Uh, maybe. But no one complains about refs (or anything other than simply not being good enough) more than a UK fan. Most UK fans always put the blame on someone/something else, instead of where it actually lies: UK got outplayed. I mean seriously, when was the last time another fanbase was investigated by the FBI for threatening a ref?
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Uh, maybe. But no one complains about refs (or anything other than simply not being good enough) more than a UK fan. Most UK fans always put the blame on someone/something else, instead of where it actually lies: UK got outplayed. I mean seriously, when was the last time another fanbase was investigated by the FBI for threatening a ref?
Seriously when was the UK fan base investigated by the FBI for threatening a ref?
If you say Higgins you are mistaken. Despite what some in the media have claimed, no “threats” were forwarded to the FBI, much less investigated by them.
And beyond that of the half dozen or so “worst” threats reviewed by the DA, exactly zero of them were considered serious & none rose to the level of an actual death threat (in direct contradiction to the claims of some in the media, including most recently Dana O’Neil).
All that and yet we make just ONE more FT (we missed 14) and ONE more 3 (we missed 9) and we win.....and let's just throw in the fact that they had 30 fouls called on them and we had 21
The way to win was simple as usual: MAKE SHOTS!
The way to win was simple as usual: MAKE SHOTS!
And how exactly would you know that? Do you frequent other message boards during games, and read game threads? I don't make it a habit, but in the past I have just to see if they did the same thing, and lo and behold they do. Imagine that.
Contrast that with the game yesterday between Loyola and KState where there were 34 total fouls called. Just laughed when I noticed that with 8 minutes to go in the first half there had been a total of like 5 fouls called. 1 on Loyola and 4 on state.
There were no threats at all. The closest was someone telling Higgins he should kill himself. The rest were dumb but not threatening.
See this is why I think officials should have to answer questions. Ask why Cal got a technical for the coaches box and Weber didn't get one for the same violation. The official could explain the difference to us on why one was punished and why one wasn't? Just my two cents.
I wouldn't go that far to say there were no threats at all. There definitely were some threats. Some of them were crude, some stupid, some funny. But none of the supposed worst rose to the level of a legitimate death threat IMO, which is what Higgins claimed and which some in the media chose to report (without apparently even knowing what the threats entailed.)
Higgins and Luckie are so obvious..they should NEVER be allowed to officiate another UK game..ever.
Just a note here, OK? Being out of the box, and coaching your team is viewed differently from being out of the box, and bitching at the officials. I'm not saying Cal's tech was warranted. But there is a significant difference. In the photo above, it seems Weber is coaching---not bitching at an official.Look at those feet!
Which is an explanation as why it was handled differently.
I;ve officiated for a long time. EVen done so at the D1 level. I've always told coaches---"I don't mind if your out of the box, coahing your guys. AS long as you don't interfere with the game, or us, I'm fine with it. BUT.......won't I won't tolerate is you coming out of the box to "coach" me. Won't have that".
Just a little insight.
Sure thing bub.
I’m sure you think it was a well called game.
What is the referee fraternity called? The thin striped line?
I’m sure you think it was a well called game.
What is the referee fraternity called? The thin striped line?
And you have NO IDEA OR PROOF of what Cal said while he was out of the box. I saw Weber out of the box several times last night complaining to the Refs.
So take your sanctimonious Hoosier refereeing butt back to Bloomington. Your attitude in this post is what is wrong with refs today, it's all about YOU, when it should be all about the GAME.
Double standards are KILLING NCAA Basketball.
Like to see a break down of Duke. And how many favorable calls they get. It’s common knowledge and believed by many that when you play Duke, you gotta beat the refs too. So, basically, college officiating is not as fair as we would like to think. Personally, I think they’re a bunch of divas who like to be in the spotlight.
And well you also have no proof-----------Right? Or were you on the bench? You are right though. I have no idea what Cal said. But nor do you.
My attitude? Do what? I simply told you how the situation is usually handled. Or how I handle it. Let the coaches know in pregame what your expectations are with the coaching box. That was all I said sonny.
