Ah from a strawman to an ad hominem. I'm the furthest thing from an ideologue. I am a practical fact based person. Put criminals in jail and it lowers crime. It's that easy. It's proven time and again. The only people who debate that fact are actual ideologues because their heart and emotions fly in the face of every practical or factual notion.
Lexington shootings
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Ah from a strawman to an ad hominem. I'm the furthest thing from an ideologue. I am a practical fact based person. Put criminals in jail and it lowers crime. It's that easy. It's proven time and again. The only people who debate that fact are actual ideologues because their heart and emotions fly in the face of every practical or factual notion.
Btw the new group that dominates the search results is a rebrand from their old program where they paid random people (usually felons) 55k per year to supposedly stop people from committing crime.
It all came out when one of those random people was indicted for rape and assault. Then news agencies started digging and found the program. That resulted in Fischer rebranding it and bringing it under the police umbrella but they still pay the random people with little/no oversight.
It all came out when one of those random people was indicted for rape and assault. Then news agencies started digging and found the program. That resulted in Fischer rebranding it and bringing it under the police umbrella but they still pay the random people with little/no oversight.
I know these car thefts are getting out of control, they’ve branched out to Oldham County now.
If they released security camera video on the local news of the perps taking two in the head instead of them driving off in the car I suspect you’d see a decrease in auto thefts/ home burglaries
If they released security camera video on the local news of the perps taking two in the head instead of them driving off in the car I suspect you’d see a decrease in auto thefts/ home burglaries
Yet another shooting last month that resulted in a death this time. Wouldn’t recommend taking the dog out for an evening stroll in Lexington.
Police officers investigate the area of a reported shooting on Idaho Avenue near Dakota Street in Lexington, Ky, Friday, May 17, 2024
Police officers investigate the area of a reported shooting on Idaho Avenue near Dakota Street in Lexington, Ky, Friday, May 17, 2024
Yeah man, mos' def! Lexington is basically equivalent to Fallujah at the height of the insurgency in Iraq these days. It's not a matter of if you'll catch a stray piece of lead, it's when. And if it's not you, it'll be your pooch. Please everyone, think of Rover!
“Only” 25 non-homicide shootings through the first five months of 2024 thusfar in Lexington. So… “mainly peaceful” if you can dodge the bullets.
Shooting investigations | City of Lexington, Kentucky
Shooting investigations being handled by the Lexington Police Department.
www.lexingtonky.gov
Louisville had 28 in 15 days. It's really crazy the numbers in these ky cities.
Yep, better stay indoors 100% of the time. Also, if you let your children play outside, you're basically being an irresponsible parent.
Dakota Street off W 7th?
Look, they printed a map of all the murders in Lexington a couple of years ago. You don't have to be a sociologist or census taker to guess where 90% occurred. No doubt it would be similar in Louisville. Violent crime is a problem directly related to poverty, lack of education and unemployment. Of course there are relatively rare exceptions but if you can tell me how to solve the issues I just cited I will vote for you for any office you choose to seek.
Look, they printed a map of all the murders in Lexington a couple of years ago. You don't have to be a sociologist or census taker to guess where 90% occurred. No doubt it would be similar in Louisville. Violent crime is a problem directly related to poverty, lack of education and unemployment. Of course there are relatively rare exceptions but if you can tell me how to solve the issues I just cited I will vote for you for any office you choose to seek.
Stop shipping all our manufacturing/IT jobs over seas so people have a chance at gainful employment and a hope for a future would be a great place to start. That way you don’t have to pump trillions of manufactured dollars into the economy year after year to support minimum wage and bail out big businesses, causing inflation to sky rocket.
Higher police presence in areas were these crimes are occurring. Would be extremely dangerous for the officers assigned to these areas.
Also, see barbourfor3’s suggestion above.
So we've got some agenda posting happening. A discussion about local issues and problems is always great but when you begin posting that we shouldn't walk our dogs and if we happen to leave our homes, we better make sure to "dodge those bullets", you're being dramatic just to get attention. Facebook might be a better option for you unless you got yourself banned. Don't know about everyone else, but pretending I'm in Shawshank Prison for the rest of my life because some poor bastard was murdered 18 miles away would be some poor decision making on my part. Don't be scared of life.
