Louisville

[Dontworryboutit23]

Honest question but why are people hyping up Louisville for. I’ve seen some media members have them higher than Kentucky and hype up Cunningham. I’ve watched Louisville and they aren’t doing anything impressive until they massively improve in the trenches. And with Cunningham he is the definition of good stats versus bad competition

 

[SpamburgerHamburger]

Just guesses and speculation. Few good recruits, not a hard conference, any improvement and they'll win more games than last year. Don't worry about it.

 

[Dontworryboutit23]

Just guesses and speculation. Few good recruits, not a hard conference, any improvement and they'll win more games than last year. Don't worry about it.

I just don’t get the hype with them, Cunningham is good not great. Those good recruits are going to need lines to protect them and get pressure. I guess we will just have to let Kentuckys play against Louisville do the talking

 

[trentrobinson9]

Derek Terry had a great tweet, people hype up Cunningham but Levis had more rushing touchdowns in three quarters against Louisville than Cunningham has total touchdowns in 3 games against us

 

[trentrobinson9]

 

[billoliver40]

I tend to think it's the conference. The class they have lined up next year looks impressive if they all stick. It seems the lines are just smallish to me.
In the ACC as it stands, they could well get 6 or 7 wins.
They could also get 4 or 5.

 

[Nightwish84]

ACC predictions last year had Louisville low on the conference totem pole, which ended up being accurate. I think it's a combo of the media liking Satterfield, Cunningham doing a Lamar impression last year in a few games, and hey, somebody has to be middle of the pack in a pathetic ACC. Still odd that Steele has them top 35 while Vegas I believe has their over/under win total at 5.5. If they have less injuries, shore up some dumb mistakes and their D is slightly improved, they'll go 7-5. I truly don't get the hype, but if you've got a QB that can make big plays and a Mayberry-like coach the media likes, there will be false buzz created.

 

[The-Hack]

I truly don't get the hype,

I think some of it may be returning starters. I don’t have the numbers available, but they return a lot of last years players.

But that can be a misleading statistic: a returning undersized DE or DT is still likely undersized.

 

[vhcat70]

Why should I care anymore than about Oregon? Just more forum pollution. Honestly think people dong this are primarily LV fans.

 

[Cotaay]

Good, their fans have convinced themselves that they are a national power in both sports this off season. Always fun to watch them come crash back down to reality. Maybe we will be up 45-7 sometime in the 4th quarter again this year.

 

[Woodrow_Call_1998]

Little brother better be worried about what’s going to possibly happen in the near future A lot of speculation that the SEC and Big 10 are forming super conferences. I’d say they have no chance of getting into either one.

 

[NoDef]

I can't remember the last time that UofL wasn't overhyped. Most of the time the "experts" go into the season predicting that the UK game will be a win for them. Then when the spread comes out they always have them beating us or playing a competitive game and it's ended up in lopsided UK wins the last few years. People have made a lot of money betting on UK the last few years because it's been easy money.

 

[Cobb4uk]

Seems that UofL and USC East always get the favorable press.

 

[Dontworryboutit23]

Why should I care anymore than about Oregon? Just more forum pollution. Honestly think people dong this are primarily LV fans.

That’s what a rivalry is, I’m not a Louisville I hate them, was just curious why some were high on them

 

[backinky2018]

The "experts" love UL every year, as Phil steele has them ranked higher than UK again despite UK owning the trenches every year.

Just remember that the REAL EXPERTS (vegas) have the over / under for UL wins at 5.5. This is a much more realistic view for them.

 

[kyleb740]

They should be better than last year. The question on offense will be their WRs and if Cunningham can ever take that next step. The defense will be better. They got a decent DL transfer from Arizona St and they get some guys back who were injured most the year. The defensive question will be on their secondary outside of Clark.

Looking at their schedule I’d say away to UK is their 2nd toughest game behind away to Clemson. So a borderline top 25 team is their 2nd toughest game. NC State is supposed to be decent but they get them at home. I think it’s just that in the ACC you get a bunch of mediocre teams and one will breakthrough each year. Last year it was Wake.