BTW, I don't live in Bloomington.
Luckie's birth name is actually Schmuckie...and how the hell does Cal draw the biggest known haters in the biggest games?
He's been greasing our asses for years - some things never change.
He's been greasing our asses for years - some things never change.
Thanks for posting the video. I tried to get an embedded look from the link in the original post but couldn’t, thanks!
I can’t say that I’ve ever seen a technical like that one. The BBN yelled “walk!” and DeAndre just did the hand signal like most players do in that situation. . . despite what the commentators said, that’s most always let go.
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It really is unfortunate that the media ran with the notion that it was all UK fans, without proof.
Iowa State fans posted his business information over a year before UK fans did.
Similar things happened with other fan bases after bitter endings: http://www.newsok.com/article/5475542
Rival Card Chronicle tweeted this out before any radio broadcast mentioned it:
https://www.twitter.com/CardChronicle/status/846580398436089856
Who’s to say fans from U6 or other fanbases didn’t do the worst of it to make UK look bad?
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I know John Higgins didn't get an invite to call the Final 4 this year..I wonder if Jamie Luckie has or will ?
I would hope not. Both teams were called for far too many fouls. It's hard to get any flow and one would think the NCAA would want to have the best officials with a good reputation for calling exciting, fair basketball games.
It was a charge. What did you see with #20's feet? his left one barely moved a bit but I saw nothing else. He was set
Similar Luckie-Officiated Games
In the first post of this Thread, I mentioned that you could describe our 2010 loss to WVU, our 2018 loss to South Carolina and our 2018 Sweet Sixteen loss to Kansas State pretty much the same way. Here are some article excerpts that highlight the similarities. Unfortunately, the style of officiating dictated how these games were played: brutal, rough, ugly, no flow. That style has a profound effect upon even the best of players, as demonstrated in these articles.
2010 NCAA Elite Eight vs. WVU: https://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/sports/ncaabasketball/28east.html
“John Wall, who will probably be the No. 1 pick in this year’s NBA Draft, scored 19 points, but he was 7 of 18 from the field and had 5 turnovers . . . Demarcus Cousins battled foul trouble all game, picking up his third two minutes into the second half . . . DeAndre Liggins drew a technical in the first half . . . Darius Miller looked overwhelmed all day, missing all six shots he took from the field . . . .”
2018 vs. South Carolina: https://www.aseaofblue.com/2018/1/1...th-carolina-4-things-box-score-postgame-recap
“This game was ugly from the start, as there were more free throws tonight than any other SEC game this season. . . The referees completely dictated the game. Both South Carolina and Kentucky eclipsed 30 free throws, and both teams shot less than 70 percent from the free throw line. . . Alexander has been one of Kentucky’s most dependable player, guiding them through some growing pains. But tonight he was off, shooting just 3-of-9 from the field for six points, and committing a team-high six turnovers. He also had four fouls. But to be fair, he wasn’t the only Wildcat off his game (and he certainly wasn’t the only one picking up a lot of fouls).”
2018 NCAA Sweet Sixteen vs. Kansas State: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/sports/kansas-state-kentucky-ncaa-tournament.html
“Two of them (freshman) could enter the pro ranks as early as next year. But on Thursday they played their age, shooting a dismal 38 percent from the field and 25 percent from beyond the 3-point arc. They turned the ball over 15 times and struggled from the foul line, shooting 62 percent and missing several during the last four minutes . . . Every time Kentucky tried to close the gap, a bad shot or decision caused the momentum to fizzle . . . with Kentucky trailing by 4 points, Coach John Calipari picked up a technical after Knox was called for a charge and his basket was disallowed. . . .”
This is just a sampling of 3 games, and they all have similar descriptions. The 2 NCAA Tournament losses were high stakes, but the South Carolina game also served as a terrible season loss and cost us when it came to NCAA Tournament seeding.
