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kyjeff1 said:
Billy Gillispie was the talk of the town in 2007.
Talk means nothing. What are his results? What has he accomplished?
Yes, Cal spoke highly of him, why wouldn't he? Is he supposed to trash him.
Good luck, but we've been through this before. Actually, so has IU, y'all though all these same things about Crean and he had more accomplishments than Miller does prior to taking the IU job. How'd that turn out?
Perspective gentlemen. You hired a 3rd tier coach. Aren't you supposed to be close to a blue blood program?
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Crean was an awful hire from day one. I don't know why you feel the need to speak for an entire fan base. I mean isn't this the same type of talk that gets you UK fans so upset? You know---lumping an entire base together?

Gillispe was the talk of the town. He was also a raging alcoholic. Who had major control issues. Not to mention he "won" at a P5 conference school; Texas A&M. Miller has accomplished more at a mid-major than BCG has period. The two are not even comparable. But you know this.

Miller is far from a third tier coach. And again, you know this. He's a terrific, young coach. And he'll win at Indiana.
 
uky8unc5 said:
Hiring Archie pretty much defines where IU is:
* Desperate to buy a Savior....
* But forced to shop at Walmart (Crean/Davis/Sampson/Miller).
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Crean/Davis I will concede. But Sampson? He's won 546 games. Won 70% of his games at Oklahoma. Has been to a Final Four. He was 43-15 at IU before "resigning". He could coach. Actually a really good coach. Had he been able to keep his nose clean, he'd probably still be at Indiana, and in all likelihood, would have won a title. Sampson is a bad, bad example. Not the most ethical guy. But he could coach.

If you follow basketball at all outside of Lexington, then you know Miller is a fantastic coach. Just watch his teams. Fundamentally sound. Hardly ever beat themselves. Play extremely hard. Very good system. His in-game adjustments are solid. In other words, the guy can coach. Now the question is----can he recruit at Indiana? My gut tells me he can. Very likeable guy. Down to earth. Communicates well. If he can simply get 50% of the talent that Indiana produces each year, he will be just fine(at IU). That is the biggest question. It's certainly not his coaching.
 
IUfanBorden said:
Crean was an awful hire from day one. I don't know why you feel the need to speak for an entire fan base. I mean isn't this the same type of talk that gets you UK fans so upset? You know---lumping an entire base together?

Gillispe was the talk of the town. He was also a raging alcoholic. Who had major control issues. Not to mention he "won" at a P5 conference school; Texas A&M. Miller has accomplished more at a mid-major than BCG has period. The two are not even comparable. But you know this.

Miller is far from a third tier coach. And again, you know this. He's a terrific, young coach. And he'll win at Indiana.
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Archie Bunker may make the NIt this year. Congrats.
 
MdWIldcat55 said:
Cal's first spring at Kentucky he brought the Cats John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins and Eric Bledsoe. Archie's first spring in Bloomington and all he's accomplished so far is Creaning Grant Gelon. He couldn't even convince James Blackmon that Bloomington was a better place to spend a year than with the Ft Wayne Mad Ants. Pretty weak start. And don't alibi that Crean left him no options. A creative, energetic guy would have made something happen by now.
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Why are you comparing Miller to Cal? That's just stupid. Cal could take the job at Grambling and still get the talent he gets. So to compare the two is absolutely ignorant.
 
The whole world* awaits with bated breath to see if Miller can get IUsedtobe back in contention before 30 years becomes 40. [laughing]


*Not really.
 
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kyjeff1 said:
Billy Gillispie was the talk of the town in 2007.
Talk means nothing. What are his results? What has he accomplished?
Yes, Cal spoke highly of him, why wouldn't he? Is he supposed to trash him.
Good luck, but we've been through this before. Actually, so has IU, y'all though all these same things about Crean and he had more accomplishments than Miller does prior to taking the IU job. How'd that turn out?
Perspective gentlemen. You hired a 3rd tier coach. Aren't you supposed to be close to a blue blood program?
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Just because Billy Clyde failed doesn't mean Archie will. Just because his brother has succeeded doesn't mean Archie will. But to call him a trap without coaching a game at this level is jumping the gun. He may not have a final 4 like Crean but he has more consistent results in his conference. Just from his demeanor and the way he acts with the media is a win over Crean.
 
IUfanBorden said:
Crean was an awful hire from day one. I don't know why you feel the need to speak for an entire fan base. I mean isn't this the same type of talk that gets you UK fans so upset? You know---lumping an entire base together?