 

[VT/UK Rondo]

The experts aren't going by a OOC matchup or past matchups, they are basing predictions on conference play. Unless the wheels fall off early, UL could be undefeated by their bye week and a top 25 team. Pitt and WF are a toss up so UL could realistically be undefeated when they face Clemson for what should determine the Atlantic division Champion. Clemson has a shaky QB room and new coordinators so who knows.
I'm not sure why UK fans want UL to struggle. If they are undefeated and top 10 when UK beats them it only shows the strength of UK and the SEC. UT and USCe are much more concerning.

 

[Cotaay]

Cunningham passed for 3,000 yards and rushed for 1,000 last season, how much better can he really be? Without him they may have won 2 games.

 

[Rockford]

I seem to remember UL lost two of their top WR to the portal.

I don’t think they had better players behind them.

 

[southindycat]

Lots of football media types pandering to Tom Jackson and Lee Corso... 🤣 Because people do that regularly! 🤣🤣

 

[hmt5000]

Cunningham passed for 3,000 yards and rushed for 1,000 last season, how much better can he really be? Without him they may have won 2 games.

I thought they lost their top 3 wr's and their best ol? it wasn't like they were deep. They really think he's gonna better that?

 

[Lamar Card]

I thought they lost their top 3 wr's and their best ol? it wasn't like they were deep. They really think he's gonna better that?

They lost the most productive receiver to Ole Miss. The receiver that went to Alabama is fast, very fast, but was not very productive. He supposedly felt it was the offense that limited him and that is why he left.

The internet board rumor was that he was going to Bama...... that rumor was two days before he entered the portal. Very shortly after entering the portal he committed to Bama.

The best offensive lineman is returning.

Sporting News latest to select Louisville OL Caleb Chandler an All-American

Sporting News latest to select Louisville OL Caleb Chandler an All-American

247sports.com

 

[hmt5000]

They lost the most productive receiver to Ole Miss. The receiver that went to Alabama is fast, very fast, but was not very productive. He supposedly felt it was the offense that limited him and that is why he left.

The internet board rumor was that he was going to Bama...... that rumor was two days before he entered the portal. Very shortly after entering the portal he committed to Bama.

The best offensive lineman is returning.

Sporting News latest to select Louisville OL Caleb Chandler an All-American

Sporting News latest to select Louisville OL Caleb Chandler an All-American

247sports.com

So he was the only wr lost? I thought one left early and one graduated?

 

[Rembrandt90]

Honest question but why are people hyping up Louisville for. I’ve seen some media members have them higher than Kentucky and hype up Cunningham. I’ve watched Louisville and they aren’t doing anything impressive until they massively improve in the trenches. And with Cunningham he is the definition of good stats versus bad competition

On this website, there always has been and probably always will be an irrational preoccupation with UL. The obvious reason is proximity, plus the fact that most UK fans eventually find themselves arguing with UL fans at some point. During the period when UK football was weakened by NCAA probation, sanctions, and their aftermath, UL posted some impressive wins against us. In those days, UL was able to focus on the annual game with UK because the Cards played a weak schedule in a weak conference. Those were the Jurich years, which means UL's football recruiting almost certainly involved similar cheating to what they got busted by the NCAA for doing in basketball. But ever since Stoops established the foundation of his program in Lexington, UK has increasingly dominated the series. For several years now, UK has been beating UL in such a lopsided and dominating fashion that it is difficult on rational grounds to look at this as a rivalry anymore. To many UK fans, it is now just another nonconference bunny. Honestly, that is how I look at the game now.

I am not suggesting there will never be another competitive UK-UL football game. Since we cannot predict the future, who can say? But I know this much. As long as UK's OL and DL dominate the trenches like we have recently, UL will continue to get pasted by UK. The differences in size and skills between the two teams have become so pronounced that it would take multiple years for UL to catch up even if Stoops left and everything went UL's way. IMHO.