In the first post of this Thread, I mentioned that you could describe our 2010 loss to WVU, our 2018 loss to South Carolina and our 2018 Sweet Sixteen loss to Kansas State pretty much the same way. Here are some article excerpts that highlight the similarities. Unfortunately, the style of officiating dictated how these games were played: brutal, rough, ugly, no flow. That style has a profound effect upon even the best of players, as demonstrated in these articles.
2010 NCAA Elite Eight vs. WVU: https://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/sports/ncaabasketball/28east.html
“John Wall, who will probably be the No. 1 pick in this year’s NBA Draft, scored 19 points, but he was 7 of 18 from the field and had 5 turnovers . . . Demarcus Cousins battled foul trouble all game, picking up his third two minutes into the second half . . . DeAndre Liggins drew a technical in the first half . . . Darius Miller looked overwhelmed all day, missing all six shots he took from the field . . . .”
2018 vs. South Carolina: https://www.aseaofblue.com/2018/1/1...th-carolina-4-things-box-score-postgame-recap
“This game was ugly from the start, as there were more free throws tonight than any other SEC game this season. . . The referees completely dictated the game. Both South Carolina and Kentucky eclipsed 30 free throws, and both teams shot less than 70 percent from the free throw line. . . Alexander has been one of Kentucky’s most dependable player, guiding them through some growing pains. But tonight he was off, shooting just 3-of-9 from the field for six points, and committing a team-high six turnovers. He also had four fouls. But to be fair, he wasn’t the only Wildcat off his game (and he certainly wasn’t the only one picking up a lot of fouls).”
2018 NCAA Sweet Sixteen vs. Kansas State: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/sports/kansas-state-kentucky-ncaa-tournament.html
“Two of them (freshman) could enter the pro ranks as early as next year. But on Thursday they played their age, shooting a dismal 38 percent from the field and 25 percent from beyond the 3-point arc. They turned the ball over 15 times and struggled from the foul line, shooting 62 percent and missing several during the last four minutes . . . Every time Kentucky tried to close the gap, a bad shot or decision caused the momentum to fizzle . . . with Kentucky trailing by 4 points, Coach John Calipari picked up a technical after Knox was called for a charge and his basket was disallowed. . . .”
This is just a sampling of 3 games, and they all have similar descriptions. The 2 NCAA Tournament losses were high stakes, but the South Carolina game also served as a terrible season loss and cost us when it came to NCAA Tournament seeding.
All it took was a call to the Sarpy County District Attorney who reviewed the complaint. Frankly surprised how many so-called journalists didn't even make that effort.
Thanks jpscott. Appreciate all of ur efforts to get the facts out.
Still wish we could have brought Unc down to pay for their transgressions. Evidently the ncaa lacked the fortitude or perhaps fairness it required
Still wish we could have brought Unc down to pay for their transgressions. Evidently the ncaa lacked the fortitude or perhaps fairness it required
Its one thing to miss a foul, but my personal favorite is the three or four times a game one of these clowns comes running from 40 ft away on the other side of the court to call something that completely didn't happen. Priceless
Jamie Luckie In His Own Words
“The Craft of Officiating”
Here’s a video presentation Jamie Luckie gave to fellow referees. I transcribed some notes. His words are in quotations. He says many things that we observed in previous games, that he tries to mirror calls on both ends of the floor, that he gives “the little guy” more latitude. Says some curious things about Cal and K, too.
NOTES
Around 5:05 - On starting the game, mirroring calls, being consistent. “If you call an illegal screen the first call of the game and . . . it goes against the home team . . . instead of thinking all these things we said in the pregame we said we were going to do, the only thing you should be thinking about is an illegal screen on the other end of the floor, especially if it starts off against . . . the visiting team. That’s the only thing you should be thinking about . . . .one of those antenna plays. . . it’s like if Bobby and I were working the game and the first call of the game is a 3 second call. I’m going to tell you what: I’m going to do everything I can in the next five minutes to call 3 seconds on the other end of the floor. That’s all, in my opinion, that men’s college basketball coaches want. Well, they want you to cheat, but they want you to be consistent. That’s the thing you hear over and over again . . . Mirroring calls and being consistent is super important in my opinion.”
