Yeah, they can't say that to recruits because it's an NCAA violation and state law.
Again, if you want to cheat just say you want to cheat to keep up with the cheaters.
It Takes a Village to Make NIL Work To Get UK Football Recruits To Commit.
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Again, if you want to cheat just say you want to cheat to keep up with the cheaters.
I absolutely am not nor should any collegiate fan support support an NIL program/ foundation that supports illegal payment to players. It will catch up to you in the long run!!
"However, I know on a personal basis from talking NIL with UK football coaches just how frustrated Mark Stoops is with the lack of support UK football is getting regarding NIL. This has to do with his frustration with the administration not getting behind NIL like other SEC schools and with the UK fan base as well." - you
How is the administration not getting behind NIL then as you claim? The only thing they are against is illegal activities as they should be. You and the rest of the posters claiming UK is holding back NIL can pool your money together right now and pay any player on our roster $1 million or whatever you wanted to tweet "Hi BBN" right now. Please explain how the administration is holding back NIL.
There's a reason none of them can say how the UK administration is holding back NIL because the truth is they want to blatantly cheat. They always make these accusations about the administration and NIL but back it up with nothing.
if this is the best you got then why reply. I never said ad supporting collectives. I said there are collectives out there with lots of cash Then I said there are ad's that supports nil. Ee have nether.
How does he not support NIL? Again, no specifics, just vague accusations backed up with nothing. We have athletes all over campus with NIL deals.
If you're so into collectives donate to one, what's stopping you? It's certainly not the UK administration or AD that you falsely claim doesn't support NIL.
Fixing what specifically? What exactly do we need to fix so I can say it in my email?
They never give specifics because they really just want to blatantly cheat. I'm not sure why they won't just say it.
I was asking to acquire info on one to give too. I have no idea where to begin looking. Why not help me out? I am sure a lot of others are like me.
Imagine being a Kentucky fan and promoting the false narrative that the UK administration doesn't support NIL, then turn around and claim the AD is hurting the program. Yall promoted a false narrative that is used against us in recruiting and hurts the program because you're butthurt over Mitch Barnhart. I guess. Whatever the reason, do better.
Amateurism is a thing of the past. I would start with Ky High School Athletic Ass. And model Kentucky after one of the states with no restrictions. The Olympics, of all things has more professionals than amateurs. Eventually some smart kid in high school will be offered so much that his family can’t turn it down . He will be a junior and will be threatened if he takes it he becomes Ed a pro. He will sue and win.
Nope, you can though if you're legitimately interested. You can register as an individual and pay to have players to wish family members happy birthday on social media or whatever. It's a UK website (who is supposedly against NIL) so it doesn't get more trustworthy than that.
They have to pretend BBNIL doesnt exist so they can lie and spread false narratives that hurt our program.
I noticed you didn't reply to my post telling you EXACTLY why the "administration" doesn't want NIL because it will COMPETE with UK for MONEY. That is about as SPECIFIC as it gets.
It's complete BS tho. Where do you get the administration doesn't want NIL money? You made it up, thats where you got it. The administration doesn't want to cheat like you Claude Bassett wannabes. The administration fully supports legal NIL. The administration has had BBNNIL in place for over a year and now even has an exchange to make it easier for businesses, collectives, alumni, and other individuals to do NIL deals with student athletes. I'll type that again. The administration has an exchange to make it easier for businesses, collectives, alumni, and other individuals to do NIL with student athletes.
The administration that "doesn't want NIL" just came to an NIL agreement with Nike and Fanatics to sell officially licensed UK jerseys with with players names that they profit from. As a UK fan you should be promoting this awesome deal. Instead you're spewing lies and misinformation claiming our administration is against NIL and hurting out program in the process. Yall put your Barnhart butthurt over the program. It's pathetic really.
You still didn't answer about JMI and the UK sponsors that Mitch is ACTIVELY discouraging to NOT change their sponsorships from going directly to UK INSTEAD OF into the NIL collective.
Why?
I guess you are going to say that is a lie too. It's NOT!!!
Jesus Chris dude, at least make your lies make sense. UK has a contract with JMI, a like 15 year deal worth $200+ million. They are contractually obligated to pay UK that amount. There is no instead of UK, that money is guaranteed to UK. They can give NIL to every athlete on campus and UK will still get the same money that they're contractually obligated to get.
Maybe put your head together with the other Barnhart butthurt boys and come up with a lie that makes sense. Also before you switch your lie up to another company, UK has a contract with everyone they have sponsorship or licensing agreement with.
LOL at spewing a blatant lie then saying I guess you're gonna say that is a lie too. You're damn right it's a lie.
"The NIL collective" LOL at how utterly clueless the Barnhart butthurt boys are. What collective are you referring to sir?
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The one that is being lobbied for by those wanting the legislature to pass something that allows it in KY. The one that Mitch doesn't want to interfere with the sponsors that give EXCUSIVELY to UK.
You know EXACTLY what I'm talking about!! So does our coaches. You are deflecting.
