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Jamie Luckie Calls Calipari’s Sideline Behavior “Not Normal”

We know a coach can be reprimanded for criticizing officiating, and the media has been sued for the actions of others, but is it acceptable for a referee to say something negative about a coach in public? (WVU’s Bob Huggins was reprimanded for criticizing the officiating crew of Keith Kimble, John Higgins and Jamie Luckie). In the 2015 video clip below, Jamie Luckie is discussing Calipari’s sideline behavior after the Wisconsin shot clock violation:




He says, You've got mass confusion . . . Calipari is jumping around, which he always does anyway, so that’s nothing. That’s (pause) not normal.”

(For the full video, go back to Post 73)

The shot clock violation caused an already tight game to be tied, flustered our players who trusted the refs to do the right thing, and left many “what ifs” in the wake of that historic season’s only loss. What would be considered “normal” behavior in that situation?

Is a referee saying a coach’s behavior is “not normal” even allowed?
 
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Jamie Luckie: “The Only Thing That Matters is the Last Few Minutes”



Here’s a quote from the video, “The only thing that matters is the last few minutes. The last 4 minutes, the last 3 minutes, the last 2 minutes, whatever . . . when it comes down to it, that’s what everybody is going to remember . . . you need to be really good for 36 minutes and you need to be great for the last 4 in a college game . . . end the game correctly.”

There were many fouls called on both sides of our Sweet Sixteen match up, for a game total of 51, which on average was 1.3 per minute. In the final 4 minutes, where fouls tend to rack up in close games, there were a total of 5.

Here’s the play-by-play of our game vs. Kansas State: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/playbyplay?gameId=401025877

With 4 minutes to go, the score is KState 54, UK 55
(1 foul was called between the 3-4 minute mark)

With 3 minutes to go, the score is KState 56, UK 55
(No fouls were called between the 2-3 minute mark)

With 2 minutes to go, the score is KState 56, UK 55
(3 fouls were called between the 1-2 minute mark)

With 1 minute to go, the score is KState 58, UK 58
(1 foul was called in the last minute, with 7 seconds to go)

Final Score: KState 61, UK 58


My opinion: I certainly agree that a game needs to end well. But I also think officials need to be “great” the entire game. Some of us do remember the first 36 minutes. Most of the time, those minutes matter.
 
And how exactly would you know that? Do you frequent other message boards during games, and read game threads? I don't make it a habit, but in the past I have just to see if they did the same thing, and lo and behold they do. Imagine that.

Imagine that man
 
Luckie on “Hitting” Well Known Coaches

In the video from Post 73, Luckie talks a lot about coaches, starting at the 14 minute mark. He’ll say more around 44 minutes. Here is a quote from the 26 minute mark:


“Doug Shows is . . . the same, all the time. Coaches rarely mess with him, 'cause they know what they're gonna get. But he has hit John Calipari and hit Billy Donovan . . once you do that, the other guys, they stay out of your way . . . .”

So, in his view, it’s important for an official to hit a well known coach so that other guys will stay out of your way. Here are some examples of this and other patterns:

https://www.tarheelblog.com/2014/12/31/7472631/so-what-happened-last-night-with-roys-technical-foul

http://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/03/phil_martelli_calls_out_ref_ja.html

https://www.smokingmusket.com/2018/...lege-basketball-thoughts-free-throws-bad-refs

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/dec/18/tv-take-gonzaga-11-0-zags-volunteers-didnt-seem-be

https://www.bannersontheparkway.com...ig-east-basketball-final-score-bluiett-macura

Coach K calls Luckie Technical “Ridiculous, Shameful”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...k-technical-foul-shameful-ridiculous/6496661/

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/03/coach-k-throws-marker-technical

Gave Tony Bennett His Only Technical

https://247sports.com/college/virginia/Bolt/The-world-is-on-to-you-Jamie-Luckie-34538241

http://www.virginiasports.com/genrel/030610aac.html


Other Fanbases’ Similar Observations
http://guboards.spokesmanreview.com...-Jamie-Luckie-Terrible-Ref-or-Incompetent-Ref

Like we’ve said from the first post, it’s part of his style, the way he officiates. It is pretty clear that part of his M.O. is to “hit” well known coaches with technical fouls. It’s “his game” after all, he “dictates how the game is to be played” not the players (his words).
 
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What do three of these games have in common? Jamie Luckie!



3 out of the 4 games since 2010 called by the same whistle.

2010 ETSU win
2010 WVU loss
2018 K-State loss

Luckie, “It’s my game. . . (I) dictate how the game is to be played. . . .”
 