Around 11 Minute onward - explains why he calls so many fouls, so that the result will be more freedom of movement so that players can play and shooters can shoot (will talk later about higher scoring games are made possible by this). Says he has been told he will be backed up calling fouls if it’s a foul.
12:54 “I probably call more fouls in my games early in the game, the first 10 minutes, than I would late in the game, and that’s because it’s my game. There’s no more of this, ‘well, let them dictate. Uh-uh, no, we dictate. We dictate how the game is going to be played. And then you have a better game. And that goes back to the craft of officiating. . . . knowing when the visiting coach is antsy. You can see it, you can see it. Partner just had a tough play against him. Boom. He’s up. Just had a travel against him. Boom. He’s up. Alright? No, it’s not ‘cheating’, you’re not making anything up, but you have to know the ‘craft of officiating’ is telling me, ‘This visiting coach wants in this game. Right?’”
14 Minute Mark – The Coaches, “the biggest part of college men’s and women’s basketball because they never change. They never change. The top ones are always there. So, we have to figure out how we’re going to deal with them. . . . they have to know that you’re going to treat them all the same . . . I know if I treat those ‘blue coaches’ with a firm hand, guess what? They’re not going to mess with me at all. ‘Cause they know they’re going to get the same treatment. The problem comes in when you have a coach with little reputation against a coach with a big reputation and you treat this guy different than this guy. . . I always give a little more latitude to this guy (hand signal to lesser known coach) you know, let’s say . . . Elon playing at Duke . . . .
[16:02 mark](coach) Matt Matheney, he gets a lot of latitude, ‘cause he’s in Cameron Indoor Stadium . . . to get money for his school and to get . . . kicked . . . that’ it. That’s what’s gonna happen. . . . he comes to me . . . he said, ‘thank you for being here’ . . . ‘you being here is the difference between me losing by 40 and losing by 20.' Probably one of the best compliments I’ve ever gotten. Because all he’s trying to do is keep it close. He knows he can’t beat Duke in Cameron Indoor Stadium. He knows he can’t. But he knows that we didn’t let the Duke players beat the cr-p out of the Elon players. And he knows that we continued it right to the end. ‘Cause it’s important for him to lose by 18, not by 38 . . . okay, again, that goes back to the ‘craft of officiating’ knowing where you are and knowing who you’re dealing with.”
19 Minutes - Criteria for a charge/block
20 Minutes - On working with veteran referees, you don’t have to do what they say . . . .
23 Minutes - “Calling a game is not like a manual, not a perfect science, look for match ups . . . .”
Near the 25 Minute mark - On personality, need a strong personality, coaches sniff out weaknesses and go after it.
Around 25:20 - On Coach K giving the rare interview, but at the Duke-Wi Championship halftime, Coach K gave the interview because he wanted the world to know about the fouls being 7-2. Smart, a master manipulator: that’s what coaches are.
26 Minutes - “Doug Shows is . . . the same, all the time. Coaches rarely mess with him, 'cause they know what they're gonna get. But he has also hit John Calipari and hit Billy Donovan . . once you do that, the other guys, they stay out of your way . . . .”
26:25 - Is the game too physical?
27:14 - Depends on the game
Around 28:29 - "It’s not our fault they can’t shoot. . . "
32:20 Mark
The only thing that matters is the last few minutes. The last 4 minutes, the last 3 minutes, the last 2 minutes, whatever . . . when it comes down to it that’s what everybody is going to remember . . . you need to be really good for 36 minutes and you need to be great for the last 4 in a college game . . . end the game correctly.
Around 33 Minutes – On the UK-Wisconsin Shot Clock Violation
“You've got mass confusion . . . Calipari is jumping around, which he always does anyway, so that’s nothing ... that’s (pause) not normal . . . .” Had ideas about what he would have done in that situation.
36:15 – On Media & Social Media
“It’s so over the top that everybody expects us to work a perfect game.”
Starts talking about Jay Bilas and brackets not being perfect, “Kentucky’s going to win the whole thing...” You don’t fire analysts because they don’t have a perfect bracket.
