Yea. One can pick out flaws in any program if one chooses to look and make a point. I would argue that those guys did well for themselves. The physical talent that it takes to make a splash in the NBA is extraordinary and coaching becomes secondary. There is one thing though that Kentucky fans and Duke fans could maybe agree on. UNCheat must be punished for institutionalized cheating over a period of decades dating from his holiness saint Dean.
Kentucky making up ground with Giles
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I know Giles is ranked #1 and will surely be a difference maker for whatever team he chooses but if you look at the potential roster of 16-17 UK I think Fox and Monk are better gets then Giles based solely on needs.
16-17
7-0 Humphries SO
6-10 Wynyard FR
6-11 SKJ FR
6-10 Gabriel FR
6-9 Willis SR
6-9 Lee SR Prob coming back unless he had improved his offense vastly this year
6-8 Poythress SR only played in 8 games last year so im sure he could apply and get a med red-shirt and be a 5th year senior if he fells he wont get drafted after this year
Still involved with 6-10 Bolden and 6-9 Allen
Backcourt
6-0 Hawkins SR
6-4 Mulder SR
6-6 Matthews SO
5-9 Ulis JR but honestly if he has a big year this year like expected he could be gone
Skal, Murray and Briscoe are 1 and done
G- Fox 6-4 FR/Ulis 5-9 JR maybe/Hawkins 6-0 SR
G- Monk 6-4 FR/Mulder 6-4 SR
F- Gabriel 6-10 FR/Matthews 6-6 SO/Willis 6-9 SR
F- Poy 6-8 5th yr SR maybe/SKJ 6-11 FR
C- Lee 6-9 SR maybe/Humphries 7-0 SO/Wynyard 6-10 FR
16-17
7-0 Humphries SO
6-10 Wynyard FR
6-11 SKJ FR
6-10 Gabriel FR
6-9 Willis SR
6-9 Lee SR Prob coming back unless he had improved his offense vastly this year
6-8 Poythress SR only played in 8 games last year so im sure he could apply and get a med red-shirt and be a 5th year senior if he fells he wont get drafted after this year
Still involved with 6-10 Bolden and 6-9 Allen
Backcourt
6-0 Hawkins SR
6-4 Mulder SR
6-6 Matthews SO
5-9 Ulis JR but honestly if he has a big year this year like expected he could be gone
Skal, Murray and Briscoe are 1 and done
G- Fox 6-4 FR/Ulis 5-9 JR maybe/Hawkins 6-0 SR
G- Monk 6-4 FR/Mulder 6-4 SR
F- Gabriel 6-10 FR/Matthews 6-6 SO/Willis 6-9 SR
F- Poy 6-8 5th yr SR maybe/SKJ 6-11 FR
C- Lee 6-9 SR maybe/Humphries 7-0 SO/Wynyard 6-10 FR
Can you promise that this will happen? I would hate to see them walk untouched.
I never understand why people always talk about Giles and Fox/Monk as if they are competing for scholarship or playing time. Giles is a PF/C...he'll be better than all of our interior players, therefore he's a great get.
I'm HAPPY coach cal is fighting for Giles even tho it's an uphill battle. He's that kind of talent, and having him solidify our position for next year. In fact we would be clear favorite to win National Title!
coaching becomes secondary.... :-/ Let Coach Pop know that. People who doesn't know say these insane comments. Both physical talent as well as coaching is vital to NBA basketball.
Poythress won't be back unless he has another injury. Let's hope he isn't back.
But your point is valid. We need Fox and Monk worse than Giles, just based on what we have coming back and coming in already. The frontcourt is in good shape, we just need an elite PG (first priority) and an elite shooter/scorer (second priority) to round out the team. Another star inside is icing on the cake, IMHO.
Yes. I know politics and this is as much political as anything.. They went a bridge too far and will pay a price for it. In real life, there is no such thing as too big to fail. You guys know that. At this point, they delay just to put of Thor's hammer, even they know what is going to happen. If there had been a real leader, in that situation, that person would have said, ok get it over with. Did not happen. Is embarrassing to all native North Carolinians for it touches on state politics. They are going to get the #### hammered out of them and they deserve it. They may never really recover. But to the point of the thread, we figure that Giles will be a Blue Devil and you guys will nontheless field a worthy opponent also.
Dude. At a certain point, it really is about just talent. Now some coaches might be better at recruiting and managing said talent but in the end, it is the players who rise or fall. I think that starts to hold true once they get to college and for damn sure holds once they get to the NBA.
We were also told that Duke actually advised Giles to go to Oak Hill.
I want Giles bad and would like to be wrong but I think he's been Duke bound for a while.
Any uncertainty is likely being manufactured for the sake of building hype and suspense either so the kid can have his moment or for publicity IMO.
I just think a lot of kids are advised to do it this way because it helps build their brand.
DUDEEEEEEEEEE. Not true, but keeping hoping for that. I'm not disagreeing with the importance of talent.
However, coaching is just as vital to bring together the right pieces and providing maximum potential of each individual players.
You act like it's impossible for a kid at oak hill to pick Duke. Quinn Cook and Nolan Smith both played at Oak Hill. And both won titles at Duke.
The only player we've gotten from Oak Hill during that time is Doron Lamb. Who also won a title.
Maybe Coach K sees a trend.
Either way, that's what we were told on the premium forum by Eric Bossi.
I see no real disagreement. Think of college coaches at a high level and NBA coaches as CEOs. Collect as much talent as possible if they have the brand to sell and smart enough to survive a high profile situation. BTW I did not mean to offend you by calling you dude. I just did not know how to address you. My name is James Cabe and I have no real interest in being anonymous.
You might as well drop Alex from that equation. He is not going to get a medical redshirt and come back for a 5th year. Not happening.
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