Gillispe was the talk of the town. He was also a raging alcoholic. Who had major control issues. Not to mention he "won" at a P5 conference school; Texas A&M. Miller has accomplished more at a mid-major than BCG has period. The two are not even comparable. But you know this.

Miller is far from a third tier coach. And again, you know this. He's a terrific, young coach. And he'll win at Indiana.
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Oh really, what has Miller accomplished? I keep asking that question and all you IU fans want to do is say he has a bunch of accomplishments. Well, what are they?

Yeah, Gillispie won at a p5 conference, what's your point? Isn't that a more difficult thing to do than win games in the A10?

So now you want to say the whole IU fanbase wasn't fully on board with Tom Crean? I call Bullsh!t on that. You punks were over here thumping your chest when Crean was hired. You guys were unbearable when Watford hit "THE SHOT".
So yeah, I am lumping your whole fanbase together. Don't act innocent now.
 
IUfanBorden said:
Crean/Davis I will concede. But Sampson? He's won 546 games. Won 70% of his games at Oklahoma. Has been to a Final Four. He was 43-15 at IU before "resigning". He could coach. Actually a really good coach. Had he been able to keep his nose clean, he'd probably still be at Indiana, and in all likelihood, would have won a title. Sampson is a bad, bad example. Not the most ethical guy. But he could coach.

If you follow basketball at all outside of Lexington, then you know Miller is a fantastic coach. Just watch his teams. Fundamentally sound. Hardly ever beat themselves. Play extremely hard. Very good system. His in-game adjustments are solid. In other words, the guy can coach. Now the question is----can he recruit at Indiana? My gut tells me he can. Very likeable guy. Down to earth. Communicates well. If he can simply get 50% of the talent that Indiana produces each year, he will be just fine(at IU). That is the biggest question. It's certainly not his coaching.
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Okay, so you say Archie is a "fantastic coach". But why do you think that? What are his accomplishments beyond "his teams don't beat themselves" or "his kids play extremely hard"?
You guys keep saying his accomplishments are > BCG and TC. How? What has he done that the others didn't? Please, tell us.
 
Da_Bull said:
Just because Billy Clyde failed doesn't mean Archie will. Just because his brother has succeeded doesn't mean Archie will. But to call him a trap without coaching a game at this level is jumping the gun. He may not have a final 4 like Crean but he has more consistent results in his conference. Just from his demeanor and the way he acts with the media is a win over Crean.
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Go back and re-read my post. I never said Archie was a trap, I said you guys are falling into a trap… .as fans. You're all acting just like we were in 07 when BCG was hired. We thought we had something. But we quickly realized that he was in over his head. Winning regular season games at aTm and Dayton are much different than winning games under the bright lights and heavy weight that a UK or an IU brings.
Archie has done nothing to prove he's some great coach. Neither has Sean, don't know why you brough his name up, he fails when it really counts.
Congrats on landing Archie, I THINK he's a good coach, but he's going to have to prove he can win on a big stage. I just don't see it to be honest.
 
kyjeff1 said:
Oh really, what has Miller accomplished? I keep asking that question and all you IU fans want to do is say he has a bunch of accomplishments. Well, what are they?

Yeah, Gillispie won at a p5 conference, what's your point? Isn't that a more difficult thing to do than win games in the A10?

So now you want to say the whole IU fanbase wasn't fully on board with Tom Crean? I call Bullsh!t on that. You punks were over here thumping your chest when Crean was hired. You guys were unbearable when Watford hit "THE SHOT".
So yeah, I am lumping your whole fanbase together. Don't act innocent now.
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hey Jeff, you know I'm usually on board with your posts and totally agree with you most of the time
on this one though - while I can't say anything about the argument about Archie Miller, I can back up IUBorden on this: he's NEVER liked Crean. Read his posts on the national board several times and he's been consistent. He was hopeful about being wrong (as many of us were about BCG) but was never a fan. And, IIRC, while excited about the Watford shot, he didn't go overboard with it, like many of this fellow fans did. Can't say much for the others, but Borden is okay

and now I feel a little dirty for defending an IU fan.
 
Gosh, a sensible IU fan comes to our board and isn't disrespectful, yet a handful of you love being harsh.

We're better than this, folks.

Archie Miller is a step up from Crean. The fact that he teaches defense is a huge plus. Maybe he'll turn things around, maybe he won't, but the fact remains that was IU's best option. Alford wasn't on the board, but thankfully he wasn't. The only reason Alford has a job still was because of Ball.

