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Kansas vs Arkansas Exhibition Friday

Cal was one of the biggest names in coaching well before he got to UK. I know there's this weird revisionist history thing surrounding Cal's career now that he fell off a bit, but he was at the top of the professions before he even stepped foot in Lexington.

Exactly.

I mean the whole reason everyone was excited about him coming to Kentucky in the first place way back in 2010 was because he WAS A BIG NAME lol.

We stared at a stream ...........of a door......for 3 days. We tracked flights.

I have no idea what he does in the future and I don't particularly care, but he was definitely big before he got here.
 
Validation of what, I know we’re good? Again, I didn’t start the thread, I didn’t seek anything, but if you’re going to say something like Kansas isn’t as good as UK-W, I think we owe to each other to hold each other accountable for such things.
I don't need to do anything. I am a UK fan on a UK message board, so I am not very interested in what an Arkansas fan thinks that I need to do. You are not being treated any differently than you would treat a UK fan on your message board.

You sound like you are new at this. You act like a fanbase who suffered Cal for way too long doesn't know much about the man. There is nothing that you can tell the UK fanbase about Cal that we haven't already experienced.

Your current Arkansas team isn't even close to being one of Cal's most talented teams. It isn't as talented as his final UK squad. So, I understand your excitement about UK's exiled coach and some of its cast away players. You are not used to having very much talent or attention, which is causing you to not know how to act. You should just slow your roll until you have at least won a couple of conference games before acting like you are on the way to the final 4.
 
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He was awful last night. He looked like he lacked confidence and struggled

That's what I'm getting at he is a 5th year player who avg 18 points plus a game last year and every major team wanted him. He did not start over a fresh and soph and played 10 less minutes then that same frosh and soph. I'm sure he's wondering why I know I would be...
 
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Your making a long term assumption that they will be bad based on little data, and are calling me out for it, when you are doing the same thing, just to make the opposite argument. And no, I have thought the whole time Arkansas will be good this year, they have the roster to be good for the coaching staff they have. We had fans on here acting like Kentucky won a damn championship for beating a D2 team, so you can’t say Arkansas beating a high major opponent is any less of an overreaction. I wanted cal gone for multiple seasons now, but this roster he has is built for him to be good this year.
If you read the scoring predictions before the game which I am sure you did, didn't have Kentucky scoring anywhere close to the point that they did. Those same predictions had K-W scoring considerably more than what they actually did. So, the excitement was because Kentucky greatly outperformed what was expected.

Hell, KU couldn't shoot 50 percent from 3 land in a shoot around drill unguarded let alone doing it in a game. Good 3 point shooting against a D2 team can easily translate into good shooting against D1 teams with a competent coach running good plays to get players open. So, if you want to sing Cal's and Arkansas' praises, by all means do so, but don't expect see it from me.
 
I wish people would stop saying “sloppy seconds” when Pope is much lower on the coaching chart in the present and past (resume). Pope has a lot to prove based on his resume of never winning in the tournament. And yes he has gotten better players since he’s at a better school, but the flip side is he’s always had much older players than other colleges while at BYU which gave him an advantage. Factor in that he was Kentuckys third choice at best and he has a lot to prove.

This wouldn’t matter as much at other schools but hes at Kentucky and the lowest of expectations is to be better than Calipari (if your being honest) for this season, and after this season, minimum expectations is sweet 16, Elite eight, final four, title or at least getting to the title game, within the next four years in any order other than reverse

I agree, Arkansas is getting the old cal for one year, after that they are gonna get the washed up version we had for the last 5 years
You seem to not know whether to praise Cal or to bash him. As a result of some of the embarrassing losses Cal had at Kentucky over the past 5 years, he had more than enough reasons to work harder, but it didn't seem to matter. Why do you think it matters now?
 
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You seem to not know whether to praise Cal or to bash him. As a result of some of the embarrassing losses Cal had at Kentucky over the past 5 years, he had more than enough reasons to work harder, but it didn't seem to matter. Why do you think it matters now?
I’m not a cal fan, I have been on the cal is washed train for awhile now. But even washed coaches can have a good year every now and then. This Arkansas team is a prime cal team. They will be a contender in the league and should make a run in march. Whether they do that is up to cal and the players, but the team is in place to do it
 
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13 pages yapping about Cow and the Hogs. SMH 🤦‍♂️
The ass is gone……let’s move on. We have a GREAT young coach who is going to prioritize UK and not getting guys drafted.
We have a very exciting, multi talented team getting ready to start the season.
The one and only game I will care about the Hogs play this year is when they come to Rupp.
The other 35+ games I could care less who’s playing and what the results are.
 
