Uh no. Ulis is, and would start, on every team in the country. Good lord.
Jamal Murray update (no reclassify, yet)
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Uh no. Ulis is, and would start, on every team in the country. Good lord.
I'm just amazed reading the posts on here on how we have x amount of guards for 2 positions, how he is going to be playing behind the others etc etc.
You guys on crack? He is better than anybody we have in our backcourt. Their are 5 positions on the court and certainly 3 guards can play at once :-/. You guys born yesterday? Not ever watched basketball before or ever played???
Did you not see Duke win the title by going small? I think it's more than possible to have 4 guards on the floor at the same time if we really wanted to push the pace against a team we could do the too. Most teams run 3 guards anyway, it was an odd year for us to have Poy or Lyles running the 3.
If you have never noticed with our style it's best having 3 guys who are like point guards and can shoot the ball. Did you not watch Ulis and the twins all playing together on the floor at the same time this past year?? Geez Murray could average over 20 a game for us but you have dummies question if he could see the floor :-/
Geez Fred do y'all thank that their john wall kid would even play? Ya that's how rediculous y'all sound. No matter who we sign Murray will be playing and playing a lot.
You guys on crack? He is better than anybody we have in our backcourt. Their are 5 positions on the court and certainly 3 guards can play at once :-/. You guys born yesterday? Not ever watched basketball before or ever played???
Did you not see Duke win the title by going small? I think it's more than possible to have 4 guards on the floor at the same time if we really wanted to push the pace against a team we could do the too. Most teams run 3 guards anyway, it was an odd year for us to have Poy or Lyles running the 3.
If you have never noticed with our style it's best having 3 guys who are like point guards and can shoot the ball. Did you not watch Ulis and the twins all playing together on the floor at the same time this past year?? Geez Murray could average over 20 a game for us but you have dummies question if he could see the floor :-/
Geez Fred do y'all thank that their john wall kid would even play? Ya that's how rediculous y'all sound. No matter who we sign Murray will be playing and playing a lot.
LMAO Ulis and Murray would start together , as would Briscoe but make no mistake if only 1 could start it would be ULIS.
Murray is NOT better than Ulis or Briscoe, my Lord. You saw him in an all-star game not a "real" game. Watch him in a real game. He's good for sure, but if he's not starting at the 3 he will not take Ulis or Briscoe's spot.
He easily would be, Skal would be second but guards have more scoring opportunity in college.
We did have a shot at them. Your post makes no sense. We finished in the top 2-3 for all those guys...so saying UK had no shot is just stupid. Read what you wrote.
With Murray, our rotation looks like this, IMHO:
Starters
G Ulis- 30-35mpg
G Brisoce- 30-35mpg
G Murray- 30-35mpg
F Poythress- 25-30mpg
F Labissiere- 25-30mpg
Key Reserves
F Lee- 25-30mpg
G Matthews (or Mulder)- 10-15mpg
In DDMO, all three of Ulis, Briscoe, and Murray will run the "point" at times.
Murray is the missing piece. With him we have a legitimate shot at another Final Four and a title.
Not saying we won't be good without him, just that with him we are very good.
Starters
G Ulis- 30-35mpg
G Brisoce- 30-35mpg
G Murray- 30-35mpg
F Poythress- 25-30mpg
F Labissiere- 25-30mpg
Key Reserves
F Lee- 25-30mpg
G Matthews (or Mulder)- 10-15mpg
In DDMO, all three of Ulis, Briscoe, and Murray will run the "point" at times.
Murray is the missing piece. With him we have a legitimate shot at another Final Four and a title.
Not saying we won't be good without him, just that with him we are very good.
We have nobody that can score like Murray. In a separate league from everybody we have. He would give us a very legit chance to win it all. He is that good. The kind of parts that would be around him on this team makes him even better and makes them even better. It would seem he would fit in perfect with the type of players we have.
I don't see where anyone one the board said he wouldn't be playing. He's a good guard, not a great guard. IF and I say IF Cal wanted to only play TWO guards, Murray isn't one of them. Ulis and Briscoe start over Murray because well, they're better than Murray is. Some of you guys think that Murray is the next coming of Kobe Bryant because he scored 30 in a couple all star games. Nobody is saying Murray is a bum or can't play. He can play and play well. All most on here are saying is IF its a two guard starting system Murray comes off the bench and he would. Briscoe is better than Murray. A sophomore Tyler Ulis with FF experience is also better than Murray. I'm not even for sure he'd start over Matthews or Mulder at the 3, he might but then again he might not.
I watch as much ball as anyone. You say have u watched "our" style of play we play best when we have 3 guards. Well my friend we went undefeated to a Final Four with 3 big men instead. Apparently you're the one not watching much ball. You obviously missed the whole season.
