I don’t know who the dark haired girl behind Stines was but she was very attractive. Sometimes genetics are a funny thing.
Letcher Co shooting
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I don’t know who the dark haired girl behind Stines was but she was very attractive. Sometimes genetics are a funny thing.
He asked if Judge Mullins' phone had "apps" on it. I never heard him ask about about "whatsapp". He at one point asked him if it had apps on it such as Facebook, that could contain information outside of the phone.
At the preliminary hearing or probable cause hearing, the officer who testifies can just be someone brought up to speed on the evidence, because hearsay is permitted. The prosecution can use an officer who has simply read the file, if they want.
But they didn’t in this case. This guy is the lead detective. I guess one of my questions would be why has he not been the one interviewing all of the witnesses?
Has the shooter been interviewed or was his statement simply offered during the apprehension? The lead detective would not be on the scene for the immediate aftermath of the shooting. I am not following this off this thread. I know Ragland has been cited here. Because I have seen firsthand how he (his “team”) has wrongly reported a federal trial I was involved with, I don’t know that I put too much stock in his assessments. Now, simply rebroadcasting the courtroom video is another thing.
From watching the PH, there was no mention that Stines had been interviewed. The KSP detective said he told officers at the scene, "they're trying to kidnap my family." The only thing the detective said Stines said to the detective himself was be "fair" to me. After watching the horrific video of what this sheriff had done to his long-time friend and unarmed judge, it struck me as beyond ironic that he was asking someone else to be "fair" to him. He, in a deliberate and stalking manner, shot his long-time friend and unarmed judge with 6-8 shots and then opened the door like it was just a typical day.
The detective looked pretty frustrated at one point with what the defense attorney was asking. I'm sure that's pretty typical but the way the detective volunteered that the daughter has made statements about what had occurred and the way the attorney quickly pivoted away from that to the apps on Judge Mullins' phone, it made me think the statements she has made do not support the salacious rumors but are, instead, more likely to be along the lines of what august-west posted he had heard about family problems.
Yeah, if those rumors had any weight. I'd be telling my attorney to be saying it constantly. Trial would still commence of course, but the sympathy would swing towards him.
He's getting NO sympathy right now. No one believes a sitting judge would be trying to openly kidnap a coworker's family. That plot wouldn't even fly in Hollywood.
I've never wanted to sit on a grand jury before but this one would be fascinating.
(Most people actually really enjoy grand jury duty.)
Interview with attorneys. I'm not sure if they've even taken a narrative from him yet.
(Most people actually really enjoy grand jury duty.)
Interview with attorneys. I'm not sure if they've even taken a narrative from him yet.
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The pastor friend to both men suggested this was a case of actual mental illness. Time will tell.
If those rumors had validity, the case would be charged as manslaughter.
If that's the case, and I wouldn't be surprised, could there have been an intervention?
I concur. Still, if they had any validity if I'm his attorney, I'm saying it.
The fact it hasn't come up has shown once again the internet to be wrong. And sadly, the "FB says its true" crowd is still trumpeting it.
His attorney will say it, this is just not the hearing for laying a defense.
Plus for the defense theyll make, it really doesn't matter if its true or not. It just matters if he reasonably believed it to be true at the time.
Several attorneys on this thread have called this a death penalty case. How is this possibly a death penalty case as opposed to vanilla murder? I have no idea why this sheriff did this, and am not inclined to sympathy for him.
Still, how is this a death case? If every intentional homicide was capital, Death Row would number in tens of thousands nationwide. What particular aggravating factor makes this capital?
Still, how is this a death case? If every intentional homicide was capital, Death Row would number in tens of thousands nationwide. What particular aggravating factor makes this capital?
Good question. I'm of the opinion that most murderers should face the death penalty, unless very unusual circumstances dictate otherwise.
Fair enough, but the law is precisely the opposite in every state, except perhaps Texas lol.
One of the aggravating factors from KRS 532.025 to make a crime eligible for the death penalty in Kentucky is that the act of killing was (1) intentional and (2) of a public official. Number 2 is easily established. At this point it would appear likeliest that the big argument will be whether it was "intentional" legally speaking.
