And UGA fans delivered...93K for spring game. Going to be interesting to see if a DC can be successful in the sec with no hc experience. Sound familiar?
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Yup.
Stoops took over a team with about 3 sec caliber players in the starting lineup.
Smart takes over a team littered with 5 star blue chips.
Wonder what the results will be?
Stoops took over a team with about 3 sec caliber players in the starting lineup.
Smart takes over a team littered with 5 star blue chips.
Wonder what the results will be?
I know right. Should be gravy for smart. Stoops took over a Mac school in the SEC. Talent wise that is.
I posted here before how excited the fanbase is with the change, right now no one can say if he will be successful or not but it won't be for lack of effort. By any way you look at things, Richt was a pretty good recruiter, but Kirby is putting way more emphasis on it than Richt every did, plus a couple of his hires were much better recruiters than I expected. I posted earlier that I don't think we will get to 9 wins with a new staff and either a true frosh at qb or the one we had last year and I think that will be fine with the fans IF we show up every game.
I think you believe we recruit much better than we actually have, we had 3 5* on the roster in the 15 season, Theus and OT, Thompson a DT and Michel a RB and 2 of those didn't start. Now we had alot of 4* and will have 5, maybe 6 5* the 16 season depending on what Demetrius Robinson does next month. But our talent level is below several SEC teams as we usually finish from 4-7 in SEC rankings.
Kirby is doing the right thing - he is locking down in-state recruiting. Saban and Spurrier have both recently said that UGA is the plum coaching spot in the SEC, and for this very reason - the state produces massive amounts of football talent. Now, if he can coach a lick, watch out!
Don't tell that to those that think Stoops is failing.
I think you'll be very hard pressed to get any sympathy on this board about Georgia's recruiting short fall
I don't think Stoops is failing at all. I think he is learning and has the potential to be a very good coach. Just wished he had surrounded himself with a staff from the start that is built with experience at the highest levels. If WKU can bring in guys like that surely Stoops could of.
He needed experienced guys to give him advice and already have recruiting tied and coaching experience to sell to recruits.
Instead a lot of the staff is very green and has had little to no experience and very little coaching connections. Those hires could be hit or miss and we missed on several of them in my opinion.
He needed experienced guys to give him advice and already have recruiting tied and coaching experience to sell to recruits.
Instead a lot of the staff is very green and has had little to no experience and very little coaching connections. Those hires could be hit or miss and we missed on several of them in my opinion.
I think you'll be very hard pressed to get any sympathy on this board about Georgia's recruiting short fall
lol, true enough, but no matter how good or bad it is, you want better. Just so many kids in Georgia that were raised in households that are fans/alumni of other schools, especially in the metro Atlanta area. Top player in Georgia is very likely heading to UT, because an uncle played there and in 16 he went to AU because of a brown bag.
You're welcome and thank you for contributing your vast knowledge of the game to the thread.
To hell with those that think that. I got nothing but love for this coaching staff.
Stoops has made his mistakes. He has also struggled with his OC's. Hopefully this is the year it all comes together. He will soon have "his guys".
Because he wanted them, it was the least expensive thing he asked for. Wanted food and alcohol too, got both of those. The first choices had scheduling conflicts, he approached the athletic office and they gave him what he asked for to perform. Good deal maybe not, but the recruits loved the washed up old rapper. It paid off pretty well, we got 5, supposely Sat. supposely who are going to announce publically between the spring game and our big summer camp. I have to see those before I buy into that though. But according to everyone the kids were hyped about the show and game. The show was for them, the game for the fans and why we threw so much.
Hopefully all the really big misses are gone now, hard to tell sometimes though. Hopefully Stoops knows a lot more about it than we do (although some on here won't admit it) and the worst is over. It seems like he now as the support to make the changes he wants to make, not like Joker having to keep a "co" defensive coordinator because of his buyout.
Mainord
Schlarman
Brumbaugh
Obvious reasons.
I think it would have been a good move if Stoops had brought in a legit experienced DC and had Elliott move to the DL. Of course you prob wouldn't have brought him in from fl St either.
This year a fire has been lit under him on the recruiting trail and that's something I like to see otherwise I'd have him down on the list as well.
Obvious reasons? Schlarman is widely considered the team's favorite coach and he's putting together the best Oline in school history. We haven't been taking a bunch of JUCO's we've started from scratch with true freshmen. It takes 4-5 years to build a SEC quality Oline with the depth that you need to win in our conference. It's still too early to judge his development of our Oline but what can't be questioned is his role in building a fantastic group of highly rated Olinemen that never would've set foot on our campus in the past.