I disagree with everything you typed but that's ok. It's pretty easy to score when you're not guarded. Nobody is better with the ball than Tyler or a better on ball defender. Briscoe is so much more creative than Murray and has great basketball IQ, not to mention a rough defender and he has some dog in him. All this talk is moot anyway. Murray won't come here and I don't really care if he does or not. I want kids that want to be at UK or that want to play for Cal.
I know you did not watch much of the games because we played the twins and Ulis together a lot. They may not have started the game but they were damn good together.
I guess you missed them also having Booker on the floor as well with Aaron and Ulis. That's 3 in case you can't add.
Also I know your full of it by your stating that Murray might be the last coming off the bench because the other are just better. Well they might be and if they are then we have a team full of lottery pics.
Also before I let you go I was on here months ago pumping up Murray after I watched him play several times in person with my own eyes not on tv or in an all star game.
When we were talking about potential guards I stated that I wanted Murray and told everyone how much of a beast he was, a scoring machine like Jodie Meeks was for us. That was before any all star game.
I'm way ahead of you are, I know how to evaluate talent. I've played the game played with and against colleges and even many nba guys. When I see talent I know what I'm looking at. Apparently you don't.
Murray starts over briscoe any day. Only reason ulis would start over him is because he's a sophmore. Murray is more talented
Murray is not just a great scorer. Think he had double digit assists and rebounds in the Nike game. Briscoe was just about the most competitive player I saw. His game is being tough, competitive, looking to drive and dish, great passer and a good scorer. Ulis more of a set up man, driver, passer, defender that can score. all three are special in their own ways.
A lot has been heaped on Murray because of the Hoop Summit. Probably best to hit the brakes a bit.
But I think too much is made about the wing position and what constitutes the 3.
Unless you have somebody like Justise Winslow you can play three guards in this sport and lose nothing because so many 3s in college are unskilled. You can exploit them with a guy who can shoot the ball from that position, as we saw with Booker and Aaron last year.
But I think too much is made about the wing position and what constitutes the 3.
Unless you have somebody like Justise Winslow you can play three guards in this sport and lose nothing because so many 3s in college are unskilled. You can exploit them with a guy who can shoot the ball from that position, as we saw with Booker and Aaron last year.
We play a lot of teams that basically start three guards and think that has hurt us some in quickness and getting to the ball off the rim. Feel very confident with Ulis and Briscoe at the 1 and 2 and not just because of their skill but their demeanor also. A couple of street ball fighters that will be hard to deal with IMO. So if our 3 guy can also give us that toughness and competitive nature like them we could be pretty tough if Skal knows how to stay out of foul trouble.
Agreed. He'd at least taken a visit by now imo. Looks like he's not going to reclass Imo. Who knows after that.
I have a question: Everywhere I look Jamal Murray is listed as a PG. So why in the world would anyone expect him to reclassify to the 2015 class and then come to U.K., with Ulis and Briscoe already here?
It seems to me that our hope should be that Murray doesn't reclassify to 2015.
What am I missing?
It seems to me that our hope should be that Murray doesn't reclassify to 2015.
What am I missing?
That was my question early on in this thread,so if he (Murray)was here we would be starting 3 point guards with one of them playing the 3 spot?
I don't think I ever heard him being a SG either and no way is he a natural 2 spot. I wouldn't even call him a combo IMO. Yes, he can score but I don't think that necessarily makes you a combo. He has always been proud to be a PG and makes it known. I like that about him. All the guys in the class says he is the biggest trash talker without a doubt. LOL! I like that too!!
Why would you say that? Everything in that article screams that he is leaning towards or at least seriously considering reclassifying. First, he is taking some visits very soon. Now, we don't know where but I'd bet the farm that we get a visit. The fact that he is taking visits in a froup like that tells me its for a reason. Second, he is not playing AAU ball this summer. Players who are going to college to play in the fall do not play AAU ball during that summer leading to their 1st semester. His dad said he was going to train during this summer. Ask yourself this, if you were a player who really kinda just exploded onto the scene, were moving up the ranks with a couple breakout performances, and now had interest from some of the bigs boys, would you take the summer off from the one circuit that could spring you up the ladder? Not to mention just quitting on your teammates on that circuit. I doubt it myself. Lastly, they're talking about rosters and playing time. I don't think they would be looking at rosters and seeing what each team has if the plan was to stay in 2016. Obviously, the rosters would look a lot different by 2016.