I’m not a cal fan, I have been on the cal is washed train for awhile now. But even washed coaches can have a good year every now and then. This Arkansas team is a prime cal team. They will be a contender in the league and should make a run in march. Whether they do that is up to cal and the players, but the team is in place to do it
I am willing to make a friendly wager that they will not make a run in the NCAA tournament.
 
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He was awful last night. He looked like he lacked confidence and struggled
Interesting.. I’m going to watch the replay, only caught the end of the game. I wouldn’t take too much from it because exhibitions show not much and that wasn’t close to a real game but I figured he would be the leader. I, sure over the year they will rely on him quite a bit. Especially early on when defense gets played hard.
 
I’m not a cal fan, I have been on the cal is washed train for awhile now. But even washed coaches can have a good year every now and then. This Arkansas team is a prime cal team. They will be a contender in the league and should make a run in march. Whether they do that is up to cal and the players, but the team is in place to do it
I agree this team is a good prototypical Calipari team, however we all know he will screw up what works. Injuries will derail the season at a couple points. Guys will come back and not be close to 100% or what they were before the injuries. Do we even trust Cal to coach a decent tourney game? The last 4 years he looked scared to death and like he didn’t have a clue what to do. The first time they get a hot team, or a team that sticks around too long they will be toast. Honestly when is the last time you remember a great coached Calipari tournament game? I’d say maybe a 2018 or 2019 tourney game at some point? It definitely wasn’t Auburn because we choked that in typical style.
 
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Lol, you know those aren't the only two possible option, right? Someone can just be presenting fair opinions based on what they've seen without it being praise or criticism.
I agree with you about other possible options but show me where they were given. After suggesting that they were a top 10 team, the same poster stated that next season Cal would revert back to being a watched-up coach. Which option was used to define that version of Cal? Arkansas has played one preseason game against a banged-up KU team who was incapable of beating any decent team on Friday night. There was nothing demonstrated in that game to suggest that the Hoggs could beat a legitimate top 10 team. If being honest, KU looked nothing like a top 10 team. Was it because of injuries, only time will tell but they certainly didn't look like top 20 on Friday night.
 
I’m not a cal fan, I have been on the cal is washed train for awhile now. But even washed coaches can have a good year every now and then. This Arkansas team is a prime cal team. They will be a contender in the league and should make a run in march. Whether they do that is up to cal and the players, but the team is in place to do it
Is this Cal's team more of a Cal's team than the team last year? Cal had 2 of the best 3-point shooters in the country and still got bumped out of both tournaments before they could break a sweat. Cal has never been accused of not getting talent; it is what he does with it that cost him his job.
 
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Is this Cal's team more of a Cal's team than the team last year? Cal had 2 of the best 3-point shooters in the country and still got bumped out of both tournaments before they could break a sweat. Cal has never been accused of not getting talent; it is what he does with it that cost him his job.
Yes this Arkansas team is more cal than last years team was. Last year had shooting and a guy like rob dillingham, who in years past cal wouldn’t have considered. This Arkansas team is all athletes, and little to no shooting.
 
That's what I'm getting at he is a 5th year player who avg 18 points plus a game last year and every major team wanted him. He did not start over a fresh and soph and played 10 less minutes then that same frosh and soph. I'm sure he's wondering why I know I would be...
Thought they said he was coming off injury.

Anyone else notice that wagner did not take a single left handed layup! That was his go to move for uk last year.
 
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You seem to not know whether to praise Cal or to bash him. As a result of some of the embarrassing losses Cal had at Kentucky over the past 5 years, he had more than enough reasons to work harder, but it didn't seem to matter. Why do you think it matters now?
To prove to the know nothing uk fans he is still "great"
 
Is this Cal's team more of a Cal's team than the team last year? Cal had 2 of the best 3-point shooters in the country and still got bumped out of both tournaments before they could break a sweat. Cal has never been accused of not getting talent; it is what he does with it that cost him his job.
Because he wouldn't play the best players over his promised favorites
 
I don't need to do anything. I am a UK fan on a UK message board, so I am not very interested in what an Arkansas fan thinks that I need to do. You are not being treated any differently than you would treat a UK fan on your message board.

You sound like you are new at this. You act like a fanbase who suffered Cal for way too long doesn't know much about the man. There is nothing that you can tell the UK fanbase about Cal that we haven't already experienced.