I have never liked Luckie and after watching that I like him even less. Perfect example of the attitude that the game is about them. Also, he is a lousy speaker. And he makes no sense much of the time. In the same breath he said players can't shoot anymore, and that the game is getting better and better. What?
 
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Luckie on Giving Lesser Known Coaches a Lot of Latitude



Read the transcribed notes or watch the full video 2 posts above for the entire context. A partial quote is: “Because all he’s trying to do is keep it close. He knows he can’t beat Duke in Cameron Indoor Stadium. . . But he knows that we didn’t let the Duke players beat the . . . out of the Elon players. And he knows that we continued it right to the end. ‘Cause it’s important for him to lose by 18, not by 38 . . . . “

The game Luckie refers to himself “being the difference between a 20 point win and a 40 point win” was Elon (62) vs. Duke (75) in Dec. 2014. It wasn’t an 18 point or 20 point win, it was actually a 13 point win. Here’s the ESPN recap and stats, with an article excerpt:

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/recap?gameId=400587849

“The Blue Devils never trailed and led by 20. But they also finished with a season-worst 17 turnovers, made just 14 of 27 free throws and were just 3 of 16 from 3-point range. ‘This is the worst we've felt all year after a win,’ Okafor said.”

You could describe this game like UK’s games were described in the articles a few posts back (Post 68).

In the video, in one breath, Luckie says to call it fair and even. In the next, give more latitude to the little guy and look to mirror calls.

But common sense says everybody doesn’t have to get a foul because the other team got one. You don’t have to look to mirror calls because the 2 teams are not the same! Yes, call it fair, but don’t try to “even it out” by unfair means, either, because you want to give the lesser known team more latitude.

I'm 1000% for a fair game, whatever that means for the outcome of any team, any day. But I find it disturbing that an official is proud that he is "the difference between Elon losing by 20 points and not 40 points" (but the reality was actually 13 points and left the Duke players dumbfounded). What if the momentum shifted and they lost? Yet, Luckie claimed "there's no way" the little guy could win. The acknowledgement that he is able to help the coach "keep it close" unsettles me. Just call it right! Nobody needs any favors.

The philosophy that nothing matters but the last four minutes is faulty. I even mentioned this in the opening post. It should be fair for 40 minutes, not 4! Of course end it well, but start it well and call it well the whole game, too.

I’ll end with a Luckie quote, “. . . it’s my game. We dictate how the game is played. . . it’s not our fault they can’t shoot.” That seems like an acknowledgement that his style of officiating creates an environment where shot selection can be difficult.
This is outrageous. I’m talking specifically about the Elon vs Duke part, where he seems pretty obviously saying it’s the responsibility of a good official to engineer a particular outcome (“it’s important for Elon to lose by 18, not 38.”). I mean, it’s commonly suspected that officials don’t simply apply the rules to the game without passion or prejudice, like robots. But he’s brazenly open about it....
 
JAMIE LUCKIE FACT SHEET

As I write, it is the day after our Sweet Sixteen loss to Kansas State on March 22, 2018. This post is not intended to be a “blame the ref” post, just a fact sheet of Jamie Luckie’s record vs. Kentucky in the NCAA Tournament. I think we can all agree that the game was ugly to watch. It reminded us of this season’s loss to South Carolina. And the 2010 Elite Eight heart breaker to West Virginia. It should, because Jamie Luckie was also on the whistle for those games. The South Carolina game had a Luckie-officiated-season high 59 fouls. 2010 WVU had 49. Last night, 51. In another Luckie-officiated game this season, there were 52 fouls in Villanova vs. UT.

Without re-watching the entire game yet, my initial reaction is that it’s not like the Higgins-officiated games of 2011, 2015 (+ Sirmons) or 2017 (+ Kimble) where the whistle was one-sided to our opponent’s favor. The Sweet Sixteen last night seemed awfully ugly for both sides. There were numerous comments online about how rough it was being called at first. The problem becomes when all the ticky-tack stuff is called most of the game and then let go in the final few minutes. The problem is when it comes down to the final minute – even seconds in this case – that there are always unnecessary “what ifs” left in its wake.

[It should also be noted that Jamie Luckie was on the whistle in the notorious matchup between West Virginia and Kansas this season, with a free throw disparity of Kansas getting to the line 35 times versus WVU’s 2. Bob Huggins was reprimanded for criticizing the officiating crew, which also included John Higgins and Keith Kimble (who both worked our Elite Eight vs. UNC last year). See: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=400989189 for more. He also officiated the very odd game between Virginia and Louisville on 3-1-18, where Louisville lost after having a 4 point lead in the final second: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/playbyplay?gameId=400986307 Virginia did not lose any games this season that Luckie officiated, nor did Duke].