Refers to a colleague who said something he shouldn’t have. “Is he done? I hope not.”
43:05 - Sometimes you have to take an incorrect call for the team (fellow referees) and to prevent the game from blowing up on you.
44:45 - On Coach-Referee interaction. Coach K loves to get people in his net at a timeout. (He doesn’t get caught up in it, stays away from it as much as he can). If you keep listening, he talks about how coaches want “milktoast” at home, don’t want anybody rocking the boat.
47:38 - “End the Game Correctly. When the game’s on the line, it’s a 6 Eye Play, that’s the way I look at it, nothing else matters. It’s 6 eyes. Don’t get stuck in your pie with 5 seconds to go . . . . get your eyes to the action area.”
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“The Craft of Officiating”
Here’s a video presentation Jamie Luckie gave to fellow referees. I transcribed some notes. His words are in quotations. He says many things that we observed in previous games, that he tries to mirror calls on both ends of the floor, that he gives “the little guy” more latitude. Says some curious things about Cal and K, too.
NOTES
Around 5:05 - On starting the game, mirroring calls, being consistent. “If you call an illegal screen the first call of the game and . . . it goes against the home team . . . instead of thinking all these things we said in the pregame we said we were going to do, the only thing you should be thinking about is an illegal screen on the other end of the floor, especially if it starts off against . . . the visiting team. That’s the only thing you should be thinking about . . . .one of those antenna plays. . . it’s like if Bobby and I were working the game and the first call of the game is a 3 second call. I’m going to tell you what: I’m going to do everything I can in the next five minutes to call 3 seconds on the other end of the floor. That’s all, in my opinion, that men’s college basketball coaches want. Well, they want you to cheat, but they want you to be consistent. That’s the thing you hear over and over again . . . Mirroring calls and being consistent is super important in my opinion.”
Around 11 Minute onward - explains why he calls so many fouls, so that the result will be more freedom of movement so that players can play and shooters can shoot (will talk later about higher scoring games are made possible by this). Says he has been told he will be backed up calling fouls if it’s a foul.
12:54 “I probably call more fouls in my games early in the game, the first 10 minutes, than I would late in the game, and that’s because it’s my game. There’s no more of this, ‘well, let them dictate. Uh-uh, no, we dictate. We dictate how the game is going to be played. And then you have a better game. And that goes back to the craft of officiating. . . . knowing when the visiting coach is antsy. You can see it, you can see it. Partner just had a tough play against him. Boom. He’s up. Just had a travel against him. Boom. He’s up. Alright? No, it’s not ‘cheating’, you’re not making anything up, but you have to know the ‘craft of officiating’ is telling me, ‘This visiting coach wants in this game. Right?’”
14 Minute Mark – The Coaches, “the biggest part of college men’s and women’s basketball because they never change. They never change. The top ones are always there. So, we have to figure out how we’re going to deal with them. . . . they have to know that you’re going to treat them all the same . . . I know if I treat those ‘blue coaches’ with a firm hand, guess what? They’re not going to mess with me at all. ‘Cause they know they’re going to get the same treatment. The problem comes in when you have a coach with little reputation against a coach with a big reputation and you treat this guy different than this guy. . . I always give a little more latitude to this guy (hand signal to lesser known coach) you know, let’s say . . . Elon playing at Duke . . . .
[16:02 mark](coach) Matt Matheney, he gets a lot of latitude, ‘cause he’s in Cameron Indoor Stadium . . . to get money for his school and to get . . . kicked . . . that’ it. That’s what’s gonna happen. . . . he comes to me . . . he said, ‘thank you for being here’ . . . ‘you being here is the difference between me losing by 40 and losing by 20.' Probably one of the best compliments I’ve ever gotten. Because all he’s trying to do is keep it close. He knows he can’t beat Duke in Cameron Indoor Stadium. He knows he can’t. But he knows that we didn’t let the Duke players beat the cr-p out of the Elon players. And he knows that we continued it right to the end. ‘Cause it’s important for him to lose by 18, not by 38 . . . okay, again, that goes back to the ‘craft of officiating’ knowing where you are and knowing who you’re dealing with.”