Anyway, be nicer, folks. It's okay to be nicer.
 
Bkocats said:
hey Jeff, you know I'm usually on board with your posts and totally agree with you most of the time
on this one though - while I can't say anything about the argument about Archie Miller, I can back up IUBorden on this: he's NEVER liked Crean. Read his posts on the national board several times and he's been consistent. He was hopeful about being wrong (as many of us were about BCG) but was never a fan. And, IIRC, while excited about the Watford shot, he didn't go overboard with it, like many of this fellow fans did. Can't say much for the others, but Borden is okay

and now I feel a little dirty for defending an IU fan.
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I'll believe it because it's coming from you, but nevertheless, he's part if a fanbase that rivals UL's as far as stupidity and ignorance. He doesn't want us to paint the whole fanbase with a broad brush, but as a UK fan, he gets no sympathy from me.
 
kyjeff1 said:
Go back and re-read my post. I never said Archie was a trap, I said you guys are falling into a trap… .as fans. You're all acting just like we were in 07 when BCG was hired. We thought we had something. But we quickly realized that he was in over his head. Winning regular season games at aTm and Dayton are much different than winning games under the bright lights and heavy weight that a UK or an IU brings.
Archie has done nothing to prove he's some great coach. Neither has Sean, don't know why you brough his name up, he fails when it really counts.
Congrats on landing Archie, I THINK he's a good coach, but he's going to have to prove he can win on a big stage. I just don't see it to be honest.
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I don't know who "you guys" and "you all" is referring to but it wasn't me. I didn't even know who Crean was when he was hired. Thought we were in trouble when he only won 12 games his 3rd year. I don't see how you can say Sean has done nothing. Now compared to what Cal's done here, which is remarkable btw which some don't quite understand the magnitude of it, he hasn't but 3 elite 8's 4 Pac12 titles, 2 conference tournament titles, isn't bad after just an elite 8 and sweet 16 at Xavier. With the talent he's bringing in he'll break through eventually, perhaps this year. I don't see anyone making wild claims but after 9 years of Crean its hard not to feel excited. The most impressive thing to me that i've read about Archie is him making the elite 8 without a guy taller than 6'6.
 
nssdigitalchumps said:
Gosh, a sensible IU fan comes to our board and isn't disrespectful, yet a handful of you love being harsh.

We're better than this, folks.

Archie Miller is a step up from Crean. The fact that he teaches defense is a huge plus. Maybe he'll turn things around, maybe he won't, but the fact remains that was IU's best option. Alford wasn't on the board, but thankfully he wasn't. The only reason Alford has a job still was because of Ball.

Anyway, be nicer, folks. It's okay to be nicer.
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Don't know if you're referring to my responses or not.

All I'm asking is for someone to tell me what all these great accomplishments are. What has he done that is any better than what Crean did at Marquette? Nobody has answered that, yet they keep saying he has a big list of accomplishments, better than Crean's.

I'm just giving them a dose of reality, nothing more. We thought we had something great with BCG, but the pressures at UK are much different than they are at aTm.

We are about to find out if there's more pressure at IU than there is at Dayton.

so, if you think this is harsh, try posting on an IU board as a UK fan.
#itdoesntendwellatall
 
Da_Bull said:
I don't know who "you guys" and "you all" is referring to but it wasn't me. I didn't even know who Crean was when he was hired. Thought we were in trouble when he only won 12 games his 3rd year. I don't see how you can say Sean has done nothing. Now compared to what Cal's done here, which is remarkable btw which some don't quite understand the magnitude of it, he hasn't but 3 elite 8's 4 Pac12 titles, 2 conference tournament titles, isn't bad after just an elite 8 and sweet 16 at Xavier. With the talent he's bringing in he'll break through eventually, perhaps this year. I don't see anyone making wild claims but after 9 years of Crean its hard not to feel excited.
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What are Archi's accomplishments? Just please answer that.

Yes, I agree, even if Archie fails, he's still better than Creapy Crean.
 
kyjeff1 said:
What are Archi's accomplishments? Just please answer that.

Yes, I agree, even if Archie fails, he's still better than Creapy Crean.
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I've never made any claims regarding his accomplishments. 2 conference titles, 1 elite 8, which he didn't have a single player over 6'6.
 
