Legal gambling = rigged games
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All sports are RIGGED. Have been for a long time.
They can't 100% determine the outcome. But they can absolutely alter the scores big time.
I can't and for the most part have tried to use it to my advantage with my parleys but its hard to beat vegas especially when they are in bed with every sports league and the commercials and banners on every broadcast encouraging a individual to bet knowing they can adjust outcomes if need be is a fraudulent and predatory behavior that shouldn't be allowed. I try to set traps and build parleys off of them to keep momentum and stay in the green.
Refs can do it and not make it obvious. So much betting going on now. Every game. Every podcast promotes it. Guarantee it's having an effect.
My friend unfortunately you are right . Sports gambling destroyed many games ,careers and teams … including my beloved Alex John Groza , number 15 that’s hanging from the Rupp’s rafters and brought 2 titles for Kentucky and gold at Olympics for USA.
Oh you are going to be called a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist now.
You see money can corrupt politicians, churches, executives etc., but athletes and refs are beyond reproach.
You see money can corrupt politicians, churches, executives etc., but athletes and refs are beyond reproach.
I sometimes think the only sports not rigged are pro "rastling and roller derby. lol
Anytime this much money is involved anything is possible.
Anytime this much money is involved anything is possible.
Just think how much money is paid in advertising/broadcast rights for March Madness and the NFL and tell me do you really think it is that hard to believe there can be improper influence applied for desired outcomes?
It isn't just legal gambling but unchecked sports gambling period. They didn't just start rigging games when they legalized sports books.
How do you fix it? Hell if I know. It would take a major push from the FBI or something like that and I don't see that happening.
How do you fix it? Hell if I know. It would take a major push from the FBI or something like that and I don't see that happening.
"Here's a ridiculously bold claim. Prove it's wrong!"
That's not how it works. The burden of proof is on the person asking us to accept the bold claim.
I can't prove aliens don't exist. That doesn't mean the guy claiming aliens exist is correct.
That's not how it works. The burden of proof is on the person asking us to accept the bold claim.
I can't prove aliens don't exist. That doesn't mean the guy claiming aliens exist is correct.
Chiefs are a totally different problem. The NFL stands to gain (or lose) a lot of revenue if the Chiefs and Swift fans don't make the playoffs. Just imagine how much the ad revenue goes up once you add in all the companies that cater to women and girls. Beauty companies that wouldn't care to have an Ad in the superbowl will gladly she'll out millions if they know they got the Taylor Swift segment.
The NFL just has too much money riding on whether the Chiefs make it to the SB or don't. Nothing the Chiefs really did wrong here, but it's just a unique situation. Their fanbase exploded when Kelce started dating the biggest popstar, maybe since Michael Jackson.. maybe ever?
17 TO’s is ridiculous. We maybe had 10 legit TO’s the rest were caused by “incidental contact” plays. One of those plays led to a big momentum swing for Vandy towards the end of the game. Each team made mistakes. I don’t really know how you can let them play football on one play and whistle a touch foul on the other end of the court.
Can’t, because it’s true, and always will be as along as organized gambling is allowed, and this has NOTHING to do with yesterday’s game!
Honestly, it’s batshit crazy that the average fan can’t ascertain that by default, these games have to have a house edge built in, but almost no one wants to admit it, because what would be the point of watching and being a fan?
Exactly. I want to quit caring about sports but I’m not committed to quitting them.
Because it’s his team, see everyone else cheats but them, hey chiefs fan remember you guys constantly saying they wanted Brady😂. Thought so enjoy the bullshit calls while they last it will end and the NFL will move on to their next fav.
Truth. It started when the NFL decided that Mahomes was next.
It did a bit.. but it;'s gotten so much worse. It's no longer just protecting your leagues star player (like Tom Brady before).. there's now legitimate financial ramifications of the Chiefs miss the Superbowl.
I've heard some theories and rumors that Travis Kelce and Tswift have been broken up, but the Chiefs organization won't allow it to go public and are squeezing it out for this year. Now, do I believe that? No (yes). but would it shock me to see them split up 3 months from now? When he maybe retires? No it would not.
The spreads are what they play and manipulate as that's where the money can be made on regular day-to-day games. When it comes to big tournaments or championship games I would suspect there's more money in underdogs winning than spreads.