 

[Dontworryboutit23]

On this website, there always has been and probably always will be an irrational preoccupation with UL. The obvious reason is proximity, plus the fact that most UK fans eventually find themselves arguing with UL fans at some point. During the period when UK football was weakened by NCAA probation, sanctions, and their aftermath, UL posted some impressive wins against us. In those days, UL was able to focus on the annual game with UK because the Cards played a weak schedule in a weak conference. Those were the Jurich years, which means UL's football recruiting almost certainly involved similar cheating to what they got busted by the NCAA for doing in basketball. But ever since Stoops established the foundation of his program in Lexington, UK has increasingly dominated the series. For several years now, UK has been beating UL in such a lopsided and dominating fashion that it is difficult on rational grounds to look at this as a rivalry anymore. To many UK fans, it is now just another nonconference bunny. Honestly, that is how I look at the game now.

I am not suggesting there will never be another competitive UK-UL football game. Since we cannot predict the future, who can say? But I know this much. As long as UK's OL and DL dominate the trenches like we have recently, UL will continue to get pasted by UK. The differences in size and skills between the two teams have become so pronounced that it would take multiple years for UL to catch up even if Stoops left and everything went UL's way. IMHO.

I was at the Kentucky Louisville game this year, watching the two teams warm up you could tell Kentucky was going to get whatever they want whenever they want. Kentucky was bigger and faster at almost every position.

 

[kyleb740]

So he was the only wr lost? I thought one left early and one graduated?

They lost Watkins to Ole Miss and Harrell to Bama. Their 4th leading WR Marshall went in the portal but I don’t know where he ended up.

They bring back Huggins-Bruce who looked good in his Fr year, Braden Smith who was hurt after 4 games last year, and Josh Johnson a Sr who has never really pushed past being a backup. Smith was arrested for assault but I haven’t seen anything since so I assume he will be playing.

Then they got 2 transfers. Wiggins from Miami who is supposed to have good size/speed but Miami fans said he couldn’t catch and Hudson an FCS All American from Central Arkansas.

 

[backinky2018]

The experts aren't going by a OOC matchup or past matchups, they are basing predictions on conference play. Unless the wheels fall off early, UL could be undefeated by their bye week and a top 25 team. Pitt and WF are a toss up so UL could realistically be undefeated when they face Clemson for what should determine the Atlantic division Champion. Clemson has a shaky QB room and new coordinators so who knows.
I'm not sure why UK fans want UL to struggle. If they are undefeated and top 10 when UK beats them it only shows the strength of UK and the SEC. UT and USCe are much more concerning.

Not sure what you're seeing that I'm not, but they start off with Syracuse in the dome on a friday night (UL only a 3 point favorite), then have to go to UCF (very dangerous, should have lost to them last year), and then come home for FSU (they always have more talent than UL). The odds are probably on a 1-2 start, but 0-3 isn't out of the question. If 0-3 or 1-2 happens, then look out, the vultures will be circling.

 

[Lamar Card]

This article may answer a few questions.

Louisville Football: Cardinal Authority's projected fall depth chart

Louisville Football: Cardinal Authority's projected fall depth chart

247sports.com

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

This article may answer a few questions.

Louisville Football: Cardinal Authority's projected fall depth chart

Louisville Football: Cardinal Authority's projected fall depth chart

247sports.com

What is it suppose to explain? Louisville is a mid to bottom feeder program in the ACC with a Sunbelt coach. When this class gets to be upper classmen the way things are looking Louisville maybe a sunbelt team. ACC is trying to come of with a way to void their media contract. Tabocca road is going to take care of themselves, the only higher programs with any value to Big 10 or SEC are Clemson, Miami and FSU. Maybe Big12 will be looking.

 

[kyleb740]

Yeah I agree that linking a depth chart does nothing for anyone. Look I live in Louisville and have friends and family that are Louisville fans. Also I love CF so I pay attention to what UL has each year. I also agree with others that you have to look at their roster vs ACC comp not SEC. Here is your UL breakdown:

Offense:
QB: Cunningham. That’s it their backups are poor or too young. He is a good player but I mentioned him taking the next step. It’s not because of stats it’s because of what he does in those key moments in close games. Great QBs win you games and make the right choices at those key times. Can he make that step?

RB: probably ULs deepest position. They have a lot of good options. I’d imagine they use them more in the passing game this year.

TE: Marshon Ford is pretty good. Not NFL talent but knows how to get open and make plays. Was their leading receiver last year. Not much beyond him that’s worth pointing out.

