college football coach on the average is very short:
This is a bit dated but I think these trends still probably exist in todays environment if not worse.
Your new head coach will probably be gone within 4 years
It’s time to start saying goodbye.
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