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EclipsingYou said:
As somebody else with a nice connection to New Albany's program (Heck, my company is on Vincennes St), IU has a lot of ground to make up with on Romeo. I wouldn't even put IU in his top 3 as of now. Would probably put UK, UL, and Duke in front without him really leaning one way or the other, yet.

UL is probably #3 and losing ground more and more with their multiple shenanigans. I could see IU replacing them in his top 3 if Archie has a decent year.

Even though it is technically in Indiana, most people around here say they are from Kentucky instead due to it being less than 10 miles away. I think that hurts IU and any home state advantage that'd be possible.

All in my completely worthless opinion as always
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Meh, it didn't hurt Indiana under Knight, Davis or Sampson. All three landed highly touted Indiana kids; especially KNight. Hell Crean even managed to land some high-profile, Indiana talent; Yogi and Zeller.

I think the coaching change has changed Indiana's chances with Romeo. His mom loved Indiana. Loved Crean. Dad a UL guy. Indiana was always in the mix, just not as highly regarded as UK, Duke or UL. That was due to Crean. With his departure, that scenario has changed a lot.

I agree Indiana has some ground to make up. But its not impossible terrain to overcome. From folks I have spoken with, Romeo came away highly impressed with Miller. SO who knows.
 
wromanp7 said:
You live in Borden, I presume?
I'm living in Utah now, but my grandfather was Callistus Smith (insurance) and cousins are the Huber's (winery) and Koetter's (lumber).

Just seeing if any connection.. maybe peep my profile on new harmony... creepy post.
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Yes sir, I am from Borden. I know/knew Mr. Smith. He was goodf friends with my grandfather. Went to school with a couple of Koetter's. No Hubers, but I did attend school with a few Stumler's.

I don't live in Borden now. Haven't lived there in some time.

Here's someting ironic. My mom of course is from Borden. And she now lives------------In Utah.:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
 
IUfanBorden said:
Yes sir, I am from Borden. I know/knew Mr. Smith. He was goodf friends with my grandfather. Went to school with a couple of Koetter's. No Hubers, but I did attend school with a few Stumler's.

I don't live in Borden now. Haven't lived there in some time.

Here's someting ironic. My mom of course is from Borden. And she now lives------------In Utah.:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
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Lol, awesome. What part?
Maybe I've banged her.
 
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Meh, it didn't hurt Indiana under Knight, Davis or Sampson. All three landed highly touted Indiana kids; especially KNight. Hell Crean even managed to land some high-profile, Indiana talent; Yogi and Zeller.

I think the coaching change has changed Indiana's chances with Romeo. His mom loved Indiana. Loved Crean. Dad a UL guy. Indiana was always in the mix, just not as highly regarded as UK, Duke or UL. That was due to Crean. With his departure, that scenario has changed a lot.

I agree Indiana has some ground to make up. But its not impossible terrain to overcome. From folks I have spoken with, Romeo came away highly impressed with Miller. SO who knows.
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You finally have a really good coach in Miller.
Don't get cocky though, because once a program has been off the map a while, it's really hard to get it back.
 
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Lol, awesome. What part?
Maybe I've banged her.
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Banged my mom? I certainly would hope not. Unless of course you're into 65+ year old women. If so.....then maybe. Who knows.

She lives in Cotton Wood Heights. A suburb of Salt Lake City.
 
IUfanBorden said:
Banged my mom? I certainly would hope not. Unless of course you're into 65+ year old women. If so.....then maybe. Who knows.

She lives in Cotton Wood Heights. A suburb of Salt Lake City.
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Nice area. I'm about 4 hours south of there on the AZ border.
I think y'all made a good hire. Still an uphill climb.
 
kev69 said:
You finally have a really good coach in Miller.
Don't get cocky though, because once a program has been off the map a while, it's really hard to get it back.
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How is my post cocky? It's a well known and documented fact that Crean had alienated himself with Indiana HS coaches. Kids were being encouraged NOT to go there. As long as Crean was the head coach at Indiana, IU simply wasn't going to be in the mix for elite, HS talent(from Indiana).
Miller is his short time has began to change that. Not to mention his hiring of Ed Schilling. A former HS coach in Indiana that won two state titles at Park Tudor. Coached former IU guard Yogi Ferrell, and a guy who is highly respected in the state; He was responsible for current Indiana Mr. Basketball Kris Wilkes committment to UCLA. That hiring alone will go a long, long ways in IU once again being in the mix for high profile talent within the state.