Stop making excuses for dumb things other posters say. If it's such a serious issue, why would he feel the need to be sarcastic and suggest we need to "dodge bullets" and that we shouldn't walk our dogs in the evening? His words, not ours. Seems to me he's just trying to scare people with this topic.
And on this, just on a local level there's been Help Wanted signs in the windows of many businesses. People who could use those jobs aren't rushing to take them. We can't make people work, they've got to want to. On a larger sense, yes, I agree with you, but jobs and opportunities are widely available for the taking.
We’re paying people to stay home, plus you’ve got several generations of families now (and the # is growing) who have long ago given up on the American dream, lived off gov’t assistance all their lives and don’t know any other way. Fortunately I’ve never been in that situation but I do believe it’s hard to escape it once you become used to it and gets harder the longer your family remains on assistance.
I know this topic kinda took a turn but I believe the downfall of this country began when companies were given the green light to off shore all our manufacturing and have the taxpayers subsidize it by increasing the welfare state. It started out with factory workers and now it’s spread to engineering/tech/IT. Our sons and daughters get to go off to foreign outposts or wars to protect it all
To your point about local businesses having help wanted signs, it’s hard to get someone to come work when they will probably have to give their Bennie’s and probably break even at best. These aren’t the kind of jobs you can buy a house and raise a family on.
I know this topic kinda took a turn but I believe the downfall of this country began when companies were given the green light to off shore all our manufacturing and have the taxpayers subsidize it by increasing the welfare state. It started out with factory workers and now it’s spread to engineering/tech/IT. Our sons and daughters get to go off to foreign outposts or wars to protect it all
To your point about local businesses having help wanted signs, it’s hard to get someone to come work when they will probably have to give their Bennie’s and probably break even at best. These aren’t the kind of jobs you can buy a house and raise a family on.
Agree. Living in fear is a hell of a thing. I just go on with my life. If something happens to me it was just my time I reckon.
Lexington police shared tips on what you should do if you are out and about and happen to be in the area of gun fire. See attached June 5th article by WKYT
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Lexington Police address safety concerns after recent shooting
Lexington police shared tips on what you should do if you are out and about and happen to be in the area of gun fire.
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Some people aren't cut out for the mean streets of Lexington, Kentucky. Bill may be one of them.
Appalachia has poverty, lack of education, and unemployment in spades. Even with a huge opiate problem, violent crime is extremely low. So none of those are the issue.
The real answer is the family core. In certain urban demographics, the family core was decimated. When that happened, education went to hell, the family was replaced by gangs, and the spiral ensued.
Really gangs are at the core of most of the problems we discussed here. City leaders are just too of to say that. I remember in Louisville a few years ago, carjackings were up like 500% and all the perps were teens. Murders went up and almost all the perps or victims were 15-21. Fischer said it was racist to think Louisville had a gang problem. Fast forward a few years and murders are out of control and finally the city admitted a gang problem. Lexington has it too they just won't admit it. All these car thefts and property crimes? Nearly all of them teens too.
Like solving any problem, the first step is admitting you have the problem. Louisville said it once then never again. Lexington is still yet to admit it. So until they seriously admit this problem, nothing will change.
Louisville has the additional obstacle even if they got serious about changing, and that's the doj deal they had to make. That all came out of the breonna deal. No matter what anyone thinks about that event, the resulting doj restrictions were atrocious and guarantees crime will continue to be an issue.
Violent crime is really low in Appalachia? I don't know so I am asking, but given the really small population seems like there are a lot of shootings per capita. But I could be off base
I think he's trying to make the Thomas Sowell argument about government policies having the perverse effect of creating fatherlessness disproportionately in black families -- which I believe has merit but doesn't really seem applicable here.
If you've got drugs/alcohol abuse, broken families, and people without meaningful work --> you're guaranteed to have violence no matter the racial demographic you're looking at. It could be Douglas Park or Cool Breeze trailer park on Ash Grove. Same shit, different day. If the people have guns, they'll use them on each other. If they don't have guns, they'll just stab each other or beat each other to death with objects like gangsters do in England.