How often do we see games swing way outside of the spread only to be nearly immediately followed by whistles that most times results in the margin closing to very close to the spread?
And how often do we find ourselves saying "wow, how did Vegas get so close" when spreads are 0.5-1 pt off from the predicted margin of victory?
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Only "gambling" I've ever done in my life is Texas Hold 'Em poker. At least there I feel like I have some semblance of control over what I win/lose!
Mortgage brokers and government officials nearly bankrupted the entire United States of America for commission checks.
Those people who think the officials are just incompetent are hiding their head in the sand.
Sports are fixed at several levels.
Nothing wrong with doing it here and there for leisure or when you plan on losing a pre-defined amount. Most don't do that, though. lol
I have some thoughts on that.
1) pay the refs more and make them full time. In the offseason there should be training and point of emphasis camps to force consistency across games.
2) Require post game or mid-week press conferences from refs, complete with ability to show film. If the coaches and players are held accountable, the refs should be too.
3) all refs must submit to fiscal reviews and audits. This is a place congress can potentially get involved. If a guy is making 70-100k a year and somehow has millions of dollars that should be a huge red flag.
4) Use AI to compare results of games compared to available betting lines, overs, player props and more, and cross reference that with each referee and crew. Crews and refs that have unusual amounts of anomalies should face extra scrutiny.
And most importantly,
5) the leagues have to stop turning a blind eye and acting as though all refs are as honorable as saints. At some point they have to acknowledge it is a problem and take steps to fix it.
Wrong as well. The Chiefs have the best organization in sports right now. It won't last. It never does, but I will enjoy it while it does last (one of the greatest head coaches in the game's history, THE best DC in league history in Spags, a great special teams coach in Toub, fantastic GM, and then a litany of great players, oh, and Arrowhead to top it all off - the Rupp Arena of NFL stadiums).
In 2018, when the Pats beat us at home, it sucked, but I did not blame the refs. We intercepted the ball to win the game, but we had lined up offsides, so they got the 1st down. As for wanting Brady, you must be talking to another fanbase. Only thing we wanted Brady to do was go down with an injury.
The refs miss calls in every game, but I'm calling cheating. Maybe I am naive, but my teams have won 4 Super Bowls and 8 NCAA championships, so I will live in my naiveté. Go Chiefs and go Cats!!!
Keep drinking big man no one other than your chief boy fans buy what your selling. Literally entire country sees what has been going on for the last three years,like I said,enjoy now you will be irrelevant soon big man.
It’s obvious to everyone other than your fandom group
NFL example tonight:
Jim Nance lead in: KC vs Buffalo “The matchup America has been longing for.”
FFS not most of America. Just KC, Buffalo and Swifties.
Jim Nance lead in: KC vs Buffalo “The matchup America has been longing for.”
FFS not most of America. Just KC, Buffalo and Swifties.
I knew there were shenanigans, especially after evaluating our final game of 2017 (vs UNCheats), but to hear Jamie Luckie in his own words instructing other refs how to “be the difference between (Elon) losing by 20 points (to Duke) and not 40 points” was an eye-opener. WHAT!?! (Btw: one year it got away from him and it ended up only being 13 points. Did that happen in our final games of 2010 and 2018 that he officiated?!)
For a ref to openly admit they “give the little guy more latitude” and intentionally manipulate a final score makes me sick. He thinks people only remember the final 2 or 4 minutes of the game (and acknowledges that’s why some games get a different whistle at the end). It’s available to watch here: https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/jamie-luckie-and-kentucky.263353/page-2#post-6804184
For a ref to openly admit they “give the little guy more latitude” and intentionally manipulate a final score makes me sick. He thinks people only remember the final 2 or 4 minutes of the game (and acknowledges that’s why some games get a different whistle at the end). It’s available to watch here: https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/jamie-luckie-and-kentucky.263353/page-2#post-6804184
Well, I guess it will be a little while longer until we are irrelevant. Spend a little less time talking about things you WANT to be true, and perhaps spend a little more time on those typing skills. I tend to try to be civil on this board as I talk about my Cats (and I assume your Cats, as well), but when yahoos get on here and talk about stuff they know little about, it gets my back up. Go Cats, and GO CHIEFS!!!