There's nothing cocky about my post. I made the comments b/c of the impact Miller's hiring will have with Indiana HS kids. Not to mention the hiring of Schilling. I could be wrong. But in this instance, I don't thinkk that will be the case.

Now does that mean Indiana gets Langford? Of course not. IMO it's a long shot. But a much less of a long shot with Crean now no longer being the HC.
 
wromanp7 said:
Nice area. I'm about 4 hours south of there on the AZ border.
I think y'all made a good hire. Still an uphill climb.
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Yeah, a good hire IMO as well. And I agree on the uphill climb thought as well. Thing is, I think we could go 19-15 again next year, yet still see a better product, i.e. defense especially. We could be pretty decent next year. A good core returning. If those guys buy into Miller's system, then they could be really good. It's going to take time. But I feel by year three, Miller will have IU competing at a very high level.
 
IUfanBorden said:
Not sure how serious of a post this is. Seems more of a "I hate Indiana" post, opposed to something written with any thought whatsoever. But hey, I'll bite.

1. JBJ: He wasn't coming back to IU no matter who the coach was. And especially so with a coach as demanding as Miller is on the defensive side of the ball. Blackmon wanted no part of actually having to play defense, and being held accountable when he didn't. Staying at Indiana wasn't going to change JBJ's pro options. He's an elite shooter. That is it. So why not go play in the NBDL and make some money? Or go over seas?

2. Wall, Cousins and Bledsoe followed Cal to UK. They were all ready to go to Memphis. He didn't recruit them to UK. He recruited them to Memphis. When Cal took the UK job---they followed.

3. Indiana had three incoming recruits decommitt. Archie convinced them to stay. So actually, he has dome something. And I'd rather have Smith(4*) and Clifton Moore, than JBJ. Those two will fit Miller's system much, much better.

4. Gelon: Never should have been on scholly at Indiana to begin with. With Jones, Johnson, Newkirk and Green returning, he (Gelon) understood PT was going to be at a minimum. But nice try, bub.

Indiana's roster pretty much handicapped what Miller could do recruiting wise. But don't worry kiddo. He'll do just fine. And thing is, I think you know this. Hence this ridiculous and asinine post.
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Regarding # 2 - I don't think Wall was a Memphis commit, or even interested in them all that much, even when Cal was there. Cousins and Bledsoe, I think you're right. Even so, a team that hires a new coach hopes he or she makes a big splash. Mark Stoops, even following a 2-10 record, had some huge recruiting successes in the two months he was on the job before signing day. Obviously, Miller's hiring made zero waves in the world of recruiting.
 
IUfanBorden said:
How is my post cocky? It's a well known and documented fact that Crean had alienated himself with Indiana HS coaches. Kids were being encouraged NOT to go there. As long as Crean was the head coach at Indiana, IU simply wasn't going to be in the mix for elite, HS talent(from Indiana).
Miller is his short time has began to change that. Not to mention his hiring of Ed Schilling. A former HS coach in Indiana that won two state titles at Park Tudor. Coached former IU guard Yogi Ferrell, and a guy who is highly respected in the state; He was responsible for current Indiana Mr. Basketball Kris Wilkes committment to UCLA. That hiring alone will go a long, long ways in IU once again being in the mix for high profile talent within the state.

There's nothing cocky about my post. I made the comments b/c of the impact Miller's hiring will have with Indiana HS kids. Not to mention the hiring of Schilling. I could be wrong. But in this instance, I don't thinkk that will be the case.

Now does that mean Indiana gets Langford? Of course not. IMO it's a long shot. But a much less of a long shot with Crean now no longer being the HC.
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You guys said Crean was better than Cal all the time. HAHAHAAHAHA. YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY.
 
IUfanBorden said:
How is my post cocky? It's a well known and documented fact that Crean had alienated himself with Indiana HS coaches. Kids were being encouraged NOT to go there. As long as Crean was the head coach at Indiana, IU simply wasn't going to be in the mix for elite, HS talent(from Indiana).
Miller is his short time has began to change that. Not to mention his hiring of Ed Schilling. A former HS coach in Indiana that won two state titles at Park Tudor. Coached former IU guard Yogi Ferrell, and a guy who is highly respected in the state; He was responsible for current Indiana Mr. Basketball Kris Wilkes committment to UCLA. That hiring alone will go a long, long ways in IU once again being in the mix for high profile talent within the state.

There's nothing cocky about my post. I made the comments b/c of the impact Miller's hiring will have with Indiana HS kids. Not to mention the hiring of Schilling. I could be wrong. But in this instance, I don't thinkk that will be the case.