WR: mentioned above.

OL: Bring back 4 out of 5 starters. They were good in the acc last year. Hudson who UK went after in HS was the 6th guy last year and takes over at C. From what I know UK didn’t try to get him when he transferred from VT. Should be a decent group and they are finally growing a little depth. Boone at RG is their weakest link so I wouldn’t be surprised to see him displaced at some point.

Defense
DL: They have a lot of bodies now. Loye the transfer from ASU will help a ton as he is experienced, was good in the PAC-12 and not undersized. Their DL was actually ok ACC wise last year so should improve.

LB: strength of the defense. Gets a transfer from Ole Miss that started some games but was passed over last year, Abdullah is back and he is a good LB. Montgomery was injured and returns who was their best LB the year before. Avery graduated so that hurts. I assume their star of the last recruiting class Popeye Williams gets time in rush situations.

DB: big question mark. Clark is an nfl talent most likely. They rest are ???. Transfers and guys that haven’t cut it in the last few years.

 

[Lamar Card]

What is it suppose to explain? Louisville is a mid to bottom feeder program in the ACC with a Sunbelt coach. When this class gets to be upper classmen the way things are looking Louisville maybe a sunbelt team. ACC is trying to come of with a way to void their media contract. Tabocca road is going to take care of themselves, the only higher programs with any value to Big 10 or SEC are Clemson, Miami and FSU. Maybe Big12 will be looking.

Who said it would explain anything? It had been asked who would be the wide receivers. The depth chart listed the names of the wide receivers. Then an overview of each group by the author. You then went off on a completely unrelated bashing session. I don't know why.

 

[HerrosHeroes]

Because people can’t deal with the fact that UK is good in Basketball and Football these days, chaps their collective hater asses.

Deal with it hatas.

 

[backinky2018]

What is it suppose to explain? Louisville is a mid to bottom feeder program in the ACC with a Sunbelt coach. When this class gets to be upper classmen the way things are looking Louisville maybe a sunbelt team. ACC is trying to come of with a way to void their media contract. Tabocca road is going to take care of themselves, the only higher programs with any value to Big 10 or SEC are Clemson, Miami and FSU. Maybe Big12 will be looking.

I think there are some other attractive ACC schools too, but Louisville is not one of them.

UNC is very attractive b/c it's a big state and it's a big brand with a large following. Virginia is also a big state and the academics at UVA would be very appealing to the Big 10. Georgia tech is attractive b/c of the academics and the atlanta market. Duke is a big brand, but football is so bleak they're probably inconsequential in the football-dominated game.

Louisville's academics are bad enough that they're untouchable for the big 10. For the SEC, they really don't add any value. UK already dominates this state, and they really don't give the SEC any reason to further split up its pie.

If the future really is two 20 team conferences, think Clemson, FSU, Miami, GT, UVA, and UNC are all fine. The UL's and the Wake forests of the world are in trouble.

 

[trentrobinson9]

I think there are some other attractive ACC schools too, but Louisville is not one of them.

UNC is very attractive b/c it's a big state and it's a big brand with a large following. Virginia is also a big state and the academics at UVA would be very appealing to the Big 10. Georgia tech is attractive b/c of the academics and the atlanta market. Duke is a big brand, but football is so bleak they're probably inconsequential in the football-dominated game.

Louisville's academics are bad enough that they're untouchable for the big 10. For the SEC, they really don't add any value. UK already dominates this state, and they really don't give the SEC any reason to further split up its pie.

If the future really is two 20 team conferences, think Clemson, FSU, Miami, GT, UVA, and UNC are all fine. The UL's and the Wake forests of the world are in trouble.

Don’t see GT being a real option, same reason you listed for Louisville, Georgia dominates the state and GT wouldn’t add much value, even with it being in Atlanta. Duke could be an option, despite being awful in football, because if you add Duke and Carolina, the SEC then becomes the elite basketball conference as well, having 3 of the top 4/5 programs in the country.
If I had to guess between the next 4 teams added to the SEC, I’d say Clemson, FSU, and UNC are the top options, and the 4th will be between Virginia and Duke.