Mainord was hired because Brown wanted to bring his own guys. That was not a hire that Stoops had much to do with. Stoops wanted Brown here badly and he allowed Neal to create his own staff. Mainord wasn't working out after Brown left and he was sent packing after one season.
I think Brumbaugh is an underrated coach and we are going to find in the next couple years that we were lucky to have him. He was a rumored candidate to join Muschamp's staff at USCjr. So far he's developed a 1st round pick, a 3rd round pick, and now CJ Johnson and possibly Melvin Lewis are going to be drafted. Not too bad considering how few DLinemen have been drafted from UK in the past
Well all your bringing up is conjecture... Rumor has it.... widely considered.....
The OL coach may just now start to land talented OL prospects.. who are in state guys I might add. But he has now been here for almost 3.5 years. So your now saying that we still need to give him another 3 years maybe more I might add to develop these guys into the best OL in school history. That's a stretch.. We have landed several 5.7 and other recruits who have had multiple high Div 1 offers and they havn't done anything.
It seems if the kid doesn't step foot on campus with those qualities already instilled in him then he doesn't progress any.
All I want to see is results, what I see on the field is the QB running for his life. Argue with that.
It's a good thing the state of Ky is now producing high caliber talent because if it wasn't for that he wouldn't land anybody.
Mainord according to your reasoning of Schlarman should be on staff because we have talented WR on the team. Even though they havn't progressed any during their time here.
Brumbaugh was rumored....thats right rumored. The rumor was that a guy on the staff at UK was being targeted as a DC for another school. It clearly wasn't Brumbaugh, it was Buh and he ended up leaving anyways to Maryland. It was guys like you speculating it was Brumbaugh because of his ties to Auburn.
If Brumbaugh was highly sought after then we would have offered him a much more lucrative contract very early on to keep him. We didn't, didn't have too. He come here from a Junior College. JUNIOR College...
The results on the field from our DL unit is terrible. I don't care what players are drafted you have to have results on the field. Our DL has looked horrible. The guys who were drafted from here were drafted because of their freakish athletic ability, not their polished technique.
"Dupree was considered extremely raw coming out of Kentucky. In fact, Dupree is experiencing having an outside linebackers coach for the first time, and Joey Porter is certainly putting his stamp on the player Dupree is, and will become."
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...kie-bud-dupree-making-his-presence-felt-early
Richardson and Krok both gave up football and were being counted on to be the tackles from those early classes to solidify the line. Nothing Schlarman or Stoops could have done about that. Richardson came from money and decided the work wasn't worth it when he was sitting on a gold mine. Krok was injury prone and gave up football. So Schlarman doesn't get credit for landing Army all Americans because they were born in KY? Well that is his recruiting territory so it makes sense that he didn't sign the highly touted guys until they graduated HS in his territory. He identified a 5 star OT in his freshmen year when he had zero offers from anyone. Then he offers the OT at Belfry that was on no one's radar then he receives an offer from Bama. So now we don't give due credit for coaches landing in-state players anymore? After all of the highly recruited guys for decades that went to UL, Tennessee, ND, USC, ect? Those guys could throw a dart at the map and go anywhere they hit but now we assume that those kids are coming to UK no matter if every elite program in the country wants them. Pretty stupid assumption of you ask me.
I was not the one that reported that Muschamp was interested in Brumbaugh it was actually JR that reported that from his sources that so far have been spot on. It was not confusion between Buh and Brumbaugh for a coordinator position. It was known all along that it was Buh that was offered the ST Coordinator job at Maryland (the school wasn't known at the time). So yes I do believe something when it's JR that reports it because he doesn't post unverified rumors.
Bud is a very polished rush DE that the NFL is converting to an outside linebacker (hence unpolished bc they are changing his position) but that doesn't change the fact that he was an All SEC performer in college as a DE. Melvin Lewis is not freakishly athletic and has very sound technique. He was preseason all SEC and came in as a two star JUCO with no offers from anyone. His development is nothing short of stunning when you consider where he came from. Brumbaugh recruited Big Z here and he did have a good career at UK before leaving. CJ Johnson had an outstanding year last year and developed leaps and bounds from his first year here. Brumbaugh has been on the losing end of a lot of the misfortune of past recruiting classes and they weren't guys that he was te lead recruiter for. He was also dealt a bad hand with injuries and eligibility issues. DaVon Hamilton flipped to OSU, Strowbridge flipped to UNC, Provitt didn't qualify, Tubman was kicked out of school, Lewis broke his leg, and Dubose tore his ACL. How can you expect the man to put together a strong unit with all of that working against him??