I do believe that in the long run, we are ever so slowly weeding violence out of society (which may not be all good, btw). In my 25ish years of adulthood, things have dramatically changed. Fistfights used to be somewhat common and weren't really looked down upon all that much. Hell, when I first started practicing law, two attorneys (Tskware probably knows who) got in a fistfight outside of court in Jessamine County and everyone thought it was kind of funny since one of them is such a huge prick. If I get in fistfight with another lawyer now, I'd probably get disbarred and probably rightfully so.
I don't consider that a bad thing.
Hank, I really do enjoy my trips to Lexington. I can see that this topic is sensitive to some folks, so I will refrain from bringing these incidents up again. We’ve got a beautiful Saturday to enjoy and a fantastic football and basketball season to look forward to. Hopefully the UK baseball team continues their tremendous success today.
Without even looking at numbers, which roadside would you feel safer walking at night: Louisville's west end? Or in magoffin/Lee/owsley county? Because the latter are a combination of lowest income and highest unemployment in America. Many counties in eky rank highly on that list.
I'm not even discussing politics. There are many discussions about why the family unit eroded. However the fact remains having both parents involved is one of, if not the biggest, predictors of a child's success in life. That's undeniable.
What's also undeniable, and is the crux of my point, is it's lazy and meritless to blame it on economic factors. If that was the case, rural America would be running wild with gang or targeted violence too.
Overall it's back to my original point: the lack of personal accountability. Being lazy and blaming it on economic, fairness, or ease of crime (the kia excuse from before) is shifting the blame off the people committing crime.
So in order to fix things, that are clearly broken, it's a multi layered approach which absolutely includes jailing people. That removes the person from society for our protection and is a deterrent. Simultaneously there can be policies that investigate and address the real underlying causes of why certain demographics commit more crime.
But that doesn't get votes so instead we'll get more of what we have, which will generate more of what we got.
The USA incarcerates more people than any other country in the world. The jails and prisons are bursting.
One thing that isn't happening in this country is judges being soft on crime.
The first part has zero to do with the topic and the second part is patently false.
And would take a educated guess and say drugs probably had a lot to do with most of them. LOL, mostly a concentrated area where most of the violent crimes are taking place, but sure lets place the whole city of Lexington in the focus. People like him over exaggerate everything for sensationalism. But, by all means, everyone stay safe and alert on the mean streets of Lexington, KY. Chicago, Gary, Indiana or Baltimore don't have shit on LexVegas.
Hell I would venture to say the low income, drug areas of ANY major city will have more per capital than Lexington. Nashville, is a city where stats are very bad and no one would really consider Nashville as a dangerous city. Anywhere there is drugs and poverty, people will succumb to the pressure and stress of hard times and violence is usually the result. And in some cases, there is just bad human beings that just DGAF about other people and will do whatever to get what they want. Except work and earn it.
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Hey, there's a growth industry other than supplying ammo to Ukraine....let's just build more prisons!
From my perspective which is mostly from reading (and laughing heartily) at the political thread, Hyman probably aligns much more closely with a classic liberal than any MAGA nut. Try actually reading his posts and you’d see that pretty clearly.
Our circuit judges who handle felony cases are Tom Travis, Kim Bunnell Lucy Van Meter, Diane Minniefield and Julie Goodman.
Tell me which of these (who I know all by first name) is soft on crime, and try to give some specific cases. I'll be sure to pass it on to them
Lol ohhh ahhhh
That's an appeal to authority. I will take that as a concession.
Subjects such as this always ends this way. Not because I'm a master debater (womp womp) but because the facts speak for themselves. Let the facts lead you to the conclusions and not the other way around.
This story is such an absolute travesty that I feel like it’s worth posting and saying again, as strongly as possible, if we have to build 100 prisons that are bigger than anything we currently have, it is money well spent.
El Salvador has an unfettered problem with organized crime.
Kentucky has the death penalty and people are still murdered left and right. They don’t care about the consequences.
Appalachia is largely rural and unpopulated so you’d expect a much lower frequency of murders compared to metropolitan areas.