Deli owl said:
Explains why you are here. I have been to your fan boards. Just terrible.
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I come here because I have a lot of connections with UK basketball. My brother lives in Lexington and has been a lifelong UK fan. My wife is a UK alum and a huge fan. I've always had a rooting interest with Kentucky; hence you don't see me over here spewing vile. Which unfortunately cvannot be said for you.

Indiana's message board is no different than here. Premium board is where Ispend my time.

Maybe if you'd just stick to talking basketball, you'd maybe realize that not all fans are as obnoxious as you think. Believe me, I certainly do not lump the thousands of great UK fans I've met with folks like yourself.

Have a good day.
 
IUfanBorden said:
I come here because I have a lot of connections with UK basketball. My brother lives in Lexington and has been a lifelong UK fan. My wife is a UK alum and a huge fan. I've always had a rooting interest with Kentucky; hence you don't see me over here spewing vile. Which unfortunately cvannot be said for you.

Indiana's message board is no different than here. Premium board is where Ispend my time.

Maybe if you'd just stick to talking basketball, you'd maybe realize that not all fans are as obnoxious as you think. Believe me, I certainly do not lump the thousands of great UK fans I've met with folks like yourself.

Have a good day.
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Ban this pos
 
kyjeff1 said:
You don't know your own fanbase very well.
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Sure I do. Of course there are those who are delusional, or let their hate for UK get in the way of rational thought. No fan base is immune to those type. But the sensible Indiana fans know Cal is a better coach/recruiter than Crean. And its not even close. I mean you guys have fans questioning Cal. Complaining about his coaching, recruting, etc, etc...Do they represent all of BBN? No, they don't. Nor do those who feel Crean was/is a better coach/recruiter than Cal represent all Indiana fans.
 
kyjeff1 said:
Okay, so you say Archie is a "fantastic coach". But why do you think that? What are his accomplishments beyond "his teams don't beat themselves" or "his kids play extremely hard"?
You guys keep saying his accomplishments are > BCG and TC. How? What has he done that the others didn't? Please, tell us.
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He's won 70% of his games. Crean 60%.....BCG roughly 52%
He's 5-4 in the NCAAT-----At freaking Dayton. In a mere 6 years.
He took Dayton to the Elite 8. As an 11-seed.
He missed the NCAAT twice in six seasons at Dayton. BCG missed the NCAA four times in 8 seasons as a HC. Crean missed the NCAAT in 5 of his 9 seasons at IU.

Miller's only been a head coach for 6 seasons. His winning percentage s better than both. And he's done this at Dayton. And in a pretty damn good conference; which he's won twice. He's done this in 6 years. Creans been coaching for 17.

Six years my friend. Give it time. I mean look at K's first feew years at Duke: 17-13, 10-17 and 11-17. Look at Cal's early years at Umass: 10-18, 17-14 and 20-13. Now if Miller had been coaching for 10 years or so, maybe you'd have a valid argument. But he's young(38). And very revered in world of CBB. He's going to do really well at Indiana IMO.

Now, I answered your question, so answer mine. Why do you think Miller isn't a good/fantastic coach?
 
kyjeff1 said:
Oh really, what has Miller accomplished? I keep asking that question and all you IU fans want to do is say he has a bunch of accomplishments. Well, what are they?

Yeah, Gillispie won at a p5 conference, what's your point? Isn't that a more difficult thing to do than win games in the A10?

So now you want to say the whole IU fanbase wasn't fully on board with Tom Crean? I call Bullsh!t on that. You punks were over here thumping your chest when Crean was hired. You guys were unbearable when Watford hit "THE SHOT".
So yeah, I am lumping your whole fanbase together. Don't act innocent now.
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Meh, have a good day fella. Obviously a rational discussion isn't in the books with you. Sorry you lump all IU fans together. But hey, hate is a strong, strong emotion. Fortunately, I don't lump the many fine folks I;ve met in Lexington with folks like you. If I did, I'd missed out on some really good people and friends.
 
KYCAT78 said:
NBA is about shooters, Briscoe has issues with shooting and is not quick enough and is not a great leaper to compensate enough for his inability to shoot. But I do not think either one makes a roster.
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I disagree. I think Briscoe will land somewhere. His baility to get to the rim at an elite level, his toughness and his rebounding will get him on a roster somehwere. As for his shot----It's not bad. His mechanics aren't awful. I've seen a lot fo guys enter the league who couldn't shoot, but once under the guidance of NBA led coaches/instructors, tht changed. I like Briscoe a lot. Hope like hell he makes it.
 