I've been saying Refs gamble for more than a decade. It's been obvious way before gambling was legal throughout most of the nation. Too easy for Refs to control a game in basketball, and human nature temptation is too much for thinking 100% can turn that money potential down. Nba evidence with who they have caught is all you need and College ball just keeps with this B.S. narrative of "oh home court is so hard, and this or that team is physical this and that."
Heck if I was a ref, i want the game as physical as possible and I can call a foul on any play without question. I pick and choose the timing. That's exactly where it was going couple of years ago and then people complained and we had the re-birth of "freedom of movement". Now it seems we are trending back to the refs letting a lot of games be as physical as they can get away with for obvious reason as i mentioned. More physical, more opportunities to call a foul whenever they want.
Heck if I was a ref, i want the game as physical as possible and I can call a foul on any play without question. I pick and choose the timing. That's exactly where it was going couple of years ago and then people complained and we had the re-birth of "freedom of movement". Now it seems we are trending back to the refs letting a lot of games be as physical as they can get away with for obvious reason as i mentioned. More physical, more opportunities to call a foul whenever they want.
Regarding tonight's game--I just guess I blame Bills OC for not getting James Cook the ball enough or at least having him on the field to be accounted for when you didn't want to utilize him. Guy had 16 total touches and 134 yds--2 TD's and was Bills most impactful player each time he had the ball. So why would he be sitting and watching when you were trying to go up another score on 3rd and short/4th and short? The arrogance of young hot short OC's often can sway a game. Last week Ben Johnson deciding to go empty with Montgomery in motion (who has a torn MCL) and Gibbs on sidelines for 3rd and 1 which results in Goff fumbling and instead of being up 14-3 with a very limited defense due to injuries-you fall behind and are on a bad side of a scoring yo-yo game.
Then you see Kellen Moore decide on 2nd and 6 with Rams having to get stop to keep game alive to give Jalen Hurts a naked boot to throw and he eats it for a 13 yd sack and they have to punt. BTW--Saquan Barkley had rushed for nearly 500 total yds (over 200 each game) in 2 games against the Rams--but your defense had to defend a 4th down play inside the 20 because an OC got cute.
The Chiefs don't do things like that. Their best player has the ball/decides their fate. They sense momentum--going for it after trailing and deep in own territory--and get it. They get calls at times but so does everyone. I just watched last week's Ravens/Bills game and came away saying those teams are too sloppy and dumb at wrong time to beat a team like the Chiefs. It played out that way tonight by their own staff limiting their best weapon from getting at least 25 touches in a win/go home situation. They are coached by a defensive guy but were unprepared for every big game changing play defensively but they'll keep him moving forward because he wins a weak AFC East? He's a loser. Expecting championship organizations to drop balls so you can win isn't going to happen but from what Buffalo has shown, they'll just keep as is and hope it bounces their way next year.
Then you see Kellen Moore decide on 2nd and 6 with Rams having to get stop to keep game alive to give Jalen Hurts a naked boot to throw and he eats it for a 13 yd sack and they have to punt. BTW--Saquan Barkley had rushed for nearly 500 total yds (over 200 each game) in 2 games against the Rams--but your defense had to defend a 4th down play inside the 20 because an OC got cute.
The Chiefs don't do things like that. Their best player has the ball/decides their fate. They sense momentum--going for it after trailing and deep in own territory--and get it. They get calls at times but so does everyone. I just watched last week's Ravens/Bills game and came away saying those teams are too sloppy and dumb at wrong time to beat a team like the Chiefs. It played out that way tonight by their own staff limiting their best weapon from getting at least 25 touches in a win/go home situation. They are coached by a defensive guy but were unprepared for every big game changing play defensively but they'll keep him moving forward because he wins a weak AFC East? He's a loser. Expecting championship organizations to drop balls so you can win isn't going to happen but from what Buffalo has shown, they'll just keep as is and hope it bounces their way next year.
Preach! I’m a Bengals fan so I can relate. Took my son to his first NFL game against the Ravens in Week 5. Lamar fumbles in OT in Bengals territory. Zach Taylor runs the ball 3 straight plays instead of letting Burrow/Chase/Higgins decide the game. They had killed the Ravens all game but no, let’s run it three straight plays to set up a long missed field goal. Is there a universe where Andy Reid doesn’t let Mahomes drop back to pass at least once in the exact same situation? It’s why winners win and losers lose.