Now does that mean Indiana gets Langford? Of course not. IMO it's a long shot. But a much less of a long shot with Crean now no longer being the HC.
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I wasn't being that serious. Relax.
 
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IUfanBorden said:
I think we will better than what people think. Still have a good amount of talent returning in Johnson, Davis, Green, Morgan and Newkirk. Solid newcomers in Justin Smith(4*) and Clifton Moore(IMO a very underrated kid). Not to mention getting Colin Hartman back. I think IU's a tourney team next year. Look for exponential improvement on defense.
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Wishful thinking bud. Not trying to be a jerk, but it'll be 4-7 years before y'all are "rolling ", and even then I see some sweet 16's, maybe an elite 8.

IU is , unfortunately?, sliding from blue blood: powerhouse to... "meh"
 
the state of indiana produces lots of good players and pre crean some went of state and expect that they still will. Gary and up north isnt iu land, not sure where exactly is but if there are studs to be had UK,dook,unc can come and get some.
 
IUfanBorden said:
Not sure how serious of a post this is. Seems more of a "I hate Indiana" post, opposed to something written with any thought whatsoever. But hey, I'll bite.

1. JBJ: He wasn't coming back to IU no matter who the coach was. And especially so with a coach as demanding as Miller is on the defensive side of the ball. Blackmon wanted no part of actually having to play defense, and being held accountable when he didn't. Staying at Indiana wasn't going to change JBJ's pro options. He's an elite shooter. That is it. So why not go play in the NBDL and make some money? Or go over seas?

2. Wall, Cousins and Bledsoe followed Cal to UK. They were all ready to go to Memphis. He didn't recruit them to UK. He recruited them to Memphis. When Cal took the UK job---they followed.

3. Indiana had three incoming recruits decommitt. Archie convinced them to stay. So actually, he has dome something. And I'd rather have Smith(4*) and Clifton Moore, than JBJ. Those two will fit Miller's system much, much better.

4. Gelon: Never should have been on scholly at Indiana to begin with. With Jones, Johnson, Newkirk and Green returning, he (Gelon) understood PT was going to be at a minimum. But nice try, bub.

Indiana's roster pretty much handicapped what Miller could do recruiting wise. But don't worry kiddo. He'll do just fine. And thing is, I think you know this. Hence this ridiculous and asinine post.
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This is cute.
 
FrankUnderwood said:
Try and stay on topic bud :) I was just asking about Knox?

He's gonna be good for us eh? So stoked we landed him!
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Me too, thing about me is I'm man enough not to run off and create a new name like a little girl dog. Life's a beach and so are you.
 
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*Bleedingblue* said:
3 NBA guys and miss the tourney. Just how awful of a coach was Crean?





Sarcasm from the times that we hear about Cal missing the NCAA tourney back in 2013
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He was really bad.. But did have a winning record against pUKe. So what does that say about Cal...
Hes a snake oil salesman that is a proven underachiever
 
iuhoosierstildeath said:
He was really bad.. But did have a winning record against pUKe. So what does that say about Cal...
Hes a snake oil salesman that is a proven underachiever
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His record against Cal at UK was 2-3 (he had 2 more wins against other coaches while at a different school). I'll take the proven underachiever that has 4 Final Fours and a Title in 7 years.
 
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Your and idiot
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There's just so much to enjoy about this reply.

First, my comment was just discussing the lack of talent Archie is going to have in his first season. I don't know how that is in any way arguable. Second, this is a classic misspelling that just makes me smile.

Based on this guys posting pattern here I have to think he is either a 7 year old that just learning how to post on message boards, or a parody account trying to make Indiana fans look stupid.
 
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How is my post cocky? It's a well known and documented fact that Crean had alienated himself with Indiana HS coaches. Kids were being encouraged NOT to go there. As long as Crean was the head coach at Indiana, IU simply wasn't going to be in the mix for elite, HS talent(from Indiana).
Miller is his short time has began to change that. Not to mention his hiring of Ed Schilling. A former HS coach in Indiana that won two state titles at Park Tudor. Coached former IU guard Yogi Ferrell, and a guy who is highly respected in the state; He was responsible for current Indiana Mr. Basketball Kris Wilkes committment to UCLA. That hiring alone will go a long, long ways in IU once again being in the mix for high profile talent within the state.

There's nothing cocky about my post. I made the comments b/c of the impact Miller's hiring will have with Indiana HS kids. Not to mention the hiring of Schilling. I could be wrong. But in this instance, I don't thinkk that will be the case.