Thanks, although the statute also requires that it happened in the "course" of public duties. Does that require that the killing relates to work duties, or is it sufficient if it happens while he's at work?
I'm not trying to be difficult, but if there's going to be death, shouldn't it be unequivocally applied?
I don't see that in the statute. It says "public official". What you are talking about may be in the case law, I don't know. That is not my area of expertise.
Here's KRS 532.025(2)(a)(7) straight from Decis:
7. The offender’s act of killing was intentional and the victim was:
a. A state or local public official; or
b. A first responder, as defined in KRS 507.070;
The judge was shot in his chambers, in his robe, at 3 pm. Unless the sheriff testifies, I can't possibly see how there would be an argument that the judge was not a public official.
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I would say the execution style shooting part. The continued shooting of a defenseless person. The lack of care for his actions.
I never looked into it, but id imagine the case law on this situation is extremely sparse.
Not sure if it would work or is even applicable, but if im the defense im arguing the act had nothing to do with him in his judicial role but everything to do with him as an individual.
Will be interesting to see if the prosecution tries to head this off in any way by tying a motive to the judicial role or to his role as potential witness in the civil litigation or a potential criminal investigation.
Just watched this. Take it with a grain of salt, obviously. I don't know if she's just using Judge's Mullins's murder to bring attention to her late father's unrelated cold case, or if she's implying that she believes that the judge's murder is part of a series of cover-ups.
"You guys might have the time and resources to look into things that I don't. See how many people in Letcher County have been murdered. See how many of those people had connections to the courthouse. See how many of those murders are unsolved".
"You guys might have the time and resources to look into things that I don't. See how many people in Letcher County have been murdered. See how many of those people had connections to the courthouse. See how many of those murders are unsolved".
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I wasn’t paying attention to content. I was looking at her crazy eyes and imagining her lips doing things
I’d say there’s way too many cops that have no business being cops.
She's vague, but I think that she's implying that there have been multiple murders in Letcher County that have been covered up by the police there and that they might be related to the judge's killing. The simplest explanation is that she may just be frustrated that her father's odd death wasn't solved and she's lashing out with an unfounded conspiracy accusation, but who knows. This whole thing's so weird.
This is what I thought re 16 being age of consent outside a power situation but I read recently that 16-17 is only legal if the couple is not over 10 years apart unless they are married. No idea if this is true
@Hank Camacho gave a more thorough explanation of the other key points of the statute down the thread, but you are correct on the age difference being a factor.
An interesting tidbit from The Mountain Eagle, imo.
Two law enforcement sources have confirmed that former Sheriff Shawn “Mickey” Stines did not select his daughter’s number from a pre-saved list on District Judge Kevin Mullins’s phone when he called her just prior to killing the judge. Both say Stines dialed the number before he shot Mullins multiple times in the judge’s chambers behind the Letcher District Courtroom.
Two law enforcement sources have confirmed that former Sheriff Shawn “Mickey” Stines did not select his daughter’s number from a pre-saved list on District Judge Kevin Mullins’s phone when he called her just prior to killing the judge. Both say Stines dialed the number before he shot Mullins multiple times in the judge’s chambers behind the Letcher District Courtroom.
So that means she wasn’t a contact in the judge’s phone.
Not sure exactly what that says tbh.
That’s odd. The only real reason I would see where he would commit that kind of crime would be someone extremely close to him. Maybe his wife or if he was having an affair a girlfriend, but other than that it wouldn’t make much sense.
You can dial a number even if they’re a contact in your phone.
Would probably be even worse if the Sheriff dialed his daughter’s number and her name popped up because she was a contact. Worse even more so if it was saved as something intended to be discrete.
Would probably be even worse if the Sheriff dialed his daughter’s number and her name popped up because she was a contact. Worse even more so if it was saved as something intended to be discrete.
The Mountain Eagle is reporting this morning that Stines's attorneys now admit they have "no evidence of an improper relationship between her (Stines's daughter) and Judge Kevin R. Mullins." I saw a comment on a youtube video, fwiw, from someone claiming to be from Letcher County that Stines hadn't slept in 4 days...Sounds like he had some sort of breakdown.
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