Thats my take on it anyway. So, IDK but I'm just trying to look between the lines and I think he is leaning towards reclassifying. Now, we all know things can change in a heartbeat but I liked what I read for the chances of him being in 2015. I really like this kid and someone earlier mentioned he would be the leading scorer, I think that would be a possibility. I think he could play the 1, 2, or 3 if needed and have a 3 guard lineup. I think that depends on how good Mulder will be when the season starts. With Mulder and Murray on board, it allows Cal to use Alex at the 4 spot more, which is what he wants to do. Sounds good to me!!! Sign him up! He showed a very versatile game in the NHS and looks like he can do a bit of everything on the offensive end.
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Murray would start over Briscoe every day of the week. There's a decent sized talent gap between the two.
People keep say Ulis, Briscoe and Murray would start at the 1/2/3 but I'm pretty sure Cal would start Ulis, Murray, Mulder at the 1/2/3. Then you have Briscoe to give breathers to Ulis and Murray plus that line is better and more balanced. Also there's no way Murray comes here to play SF. He plays PG in high school. The thought of moving to the 2 guard will be hard enough but there's zero reason for him to go anywhere that makes him play the 3. He will never play the 3 in the NBA so why would he want to play it in college?
Ulis, Briscoe and Murray would be our best guards and they would all start. Guards are guards, it doesn't matter what position they are. We would run and run all day, it would be great. It only matters on defense, Murray would have to guard some 3s.
That's true that they played some together, its also true that Cal started who he felt was his best 5. That best 5 did not include a 3 guard line-up. Games are about match ups and also who is going to give it their all during that particular game. Who were Cal's 5 coming down the stretch vs ND and Wiscy? He went with his best 5 and that were also his starters not a 3 guard lineup.
It's so blatantly obvious you're just a mouth with comprehension problems. Nobody said Murray would be the last coming off the bench. What was stated for the simple minded is that IFFFFFFF Cal only started 2 guards like last year, those two would be Ulis and Briscoe and it would be.
You couldn't evaluate talent at a local elementary 4-H competition. Your evaluation of talent means about as much as mine, NOTHING. Wow you played some ball in the past, I'm sure there's not a guy on here that hasn't played ball somewhere. I know talent as much or more than you and Murray has it no doubt, but Murray is not elite. Murray was NOT even looked at by UK until the all star games, so apparently you know talent better than Cal. Hahahahaha
Yeah I agree there is a little gap between Briscoe and Murray, Briscoe is slightly better than Murray. Briscoe starts over Murray every day of the week.
Not sure what you're basing this on. I'm assuming Murray's one performance at the Hoop Summit.
IMO of course, but you're wrong on this one.
Nor does it matter. If Murray is as good as he was in that game Cal will get him on the floor. It's not either he or Briscoe; our roster is so thin it's going to have to be both.
If Murray comes here, he's the talk of the next draft class. He'll be at worse in the Top 3 PG in the country and I agree with many here; the guards make the difference at a run to the championship.
Would Cal consider starting Ulis, Briscoe and Murray?
Would Cal consider starting Ulis, Briscoe and Murray?
You probably stated it best without even knowing it. Cal will use the best line-up, and as it stands if Murray comes here, it would be starting Ulis, Briscoe and Murray IMO. This isn't last year, we don't have an abundance of options. And you are wrong about the whole not going after Murray. The main reason nobody was going after him was because he was in the 2016 class. All the hoopla started after the NHS, AND because he had the ability to reclassify. Recruiting isn't as black and white as some make it out to be. The truth is, had we landed a couple of other recruits, we wouldn't be talking about Murray as much, not because he wouldn't be better, but because he wouldn't be needed.
Agree totally. No way 3 of the 4 of the most competitive/talented players on the team would not start, and be on the floor most of the time. Hard to believe anyone that has seen Briscoe play would say he could be on the bench not starting. The guys mentality is like a Magliore or a Snedegar with great talent to back it up.
Its kinda naive to say that most of us like Murray because we simply saw an All-Star game. Don't you know our fan base at all? LOL. If we watch tape of games like a coach would, don't you think we would do our homework on a recruit? I've done some studying on Murray and I think you are selling him short because maybe you are simply looking at that 1 All Star game. IMO, you are doing the exact same thing that you are accusing others of doing in your post. There is no doubt the kid is a great player. He is projected as the 21st pick in next years draft and some pretty important people think he's pretty good. This is not an attack on you by any means, I simply think you're selling Murray short just a bit. The kid can play!
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Cal is recruiting Murray to start for us. He'll start with Ulis, Briscoe, Poythress, and Labissiere.
If he signs with us that is our starting five next year barring an injury/eligibility issue.
If he signs with us that is our starting five next year barring an injury/eligibility issue.
If the guy is the real deal when it comes to shooting it won't matter how guards we have he will play a lot.
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