You are making the NIL out to be something illegal so that you can preserve ALL of the power for YOUR boy Mitch.
You were WRONG on why C Rod had to sit out and you are wrong on this.
More lies. NIL is absolutely not illegal and I never suggested it was. I said collectives offering recruits money or promising recruits money is illegal it violates NCAA rules and state law. Also you have no idea why CRod was suspended, just another thing you lied about.
Tell me more about Mitch discouraging JMI from dropping UK to give money to "the collective". That's my favorite lie because it's so ridiculous. Oh and the UK administration not wanting players to do NIL deals when they're announcing one tomorrow. I wonder what your lie about that will be.
You still can't refute my contention that Mitch doesn't want the businesses that UK has EXCUSIVELY to drop their sponsorships to UK and start giving DIRECTLY to NIL and the players for advertising. You know I'm right, that's why you keep deflecting to the Nike apparel deal that's coming out tomorrow. That is something that won't conflict with ANY money that was previously going EXCUSIVELY to UK.
Of course Mitch is open to allowing for NEW revenue streams for players, they just can't touch any of the established ones. You KNOW I'm right, that's why you keep deflecting.
You tell me SPECIFICALLY WHY Mitch isn't offering to give up those sponsors? Our coaches want this, you also know that.
I'm sorry, I just have to laugh at you at this point. You're either trolling or need serious help. Good luck and goodnight either way.
Then why is Stoops frustrated and upset with UK administration (MB specifically) regarding NIL? Are you saying Stoops doesn't understand the rules in KY regarding NIL collectives?
My problem with MB is that he hasn't been out front leading the charge to change laws and make NIL easier and more accessible in Kentucky. Say what you will but he has plainly been reticent to lead. It's almost as though he wants to hold on to some antiquated idea of collegiate amateurism that no longer exists.
For all intents and purposes the SCOTUS decision did away with any restrictions on a athlete's Right to earn money. The NCAA might think it can curtail that ability by penalizing member schools but, they'll have a hard time defending such penalties in court if the programs ever get smart and ban together for a class-action suit.
The idea that all these schools that are essentially promoting collectives to potential recruits are going to be swept up in some massive NCAA NIL scandal and crackdown is preposterous. The power of the NCAA is greatly diminished and becoming lesser every day. Look at the widespread cheating that coaches, players and boosters have either admitted to or has been shown to have happened in just the last few years. LSU, Arizona, Kansas, UofL, etc.
Do you think the NCAA is going to give the "death penalty" to any of those programs? At most they might receive a one year post-season ban or scholarship reduction. Big deal!
The smart programs will simply lawyer up, deny any knowledge or wrong doing a la UNC and come out grinning on the other side.
All NIL has done is to bring the seedy side of college athletics out into the open. We all knew players were being paid for years and years. Hell, UCLA bought a dynasty in basketball with the help of one influential and extremely well connected booster. UT football has been as dirty as any program the last few decades and are even under the gun right now. Yet....they could potentially challenge Georgia for the SEC East division title this year. How is that paying for their cheating?
College athletics has been turned on it's ear by the SCOTUS decision. Only the bold will come out of this in a position to succeed.
Why did you make that up. Where did Stoops say he was frustrated with UK and Mitch. Specifically what is he frustrated about? We have BBNIL which you guys like to pretend doesn't exist. We have the exchange within BBNIL which helps connect businesses, collectives, alumni, and fans with student athletes for NIL deals. Same stuff over and over because you guys are only interested in pushing your false narrative.
Most fans would promote BBNIL but not you guys. You guys act like it isn't a thing, and act like our administration doesn't support NIL. Yall literally promote this false narrative that hurts the program. I guess the Barnhart hate is that important to you.
If by "bold" you mean "those who will break the rules/cheat" they may very well come out on top for a little while. Don't fool yourself into thinking UK wouldn't be taken to the slaughterhouse if they cheated thru "NIL."
THE bold that run into the fray without u derstanding what they're up against can get mowed down more easily than they can win the day. Those who approach with a little more caution at first may do better long term. Depends on how many enemies each has.
Here's my take, and I know it won't be popular.
NIL was never about fans paying EXTRA above what they already pay for tickets and the rights to buy them. It was about the players getting a CUT of the MILLIONS that were ALREADY BEING PAID TO THE SCHOOLS. They saw the dollar signs and wanted a piece of the action.
I don't blame them.
The whole idea that the schools can't pay them directly is what is completely outdated, but who sets that rule? I think it's the NCAA, the ASSOCIATION made up of MEMBER INSTITUTIONS, that made that rule. Why?
BECAUSE they spend MILLIONS of dollars on coaches, staff, facilities, equipment, services, utilities, and travel, it is necessary that they meet their budgets or they can't afford to play the sports they play. If they start paying players, where does the budget go?
They needed to protect the bottom line that makes the season and post-season possible.
The idea that John Smith and Jane Doe should pony up even more money (a lot more) than they already spend on GameDays, travel, gear, and apparel to pay salaries to players is a pipe dream in a shrinking economy. Businesses are closing all around you. Look around. Even with all of the restaurants that have closed, fewer people are eating at the ones that are still open. University and personal budgets need to conform to that reality.