19 Minutes - Criteria for a charge/block
20 Minutes - On working with veteran referees, you don’t have to do what they say . . . .
23 Minutes - “Calling a game is not like a manual, not a perfect science, look for match ups . . . .”
Near the 25 Minute mark - On personality, need a strong personality, coaches sniff out weaknesses and go after it.
Around 25:20 - On Coach K giving the rare interview, but at the Duke-Wi Championship halftime, Coach K gave the interview because he wanted the world to know about the fouls being 7-2. Smart, a master manipulator: that’s what coaches are.
26 Minutes - “Doug Shows is . . . the same, all the time. Coaches rarely mess with him, 'cause they know what they're gonna get. But he has also hit John Calipari and hit Billy Donovan . . once you do that, the other guys, they stay out of your way . . . .”
26:25 - Is the game too physical?
27:14 - Depends on the game
Around 28:29 - "It’s not our fault they can’t shoot. . . "
32:20 Mark
The only thing that matters is the last few minutes. The last 4 minutes, the last 3 minutes, the last 2 minutes, whatever . . . when it comes down to it that’s what everybody is going to remember . . . you need to be really good for 36 minutes and you need to be great for the last 4 in a college game . . . end the game correctly.
Around 33 Minutes – On the UK-Wisconsin Shot Clock Violation
“You've got mass confusion . . . Calipari is jumping around, which he always does anyway, so that’s nothing ... that’s (pause) not normal . . . .” Had ideas about what he would have done in that situation.
36:15 – On Media & Social Media
“It’s so over the top that everybody expects us to work a perfect game.”
Starts talking about Jay Bilas and brackets not being perfect, “Kentucky’s going to win the whole thing...” You don’t fire analysts because they don’t have a perfect bracket.
Refers to a colleague who said something he shouldn’t have. “Is he done? I hope not.”
43:05 - Sometimes you have to take an incorrect call for the team (fellow referees) and to prevent the game from blowing up on you.
44:45 - On Coach-Referee interaction. Coach K loves to get people in his net at a timeout. (He doesn’t get caught up in it, stays away from it as much as he can). If you keep listening, he talks about how coaches want “milktoast” at home, don’t want anybody rocking the boat.
47:38 - “End the Game Correctly. When the game’s on the line, it’s a 6 Eye Play, that’s the way I look at it, nothing else matters. It’s 6 eyes. Don’t get stuck in your pie with 5 seconds to go . . . . get your eyes to the action area.”
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No wonder he sucks, just call the damn game by the rules
Luckie on Giving Lesser Known Coaches a Lot of Latitude
Read the transcribed notes or watch the full video 2 posts above for the entire context. A partial quote is: “Because all he’s trying to do is keep it close. He knows he can’t beat Duke in Cameron Indoor Stadium. . . But he knows that we didn’t let the Duke players beat the . . . out of the Elon players. And he knows that we continued it right to the end. ‘Cause it’s important for him to lose by 18, not by 38 . . . . “
The game Luckie refers to himself “being the difference between a 20 point win and a 40 point win” was Elon (62) vs. Duke (75) in Dec. 2014. It wasn’t an 18 point or 20 point win, it was actually a 13 point win. Here’s the ESPN recap and stats, with an article excerpt:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/recap?gameId=400587849
“The Blue Devils never trailed and led by 20. But they also finished with a season-worst 17 turnovers, made just 14 of 27 free throws and were just 3 of 16 from 3-point range. ‘This is the worst we've felt all year after a win,’ Okafor said.”
You could describe this game like UK’s games were described in the articles a few posts back (Post 68).
In the video, in one breath, Luckie says to call it fair and even. In the next, give more latitude to the little guy and look to mirror calls.
But common sense says everybody doesn’t have to get a foul because the other team got one. You don’t have to look to mirror calls because the 2 teams are not the same! Yes, call it fair, but don’t try to “even it out” by unfair means, either, because you want to give the lesser known team more latitude.