 

[John_dromo1]

I think there are some other attractive ACC schools too, but Louisville is not one of them.

UNC is very attractive b/c it's a big state and it's a big brand with a large following. Virginia is also a big state and the academics at UVA would be very appealing to the Big 10. Georgia tech is attractive b/c of the academics and the atlanta market. Duke is a big brand, but football is so bleak they're probably inconsequential in the football-dominated game.

Louisville's academics are bad enough that they're untouchable for the big 10. For the SEC, they really don't add any value. UK already dominates this state, and they really don't give the SEC any reason to further split up its pie.

If the future really is two 20 team conferences, think Clemson, FSU, Miami, GT, UVA, and UNC are all fine. The UL's and the Wake forests of the world are in trouble.

The Louisville media market is very attractive and no, 50 percent of this market aren’t UK fans. It’s more like 70-30, or 60-40 at best Louisville.

Louisville is one of the largest media markets without a major league sports franchise. If you’re going to talk revenue and people glued to TV sets, this city devours college athletics. There is no other competition.

It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out. What value to the B1G from a TV revenue standpoint is Northwestern or IU? Vandy or Miss State to the SEC?

 

[Cotaay]

At least 10% of the Louisville market is made up of IU fans so your madeup numbers look even more foolish. At best UofL commands 50% of the sports fans so when you cut the market in half you are basically left with a market the size of Evansville - you really think it is all that appealing?

It is also a very Louisville selling point to be like every other city our size has more to offer and here you are just stuck with us. MLB didnt want the city 70 years ago, NBA didnt want it 20 years ago, MLS doesnt want it now, and bigtime college athletics wont either when the dust settles. Louisville forever a little brother/AAA town.

 

[John_dromo1]

At least 10% of the Louisville market is made up of IU fans so your madeup numbers look even more foolish. At best UofL commands 50% of the sports fans so when you cut the market in half you are basically left with a market the size of Evansville - you really think it is all that appealing?

It is also a very Louisville selling point to be like every other city our size has more to offer and here you are just stuck with us. MLB didnt want the city 70 years ago, NBA didnt want it 20 years ago, MLS doesnt want it now, and bigtime college athletics wont either when the dust settles. Louisville forever a little brother/AAA town.

Your irrational UK bias (and anti UofL) is showing. Louisville is a larger media market than three NBA and two NFL teams. It’s mostly comprised of Louisville fans (IU???).

To your other points:

MLS didnt happen at the time because there wasn’t a facility. I know for a fact that the ownership group will be ready when the next round of expansion is announced or when a team is looking to re-locate. Lynn Stadium was specifically built to expand by 10K seats.

The Colonels not making it to the NBA was a travesty. It was the second most successful ABA team, behind the Pacers. John Y. Brown did not want to fork over the franchise fee and the city wouldn’t help. JYB admits now he made a poor decision (the fee now is about 80 percent more). He folded the team but it wasn’t due to a lack of fan or corporate support. He and the city dropped the ball, big time. The Colonels belonged in the NBA and I strongly feel the city would support a franchise now.

 

[Cotaay]

Your irrational UofL bias makes you think that Louisville is an attractive market in this round of college expansion - its not. UofL is never mentioned as a possible candidate, the university does not even dominate its home market and it will soon be back where it belongs in a mid major conference. That is going to happen, Louisville will absolutely be left behind (something people in the city should be used to at this point) the quicker you realize that the better.

 

[southindycat]

I love the city of Louisville, but must largely agree with Cotaay. Louisville media market is fractured. I'll give Cards the plurality, but that's about it. Loyalties probably break 45/35/10/10 UoL, UK, IU, Other (Domers, etc.) across the market. It's more attractive for a pro franchise than a mega-major college conference.

 

[HCaulfield]

What is it suppose to explain? Louisville is a mid to bottom feeder program in the ACC with a Sunbelt coach. When this class gets to be upper classmen the way things are looking Louisville maybe a sunbelt team. ACC is trying to come of with a way to void their media contract. Tabocca road is going to take care of themselves, the only higher programs with any value to Big 10 or SEC are Clemson, Miami and FSU. Maybe Big12 will be looking.

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