There are tons of people that would buy the jerseys of their favorite players. Autographed photos, footballs, and replica bowl footballs. Beyond that, individuals are already supporting the best ways they can.
If they have the money, they should absolutely buy something that supports the player, or pay the player to come out to their business or home for an event or a promotional purpose. There needs to be a conduit for that if one is not set up already. Getting in the way of that would be wrong.
If anyone is being honest, though, there's no difference between that and handing an athlete money instead. The only difference to me seems to be tracking it for tax purposes. The illusion of amateur athletics (if it isn't plain already) and the idea that athletes aren't compensated for playing should be shattered pretty thoroughly by now....
Something has to give because there is only so much value to the money printed and only so much to go around
NIL was never about fans paying EXTRA above what they already pay for tickets and the rights to buy them. It was about the players getting a CUT of the MILLIONS that were ALREADY BEING PAID TO THE SCHOOLS. They saw the dollar signs and wanted a piece of the action.
I don't blame them.
The whole idea that the schools can't pay them directly is what is completely outdated, but who sets that rule? I think it's the NCAA, the ASSOCIATION made up of MEMBER INSTITUTIONS, that made that rule. Why?
BECAUSE they spend MILLIONS of dollars on coaches, staff, facilities, equipment, services, utilities, and travel, it is necessary that they meet their budgets or they can't afford to play the sports they play. If they start paying players, where does the budget go?
They needed to protect the bottom line that makes the season and post-season possible.
The idea that John Smith and Jane Doe should pony up even more money (a lot more) than they already spend on GameDays, travel, gear, and apparel to pay salaries to players is a pipe dream in a shrinking economy. Businesses are closing all around you. Look around. Even with all of the restaurants that have closed, fewer people are eating at the ones that are still open. University and personal budgets need to conform to that reality.
There are tons of people that would buy the jerseys of their favorite players. Autographed photos, footballs, and replica bowl footballs. Beyond that, individuals are already supporting the best ways they can.
If they have the money, they should absolutely buy something that supports the player, or pay the player to come out to their business or home for an event or a promotional purpose. There needs to be a conduit for that if one is not set up already. Getting in the way of that would be wrong.
If anyone is being honest, though, there's no difference between that and handing an athlete money instead. The only difference to me seems to be tracking it for tax purposes. The illusion of amateur athletics (if it isn't plain already) and the idea that athletes aren't compensated for playing should be shattered pretty thoroughly by now....
Something has to give because there is only so much value to the money printed and only so much to go around
What is BBNIL in a nutshell? Do you know much about it that you can share? I'm not familiar with anything but the name.
What is the BBNIL Exchange?
The BBNIL Exchange is a student-athlete NIL business registry, custom-designed for businesses, donors, alumni, and any other interested NIL dollars wishing to connect with student-athletes. Registered businesses can search, filter and initiate conversations with your student-athletes to discuss a NIL deal. Once the NIL deal between a registered business and your student-athlete is completed, the business will use the BBNIL Exchange to create a transaction that will produce a direct payment to the student-athlete and automate a disclosure to the INFLCR Verified Compliance Ledger. The institution does not have to get involved in the deal and all transactions within the local exchange are consolidated into one 1099 at the end of the year for easier tax reporting purposes for registered businesses and athletes.
Seems pretty straight forward and simple. Not a bad idea at all. Thanks for the link
BBNIL is set up by Mitch. It's his last attempt to control the players. The way it is organized does very little to protect UK players from bad contracts, just like the bad NFT deal the basketball team got involved in last season. Coach Stoops knows where and who he wants the majority of NIL to flow through. They represented Wan'Dale, they work with Will Levis and a dozen other current players. Matt Jones endorses them weekly on his show.
Mitch is defending the athletic departments money and JMIs money at every turn. There are conflicts of interest in the athletic department on this issue. Rachel Bakers husband is a top executive at JMI.
The Gorilla poster is obviously very close to Mitch or someone at JMI. The obsessive defense of every half measure they have slow walked out is obvious.
Neither Cal or Coach Stoops trust Mitchs leadership on this matter. Mitch hates the new world order and is fighting it at every turn. It is hurting football recruiting. That is all true. Believe what you want.
Mitch is defending the athletic departments money and JMIs money at every turn. There are conflicts of interest in the athletic department on this issue. Rachel Bakers husband is a top executive at JMI.
The Gorilla poster is obviously very close to Mitch or someone at JMI. The obsessive defense of every half measure they have slow walked out is obvious.
Neither Cal or Coach Stoops trust Mitchs leadership on this matter. Mitch hates the new world order and is fighting it at every turn. It is hurting football recruiting. That is all true. Believe what you want.
It's the website that promotes NIL for UK student athletes. It now has an exchange where UK connects businesses, collectives, alumni, and fans with student athletes for NIL opportunities.
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Look how fast they went from "doesn't support NIL" to "last attempt to control players." The Barnhart Butthurt Boys are frauds.