Obviously, Kentucky had a great chance to win the game. What if we’d made more free throws? What if we had less turnovers? What if we made different decisions in the final seconds? What if we hadn’t started the game down 13-1? Why did we wait ‘til 16:33 to take a Time Out to try and stop K-State’s momentum? What if we’d had the early game? We didn’t do well this year in games with a 9pm or later tip off, going 3-5 (http://ukathletics.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=57 ). Why does our staff not show players much film of opponents, but others (e.g., Wisconsin, Kansas State) do? Why does the final game tape of a season not get watched, when the ending has been similar so many times? There are plenty of other Threads discussing those issues and more; this Thread is about how Jamie Luckie has called Kentucky games. I’m not here to debate those issues, we’ll really never know the answers. So we had our chances. But that shouldn’t stop us from questioning various aspects like officiating, when it most certainly has an impact on the game. Like Cal said last year, “It’s too big of a game for this!”

Here’s an interesting article with one perspective on why there’s so many fouls, yet some of the reasoning (higher scoring) tends to backfire in the type of game we saw last night: https://m.herosports.com/news/college-basketball-officiating-all-time-low

For live reactions during the Sweet Sixteen game on 3-22-18, here’s the Game Thread: https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/official-game-thread.262944/ Here’s the ESPN play-by-play, recap and stats: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/playbyplay?gameId=401025877 Those following live blogs and social media feeds know that there was general consternation at how the game was being called, on both sides.

Here’s Luckie’s record vs. UK, thanks to JP Scott: http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/statistics/Officials/Jamie_Luckie.html While we are 21-9 overall, in the NCAA Tournament (2010 X 2, 2011, 2012, 2018), we are 3-2. The wins have been in the round of 64 (1) or 32 (2), and the losses have been in the Sweet Sixteen and Elite Eight.

Here’s Luckie’s schedule for this and previous seasons (the site will likely take you to a main page, click NCAA men’s basketball and then find officials and then choose his name. Seasons will be in a drop down menu, the one most leftward at the top. You have a few free page views, private browsing recommended): https://natstat.com/mbb/officials/jamie-luckie

Here’s a few clips and comments from the game (I acknowledge some weren’t called by Luckie):

Look at the feet of K-State #20 on the Kevin Knox “charge”!


Those 2 points were taken away and a foul was given to Knox.

Another “foul” on Hami:





Rex Chapman live tweeted during the game and was livid. Due to foul language (pardon the pun), I won’t post his all his comments, but here’s a few:
















Here’s some interesting stats:



Luckie also officiated the 2010 WVU game.




Luckie also officiated the 2010 WVU game.


As noted above, Luckie officiated our 2010 Elite Eight loss to West Virginia. Here’s the play-by-play, stats and recap: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/playbyplay?gameId=300860096

Here’s the game video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F0YSYzD5dA

Here’s a video, cued to the technical on Deandre Liggins, simply for pointing out that a WVU player walked: https://youtu.be/5F0YSYzD5dA?t=32m15s


How many of us were reminded last night of the similarities to WVU in 2010? Both games could be described in the same way.

When you call 51 fouls in a 40 minute game, that’s nearly 1.3 per minute on average. That would make it hard for any team to have a flow or gain momentum. It’s common knowledge that Luckie officiates these types of games, it’s his M.O., with an abnormally high amount of fouls called compared to other officials. The games are not pleasant to watch and those he officiates often resemble one another in their ugliness. Normally efficient shooting teams can get completely disrupted. I could post article after article about games he’s officiated and fan bases that have taken issue with his style. I didn’t post this to bash him as a person, or to lay the blame for our loss solely on him, but rather to ask why the NCAA rewards such a known pattern with high level games? One would think they would want good, fair and exciting games for the players who have worked so hard to reach that moment. Instead, they get a slugfest that comes down to the final moments, rather than a fun basketball game.

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Funny this thread gets dredged up.

I was at both the WVU game in 2010 and the Kansas State game in 2018.

The WVU game is remembered for UK's horrible outside shooting. But UK's best shooter, Eric Bledsoe, was called for a second foul about 6 minutes into the game. He sat out the rest of the first half and never got into a rhythm the rest of the game because he was afraid of fouling out. I think he only played about 25 minutes.

You have to watch WHO gets the fouls and not just the numbers.
 
Funny this thread gets dredged up.

I was at both the WVU game in 2010 and the Kansas State game in 2018.