Oh my just so many excuses on why we have such poor play. One side of your mouth your touting how awesome of players we have then the other side oh poor Brumbaugh all those players that went elsewhere.
He has recruited very poorly while here most everyone of the recruits is coming from other coaches. He needs to step it up.
Was Bud better as a junior or as a Senior?
Johnson had 4-5 games where he was really good, what he have like 15 tackles in one game? Where is his draft position thought to be? Which round?
Seems our guys are being drafted on their athletic ability instead of their skill set.
I talked to an OL and I asked him who has been the best guys you have gone up against. He immediately spouted off Bud Depree from Ky and Nkemenchi from Ole Miss. Said their athletic ability was off the charts. Talked more about Bud than the Ole Miss kid and how fast he was for his size. Never mentioned how good of a technique he had or how well coached. Just his speed
Also Cincinatti was in Schlarmans territory how many recruits did he land from their?
Stick him in say Florida and see how many guys he lands that's 4-5 star level. Don't even have to go that far let's say just stick him in Ohio. Shoot Marrow landed Leavett, Marrow brought in GAA etc etc. All those out of state guys are other coaches landing them and up to the OL coach to keep them and coach them up.
With all the injuries we are having maybe the coaches are doig something that is putting too much stress on their bodies? Maybe their not keying in on certain workouts that builds up those weak spots?
What I'm looking at is results. We have this upcoming year the 2nd biggest line in the sec. We should be able to pound the ball but yet you will see thread after thread on poor line play on both sides of the ball.
Why is it that coaches at other schools will take the same exact rankings of recruits or less heralded and have much better play?
Also why are you not in this thread spouting off your vast amount of excuses to every other poster complaining about line play??
https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/elliot-comment.189831/#post-4446807
Sounds like your perfectly willing to sacrifice the programs competitiveness On the the lines. For the sake of just a couple of coaches who have yet to prove they can put out units that are sec worthy. If you don't remember EKU was giving our lines all they wanted and then some. You can't tell me that over the whole DL and OL that EKU has much higher rated recruits than we do. They might have a transfer come in that's good but over the whole team??? Same thing for WKU and they have only been Div 1 for what 8 years? Maybe less? Their classes ranked around 100 over the whole time but yet their play is much better.
Proof is in the pudding
Boom set a school record averaging 7.1 yards a carry last year because our offensive line opened those holes. Towles took those sacks because he was too damn scared to step up into the pocket. He bailed on the pocket and took a ton of unnecessary sacks. Dawson called passing plays that took 4-5 seconds to develop leaving our tackles high and dry. The receivers struggled to get open against press coverage all year forcing Towles to hold the ball too long even on two step drops. Call it excuses if you want but the entire offense was out of sync and the offensive line took all of the blame from people too ignorant of the game to see how much was going wrong all over the field. Eddie Gran is an old school dude that calls it like he sees it and he has done nothing but rave about the Oline all spring. Schlarman in Cinci? Do you even have a clue how many players he targeted there? If you did maybe you'd understand why he wasn't getting any.
Schlarman 2013 targets
2014 targets
2015 targets
2016 targets
He targeted exactly zero Cinci kids according to Rivals so if you can find guys that Rivals missed please enlighten me.
You are the kind of poster that draws conclusions from numbers without analyzing situations and seeing the broader picture. The game is complex and you simplify it to the point of calling any legitimate reason for a unit struggling an excuse even if it was beyond their control. Intelligent discussion isn't possible when everything is an exuse and anything short of greatness is the coach's fault so fire him! Schlarman can't control the QBs pocket presence, the RBs not picking up blitzes, the receivers not getting open, the play call, injuries, ect so if nothing matters to you but sacks and pancakes you're pretty clueless and I'm wasting my time even trying to discuss this with you. All 11 guys have to be on the same page or the OL gets blamed every time a play ends in negative yardage. I see your posts all the time and want to reply because I never agree with you on anything but I resist because I know that any discussion with you devolves into this. You have 10k posts and 600 likes so no one else agrees with you either
Kirby turned down alot of jobs for what he thought was the right one. Hope he's ready. Mark Richt averaged 9.5 wins a season and they couldn't wait for him to go. He was their Tubby in he won but wasn't really in the title hunt so they wanted him out. If he had done that here we would of built statues for him. Kirby also inherited a loaded roster so he better come out swinging for the fences ?