Now does that mean Indiana gets Langford? Of course not. IMO it's a long shot. But a much less of a long shot with Crean now no longer being the HC.
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We don't agree on college teams, but I agree with your post. Very good hire for the circumstances and if he is able to lock up even 50% of the state talent that had previously gotten away, he will make Indiana relevant again. Maybe not on U.K. Duke unc and Kansas level but top 15 annually (similar to uofl)
 
Sleepy Sleeperson said:
Regarding # 2 - I don't think Wall was a Memphis commit, or even interested in them all that much, even when Cal was there. Cousins and Bledsoe, I think you're right. Even so, a team that hires a new coach hopes he or she makes a big splash. Mark Stoops, even following a 2-10 record, had some huge recruiting successes in the two months he was on the job before signing day. Obviously, Miller's hiring made zero waves in the world of recruiting.
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Wall and Cousins have said they would have signed with Calipari at Memphis.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...178271&usg=AFQjCNGULNt2enAdJUA8Hg8bbfo9foYw5Q

Yes, Wall was interested. He was going to go there.
 
FrankUnderwood said:
Wishful thinking bud. Not trying to be a jerk, but it'll be 4-7 years before y'all are "rolling ", and even then I see some sweet 16's, maybe an elite 8.

IU is , unfortunately?, sliding from blue blood: powerhouse to... "meh"
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Bad hires. That's been the downfall. It's THE difference of where Indiana is now, and where UK, UNC, KU are. Indiana offers just as much, if not more, then all of said schools. With the right hire, there is no reason Indiana cannot/will not return to prominence. Time will tell.
 
FrankUnderwood said:
Wishful thinking bud. Not trying to be a jerk, but it'll be 4-7 years before y'all are "rolling ", and even then I see some sweet 16's, maybe an elite 8.

IU is , unfortunately?, sliding from blue blood: powerhouse to... "meh"
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Why? Curious. I mean you could be right. But what makes you think Miller cannot win with the talent IU has now? No it's not UK talent, but it's decent. I don't see it as wishful thinking at all. I see it as good talent that's finally going to have good coaching. And IMO, that usually equals wins.
 
IUfanBorden said:
Why? Curious. I mean you could be right. But what makes you think Miller cannot win with the talent IU has now? No it's not UK talent, but it's decent. I don't see it as wishful thinking at all. I see it as good talent that's finally going to have good coaching. And IMO, that usually equals wins.
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Fair enough. I do think Miller is a good coach, I'm just not sure he can take them back to "blue blood" or "elite" status again. Not saying they won't EVER be good .

I guess we have to wait and see.
 
Hiring Archie pretty much defines where IU is:
* Desperate to buy a Savior....
* But forced to shop at Walmart (Crean/Davis/Sampson/Miller).
 
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Why? Curious. I mean you could be right. But what makes you think Miller cannot win with the talent IU has now? No it's not UK talent, but it's decent. I don't see it as wishful thinking at all. I see it as good talent that's finally going to have good coaching. And IMO, that usually equals wins.
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You and your IU buddies are falling into a trap. You guys think you hired a stud for a coach that is going to bring IU out of the basement. On the surface it seems like a good hire, but what has he actually accomplished?
To me, it's more likely you hired a mediocre coach that appears to try very hard. Good luck, but I don't think this is going to go the way you're thinking it will.
 
kyjeff1 said:
You and your IU buddies are falling into a trap. You guys think you hired a stud for a coach that is going to bring IU out of the basement. On the surface it seems like a good hire, but what has he actually accomplished?
To me, it's more likely you hired a mediocre coach that appears to try very hard. Good luck, but I don't think this is going to go the way you're thinking it will.
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I don't know if or how its a trap. He's been one of the most talked names of taking over every p5 program that has a coaching opening. He's turned down several. Your own coach even said if he was hiring a coach he'd go after Archie. Now time will tell if he can succeed at a high major but at 38 he has room to grow.
 
Da_Bull said:
I don't know if or how its a trap. He's been one of the most talked names of taking over every p5 program that has a coaching opening. He's turned down several. Your own coach even said if he was hiring a coach he'd go after Archie. Now time will tell if he can succeed at a high major but at 38 he has room to grow.
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Billy Gillispie was the talk of the town in 2007.
Talk means nothing. What are his results? What has he accomplished?
Yes, Cal spoke highly of him, why wouldn't he? Is he supposed to trash him.
Good luck, but we've been through this before. Actually, so has IU, y'all though all these same things about Crean and he had more accomplishments than Miller does prior to taking the IU job. How'd that turn out?
Perspective gentlemen. You hired a 3rd tier coach. Aren't you supposed to be close to a blue blood program?
 
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