The WVU game is remembered for UK's horrible outside shooting. But UK's best shooter, Eric Bledsoe, was called for a second foul about 6 minutes into the game. He sat out the rest of the first half and never got into a rhythm the rest of the game because he was afraid of fouling out. I think he only played about 25 minutes.

You have to watch WHO gets the fouls and not just the numbers.
You raise an excellent point, and one that seems to be overlooked, by most: the details of the fouls. Who was it on? What was happening at that time? I recall one game, we were down by a couple of points, and right as we hit a 3, one of our big guys got a bullshit foul call while boxing out for the rebound. The ref waived off the basket. We lost that game. The raw stat tells nothing of the circumstances and greater impact on that particular game.
 
You raise an excellent point, and one that seems to be overlooked, by most: the details of the fouls. Who was it on? What was happening at that time? I recall one game, we were down by a couple of points, and right as we hit a 3, one of our big guys got a bullshit foul call while boxing out for the rebound. The ref waived off the basket. We lost that game. The raw stat tells nothing of the circumstances and greater impact on that particular game.
Type of fouls matters too. I see a lot of fouls 'on the floor' that go our way but the shooting fouls always seem to favor our opponent. That translates more readily into points which does affect the game.
 
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You raise an excellent point, and one that seems to be overlooked, by most: the details of the fouls. Who was it on? What was happening at that time? I recall one game, we were down by a couple of points, and right as we hit a 3, one of our big guys got a bullshit foul call while boxing out for the rebound. The ref waived off the basket. We lost that game. The raw stat tells nothing of the circumstances and greater impact on that particular game.
I’ve always said this, many times during the in-game thread.

The refs know exactly what they are doing when they do it, even if it might not be obvious to us. They think we dumbass fans just count fouls and bark about the disparities, so they think they are sly and getting away with it. I’m sure many of them have this little thing they joke about in their fraternity - “good luck proving it”.
 
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You raise an excellent point, and one that seems to be overlooked, by most: the details of the fouls. Who was it on? What was happening at that time? I recall one game, we were down by a couple of points, and right as we hit a 3, one of our big guys got a bullshit foul call while boxing out for the rebound. The ref waived off the basket. We lost that game. The raw stat tells nothing of the circumstances and greater impact on that particular game.
Type of fouls matters too. I see a lot of fouls 'on the floor' that go our way but the shooting fouls always seem to favor our opponent. That translates more readily into points which does affect the game.
 
Type of fouls matters too. I see a lot of fouls 'on the floor' that go our way but the shooting fouls always seem to favor our opponent. That translates more readily into points which does affect the game.

That’s exactly what happened in the final four game against Wisconsin. When Harrison would start to drive the lane they’d call a foul.
Harrison made a living that year on and 1’s on driving.
The championship game Wisconsin didn’t get that whistle, Tre Jones continually got and 1’s on the drive.
 
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Here’s some more:

Which player is shooting the free throws?

In the infamous K State game, the K state guards were getting free throws down the stretch, while our big guys (one, in particular) were getting to the line.

This is particularly important for fouls on the floor. A guard is dribbling 20 feet from the basket and the ref blows a whistle. Two shots (or 1+1).

On the other end, your guards are getting beat up and no fouls are called.
Ball goes into the paint, and the ref quickly blows a whistle before a big guy can attack the rim (if it appears he has an advantage).

People who don’t understand basketball do not see this stuff.

Then they say stupid stuff like, “our guards didn’t attack”, whereas they likely were, they just weren’t getting calls.

Meanwhile, the other team’s guards may not even be attacking really. They may just be getting marched to the line.

This is particularly interesting this year, because we have Quickley, who hits ~ 95% of his free throws.

Our focus in any close, late game should be to get him to the line.

However, don’t be shocked if the game we get eliminated in sees our guards (primarily IQ) failing to get to the line down the stretch.

Two things:

1) You can’t make a ref call a foul
2) You can’t prevent a ref from calling a foul

“Adjusting to the officials” is a myth.
 
Jamie Luckie is a good speaker and teacher from the video. He disrupts the flow of the game establishing his control. Watch that and if you think the guy doesn't have a vendetta, more power to you.

I put Luckie in the top 5 of refs I hate to see.
Think back to WVA and KSt and tell me those games had flow. The game should develop and be officiated fairly not have a Barney Fife putting his stamp on it.
 
That’s exactly what happened in the final four game against Wisconsin. When Harrison would start to drive the lane they’d call a foul.
Harrison made a living that year on and 1’s on driving.
The championship game Wisconsin didn’t get that whistle, Tre Jones continually got and 1’s on the drive.
This! Happened about half dozen times. 😡
 
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