I'm 1000% for a fair game, whatever that means for the outcome of any team, any day. But I find it disturbing that an official is proud that he is "the difference between Elon losing by 20 points and not 40 points" (but the reality was actually 13 points and left the Duke players dumbfounded). What if the momentum shifted and they lost? Yet, Luckie claimed "there's no way" the little guy could win. The acknowledgement that he is able to help the coach "keep it close" unsettles me. Just call it right! Nobody needs any favors.
The philosophy that nothing matters but the last four minutes is faulty. I even mentioned this in the opening post. It should be fair for 40 minutes, not 4! Of course end it well, but start it well and call it well the whole game, too.
I’ll end with a Luckie quote, “. . . it’s my game. We dictate how the game is played. . . it’s not our fault they can’t shoot.” That seems like an acknowledgement that his style of officiating creates an environment where shot selection can be difficult.
Read the transcribed notes or watch the full video 2 posts above for the entire context. A partial quote is: “Because all he’s trying to do is keep it close. He knows he can’t beat Duke in Cameron Indoor Stadium. . . But he knows that we didn’t let the Duke players beat the . . . out of the Elon players. And he knows that we continued it right to the end. ‘Cause it’s important for him to lose by 18, not by 38 . . . . “
The game Luckie refers to himself “being the difference between a 20 point win and a 40 point win” was Elon (62) vs. Duke (75) in Dec. 2014. It wasn’t an 18 point or 20 point win, it was actually a 13 point win. Here’s the ESPN recap and stats, with an article excerpt:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/recap?gameId=400587849
“The Blue Devils never trailed and led by 20. But they also finished with a season-worst 17 turnovers, made just 14 of 27 free throws and were just 3 of 16 from 3-point range. ‘This is the worst we've felt all year after a win,’ Okafor said.”
You could describe this game like UK’s games were described in the articles a few posts back (Post 68).
In the video, in one breath, Luckie says to call it fair and even. In the next, give more latitude to the little guy and look to mirror calls.
But common sense says everybody doesn’t have to get a foul because the other team got one. You don’t have to look to mirror calls because the 2 teams are not the same! Yes, call it fair, but don’t try to “even it out” by unfair means, either, because you want to give the lesser known team more latitude.
I'm 1000% for a fair game, whatever that means for the outcome of any team, any day. But I find it disturbing that an official is proud that he is "the difference between Elon losing by 20 points and not 40 points" (but the reality was actually 13 points and left the Duke players dumbfounded). What if the momentum shifted and they lost? Yet, Luckie claimed "there's no way" the little guy could win. The acknowledgement that he is able to help the coach "keep it close" unsettles me. Just call it right! Nobody needs any favors.
The philosophy that nothing matters but the last four minutes is faulty. I even mentioned this in the opening post. It should be fair for 40 minutes, not 4! Of course end it well, but start it well and call it well the whole game, too.
I’ll end with a Luckie quote, “. . . it’s my game. We dictate how the game is played. . . it’s not our fault they can’t shoot.” That seems like an acknowledgement that his style of officiating creates an environment where shot selection can be difficult.
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Seriously? Why do we always blame the refs? This game was called tight. both ways. Last year it seemed only we got screwed but this game both teams got screwed. No wonder people think we are crazy.
Isonator35,
This isn’t a “blame the refs” Thread. We acknowledge that he called it tight for both teams. The last several posts have mostly been Jamie Luckie in his own words. Just examining his philosophy of officiating. The video is quite interesting and explains things we’ve observed over the years.
This isn’t a “blame the refs” Thread. We acknowledge that he called it tight for both teams. The last several posts have mostly been Jamie Luckie in his own words. Just examining his philosophy of officiating. The video is quite interesting and explains things we’ve observed over the years.
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Hmmm
What I see are people discussing a referee’s interview.
I guess in addition to ignoring the game itself, we should also ignore the ref providing an interview about his approach.
Somehow, we are crazy because he gave an interview.
Makes sense to me.
Perhaps an example of Jamie Luckie giving the lesser known coach "more latitude" (see video above for more)