IUfanBorden said:
He's won 70% of his games. Crean 60%.....BCG roughly 52%
He's 5-4 in the NCAAT-----At freaking Dayton. In a mere 6 years.
He took Dayton to the Elite 8. As an 11-seed.
He missed the NCAAT twice in six seasons at Dayton. BCG missed the NCAA four times in 8 seasons as a HC. Crean missed the NCAAT in 5 of his 9 seasons at IU.

Miller's only been a head coach for 6 seasons. His winning percentage s better than both. And he's done this at Dayton. And in a pretty damn good conference; which he's won twice. He's done this in 6 years. Creans been coaching for 17.

Six years my friend. Give it time. I mean look at K's first feew years at Duke: 17-13, 10-17 and 11-17. Look at Cal's early years at Umass: 10-18, 17-14 and 20-13. Now if Miller had been coaching for 10 years or so, maybe you'd have a valid argument. But he's young(38). And very revered in world of CBB. He's going to do really well at Indiana IMO.

Now, I answered your question, so answer mine. Why do you think Miller isn't a good/fantastic coach?
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Why do I think Miller isn't a fantastic coach? I never said he was or wasn't a fantastic coach. How would I know if he is or isn't? Nothing he has done has really wow'd me. I'm just not willing to crown a guy who really hasn't done much of anything. I like him, but I'm going to take a wait and see approach.
 
IUfanBorden said:
Meh, have a good day fella. Obviously a rational discussion isn't in the books with you. Sorry you lump all IU fans together. But hey, hate is a strong, strong emotion. Fortunately, I don't lump the many fine folks I;ve met in Lexington with folks like you. If I did, I'd missed out on some really good people and friends.
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Sorry you feel that way. But all I did was ask you to state these accomplishments that you claim Archie has and I stated facts about your fanbase. What did I say that was inaccurate?
 
kyjeff1 said:
Why do I think Miller isn't a fantastic coach? I never said he was or wasn't a fantastic coach. How would I know if he is or isn't? Nothing he has done has really wow'd me. I'm just not willing to crown a guy who really hasn't done much of anything. I like him, but I'm going to take a wait and see approach.
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Thats fair enough. But why chastise IU fans over feeling he IS a fantastic coach? He wins(70%). Comes from a basketball family. Is highly thought of among his peers. His name constantly has came up for P5 jobs. Took Dayton to an Elite 8. They've been a mainstay in the NCAA's since his arrival. Has won two conference titles in a very competitive conference. And he's only 38.

Now with that being said, he could be a bust. The pressure(see BCG) may be to much. Who knows. My only concern is can he recruit well enough. We'll find out soon enough.
 
kyjeff1 said:
Sorry you feel that way. But all I did was ask you to state these accomplishments that you claim Archie has and I stated facts about your fanbase. What did I say that was inaccurate?
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What accomplishments did I ever boast about? I just said he's a really good/fantastic coach. And I give that opinion not because of his accomplishments, but how is teams look. You can tell his teams are well prepared. Fundamentally sound. Extremely good defensively(last three years his teams have been 31, 15th and 40th in AdjD). Hell If Indiana had those defensive numbers, they would've been really, really good. Offensively he has a sound system.

Look he's only been a h/c for SIX seasons. Not to many guys have an abundance of accomplishments during their first 6 years; i.e. see K, Cal, Calhoun, etc, etc...But with some coaches you can get a feel of their abilities by how their teams look. How they play. Are they strong fundamentally, i.e. defensive help, good fundamentals, etc, etc...Archie's teams have always looked well prepared. Played hard. Go watch some film of his teams. I'd be willing to bet your tune would change.
 
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I stated facts about your fanbase. What did I say that was inaccurate?
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So you feel comfortable in speaking for EVERY SINGLE IU fan? You honestly think every IU fan felt Crean was this great, terrific hire? That EVERY fan felt Crean was a better coach/recruiter than Cal? If so,ok. Pretty outlandish, but hey, it's your opinion. I can tell you though that from my experience when Crean was hired a lot of IU fans didn't even know who he was. Now I cannot speak for an entire fan base, but the majority of alum, fans, ec, etc...that I spoke with, a huge majority of them felt the Crean hire was bad. A panic hire so to speak. And you can count me as one of those fans. Go to rivals message baord. You'll see my feelings toward Crean. Terrible coach. Average recruiter. Good game planner. But terrible in adjusting. IN a nutshell---just an average coach.
 
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