Your current Arkansas team isn't even close to being one of Cal's most talented teams. It isn't as talented as his final UK squad. So, I understand your excitement about UK's exiled coach and some of its cast away players. You are not used to having very much talent or attention. which is causing you to not know how to act. You should just slow your roll until you have at least won a couple of conference games before acting like you are on the way to the final 4.
Can you quote the post where I suggested we were going to the Final Four? In reference to success and all that, we’ve been to two Elite 8’s and a sweet sixteen since y’all have been out of the first weekend, we are a top 15 program all time, and have a better outlook for this season (which admittedly doesn’t mean much). That’s not a flame, I just don’t understand all the aggressive talk about success that by and large wasn’t even during most of the posters here’s life time. I respect KY, I’m very familiar with the tradition, it’s definitely something to be proud of, but if you were/are who you think you are as a program…you wouldn’t have to make posts like this all the time. You know what they say about the loudest guy in the room?
 
Thought they said he was coming off injury.

Anyone else notice that wagner did not take a single left handed layup! That was his go to move for uk last year.
In reference to Johnell, Yeah he’s been hurt, but he wasn’t as impressive in terms of decision making and presence as I expected. I mean guys can miss shots and have an off night but you see the “it” that’s gonna eventually shine through…I didn’t really see that. I felt like the moment was a little too big for him, or maybe he was just pressing, but it definitely wasn’t his best day at the office.
 
Can you quote the post where I suggested we were going to the Final Four? In reference to success and all that, we’ve been to two Elite 8’s and a sweet sixteen since y’all have been out of the first weekend, we are a top 15 program all time, and have a better outlook for this season (which admittedly doesn’t mean much). That’s not a flame, I just don’t understand all the aggressive talk about success that by and large wasn’t even during most of the posters here’s life time. I respect KY, I’m very familiar with the tradition, it’s definitely something to be proud of, but if you were/are who you think you are as a program…you wouldn’t have to make posts like this all the time. You know what they say about the loudest guy in the room?
You reminded me that Arkansas has recently had more success in the tournament than Kentucky. However, you seem to forget that the guy who has you all excited is the same coach whose ineptitude is the reason why Kentucky hasn't accomplished much in the past 5 years. Cal's abilities didn't improve just because he went to Arkansas.

Kentucky is who they are because of their historic achievements and not because of what I think or what you think. If you had confidence in Arkansas, you would on the Arkansas message board posting your Ode to Arkansas instead of coming to the Kentucky message board in search for validation. You are here to get attention, and I have given you way too much of it. I am finished posting on this subject.
 
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13 pages yapping about Cow and the Hogs. SMH 🤦‍♂️
The ass is gone……let’s move on. We have a GREAT young coach who is going to prioritize UK and not getting guys drafted.
We have a very exciting, multi talented team getting ready to start the season.
The one and only game I will care about the Hogs play this year is when they come to Rupp.
The other 35+ games I could care less who’s playing and what the results are.
Unbelievable 13 pages on a KY page about Arkansas/Kansas exhibition
 
Yes this Arkansas team is more cal than last years team was. Last year had shooting and a guy like rob dillingham, who in years past cal wouldn’t have considered. This Arkansas team is all athletes, and little to no shooting.
Which is why they will struggle. Soon as teams start packing the middle and daring them to shoot and they trade 2’s for 3’s all night. It’s the same issue we had with him. Even with 3 phenomenal shooters on the court he went away from it last year when it mattered.
 
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Hogs looked good against KU and we know who was out for Jayhawks but thought they looked good and Hogs were without Aidoo.

I'm more concerned about UK basketball and all I learned tonight were things I knew:

1. Cal needed a change of scenery just as bad as Kentucky
2. Boogie Fland is awesome
3. DJ Wagner was smart to stay in CBB
4. Kentucky has moved on and can enjoy what they have as a program again too

I appreciate what Cal did at UK and it was just time to for both parties to split. Just think belittling or looking for reasons to dig at each other is odd. I mean UK played a style that was fun to watch and what fans have wanted to see and hopefully nobody ran over to Arkansas's board to brag about it. No need to. Coming here to talk about this win tonight is same for Arkansas or Cal fans. What's the point? Sometimes a move was needed for everyone involved.
This should be tattooed on anybody’s forehead who worries about what Cal does since he left UK.
 
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I am willing to make a friendly wager that they will not make a run in the NCAA tournament.
Deer Lort you are bitter.

BTW- I’ve been coming to this board for 20 plus years, through the good times and bad and never once for validation from a UK fan on a free message board

I respect the tradition and the fanbase and like talking hoops
 
Deer Lort you are bitter.

BTW- I’ve been coming to this board for 20 plus years, through the good times and bad and never once for validation from a UK fan on a free message board

I respect the tradition and the fanbase and like talking hoops
I don't remember responding your post. I guess my post to someone else described you. GOOD!
 
In reference to Johnell, Yeah he’s been hurt, but he wasn’t as impressive in terms of decision making and presence as I expected. I mean guys can miss shots and have an off night but you see the “it” that’s gonna eventually shine through…I didn’t really see that. I felt like the moment was a little too big for him, or maybe he was just pressing, but it definitely wasn’t his best day at the office.
I thought Davis was going to be out for that exhibition game due to injury, so I do cut him some slack. But once he was supposedly good enough to play, I figured he would still show a lot more offensively. So, I was also surprised. Still, I like Davis' chances of winding up as your best player. In the postgame remarks, Self called Davis Arkansas' most "talented" player - and he said that at the same time he was discussing Wagner and Fland.
 
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I thought Davis was going to be out for that exhibition game due to injury, so I do cut him some slack. But once he was supposedly good enough to play, I figured he would still show a lot more offensively. So, I was also surprised. Still, I like Davis' chances of winding up as your best player. In the postgame remarks, Self called Davis Arkansas' most "talented" player - and he said that at the same time he was discussing Wagner and Fland.
Davis has been nursing a wrist injury. I don’t even think he had practiced. Was surprised to see him play
 
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Cal has a top 10 team this season. We all know the talent is there. They have multiple future professionals. Fland is the real deal. Losing Quaintance was huge. Big Z needs to take at least 5 threes per game. He would have been a perfect compliment to Quaintance had JQ stayed with Cal.

The guard trio of Fland, Davis, and Wagner is probably the best in the nation. They've got tons of quality pieces. The question is: how does Calipari manage to screw it up? I think they have an Elite Eight-level team, maybe even Final Four-level.
Fair post. How we make a run. Lots of weeks between now and March and the SEC is the best conference this year IMO.
 
Yeah. I know they were missing Dickinson but based on what I saw, they can't defend and have no shooters.
Yeah they had some guys out but they looked horrible. As a side note Arkansas did play better defense than anything Cal had put on the floor the last 4-5 seasons at UK. Is it from the Kenny Payne effect?
 
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Watched the entire game Friday night, my biggest takeaways for both teams are...

1. You can try to belittle it, but Arkansas blowing out Kansas is an impressive win. It does mean something. That being said...

2. Kansas looked very bad without Dickinson and Griffin. Dickinson is their best player, but Griffin is an important piece because he will be on of their 2 best shooters. KJ Adams is very good in his athlete garbage man role, but needs to play alongside Dickinson and shooters to be effective. KU had to rely on running plays for Adams Friday, which just isn't going to work.

3. AJ Storr and Zeke Mayo looked really bad for Kansas. Part of that could be credit to the Arkansas defense, but overall they both shot horribly and looked lost out there. Griffin should be better than at least Mayo, but Kansas isn't the team to beat if Storr isn't what they though he'd be.

4. Boogie Fland is the real deal. He looked very under control running the offense, had good shot selection, and showed off a good mid range and driving ability. Also had 6 steals which is nothing to sneeze at. I still question his 3 point shooting, and I do think teams are going to zone Arkansas to death for that reason. Kansas obviously wasn't going to switch to a zone in an exhibition game.

5. D.J. Wagner looked better than he did in any game last year. I want to see him do it consistently, but he was smart with picking his spots, made 2-4 threes, and finished at the rim going right for a change. The 0 assists are a little concerning, but I think him playing off Fland is ideal.

6. Johnell Davis looked pretty bad. Small sample size and he has been hurt, but Arkansas needs him to be their best shooter and the go to guy to get a bucket when the offense is stalling out, especially against a zone. He looked a bit overmatched Friday.

7. Jonas Aidoo might ruin this Arkansas offense. I think Aidoo is a very, very good player, but he's exactly the type of player that gets Cal in trouble. Arkansas thrived off playing Z at the 5 and letting him work the perimeter to create space for Fland and Wagner. Aidoo is not an outside threat and is going to clog up the lanes. He is going to help them on defense, but I see him being like a better version of Ugo for us last year, slightly better defense for a way less efficient offense.
 
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