ISU QB accused of betting on football

[UKnCincy]

Iowa State’s QB has been accused of betting on Iowa State football. A bad situation, but if there’s any silver lining, maybe it will serve as a warning to our guys and others.

Iowa State QB Hunter Dekkers accused of gambling on Cyclones football game, other sports

Hunter Dekkers allegedly placed 26 wagers on Iowa State games, and his parents reportedly tried to help him disguise his identity to make it seem like the bets were his mom's.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[Riddickulis]

I don't see a problem only if the bet is to cover the points and you're going for the over any hint that you're holding back then there's a problem. Just monitor how they bet. If a player is adding incentive to his self I don't see the harm. But if there betting against themselves then they should have to pay out everything paid out by Vegas on that game. Throwing games is very bad.

 

[JHB4UK]

Every player in college & pros in every sport is told no gambling, period. They all know this. There are signs up in every locker room. This isn't some "unfairness" thing of players being denied normal activity, or the Iowa & Iowa St kids didn't know they were breaking a rule

If it becomes widely known guys are being influenced by wagers on outcomes it puts the whole deal into doubt for fans. No fans, no operating money.

 

[StubbornPenny]

His parents were helping him hide it. So instead of being like “now son, think if this is really a good idea,” they say, “wow cool!!! We’ll hide it for you and we’ll make a bunch of money!!” What dumbasses lol

 

[UKnCincy]

I don't see a problem only if the bet is to cover the points and you're going for the over any hint that you're holding back then there's a problem. Just monitor how they bet. If a player is adding incentive to his self I don't see the harm. But if there betting against themselves then they should have to pay out everything paid out by Vegas on that game. Throwing games is very bad.

In your example, deciding whether or not that’s a problem comes down to how you feel about people profiting from inside information. Which means maybe it’s no issue, but there are circumstances where it might be considered a problem.

Here’s a hypothetical. Let’s say you’re a player for Missouri who happens to have a close friend playing for UK. You’re also scheduled to play UK in a couple of days and Missouri is a slight underdog. During that week’s practice, Will Levis tears his ACL and won’t be able to play, and his backup is Morgan Newton. Your buddy from UK texts you right after practice with the news and you immediately pull up your phone to place a bet on Missouri before the news is public and the line moves.

As a result, you are able to pocket a bigger win because you were able to capitalize on information before it became available to the general public. Now, you personally may not see any issue with someone profiting from insider information, which is fine and you’re entitled to your opinion. I’m just pointing out a situation where others might consider a player betting on their own team to still be problematic.

Me personally, I’m not a fan of gambling period, but it’s legal now and people are free to do what they choose with their money.

 

[Deeeefense]

This is exactly the same thing that resulted in Pete Rose being banned from baseball for life, for those old enough to remember that far back.

 

[Catfanlou]

I had a friend who lost his house and marriage because of gambling . He told me once that he even tough he studied every aspect of what he was gambling on he knew that over a lifetime he would lose ten percent of what he had bet that he couldn’t help himself .
Another friend of mine made 80 million selling land to a casino operation. I saw him at the derby a few years later . I asked if he was up or down for the day . He replied he didn’t ever bet . said he just invested in sure things and came to the derby just to socialize .

 

[Rockford]

I don't see a problem only if the bet is to cover the points and you're going for the over any hint that you're holding back then there's a problem.

Incredibly bad take.

Still can influence the game. For good or bad.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I don't see any positive from it. Getting his parents involved to help hide it is proof he knew he wasn't suppose to be doing it. Just suppose he only bet his team to win and cover. Then one weekend he loses big by not covering. The gambler then offers to forgive that loss if he will play in a way to determine the outcome/spread of future games.

 

[TuckyFB]

"Let's record our crimes!"

"Great idea!"

 

[StubbornPenny]

"Let's record our crimes!"

"Great idea!"

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Omfg even dumber than I originally thought

 

[Ugoff]

 

[lazydave841]

His parents were helping him hide it. So instead of being like “now son, think if this is really a good idea,” they say, “wow cool!!! We’ll hide it for you and we’ll make a bunch of money!!” What dumbasses lol

Why didn't his parents just place the bets if they were going to get involved?

 

[travisbickle]

"Let's record our crimes!"

"Great idea!"

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Think they have a pretty strong case against him.

 

[Girthang]

In your example, deciding whether or not that’s a problem comes down to how you feel about people profiting from inside information. Which means maybe it’s no issue, but there are circumstances where it might be considered a problem.

Here’s a hypothetical. Let’s say you’re a player for Missouri who happens to have a close friend playing for UK. You’re also scheduled to play UK in a couple of days and Missouri is a slight underdog. During that week’s practice, Will Levis tears his ACL and won’t be able to play, and his backup is Morgan Newton. Your buddy from UK texts you right after practice with the news and you immediately pull up your phone to place a bet on Missouri before the news is public and the line moves.

As a result, you are able to pocket a bigger win because you were able to capitalize on information before it became available to the general public. Now, you personally may not see any issue with someone profiting from insider information, which is fine and you’re entitled to your opinion. I’m just pointing out a situation where others might consider a player betting on their own team to still be problematic.

Me personally, I’m not a fan of gambling period, but it’s legal now and people are free to do what they choose with their money.

I agree in principal.

The truth is that the entire world operates in the way you described and has for centuries if not millenia. If you AREN'T acting on what you know before any one else does, are you wasting the opportunity and the intelligence you've been given?

There's a difference for me between acting on knowledge or hunches received and controlling or influencing outcomes. That's where it becomes a much bigger issue when it comes to sports gambling and stock gambling (the entire stock market is essentially gambling). If you ate a public servant and know a stock is going to tank because of your position, I don't think you or your family or SOI should be able to profit off of it.

If you pick up the paper at 5am and see a story on the back page in small print that you can reason a profit from, I don't have a problem with that. If you know wheat futures are going sky high because you're a member of congress and starting a war in the Eastern Washington wheat fields in 2 weeks, I don't think you should be allowed to profit from your influencing of the market.

 

[Cat06]

I had a friend who lost his house and marriage because of gambling . He told me once that he even tough he studied every aspect of what he was gambling on he knew that over a lifetime he would lose ten percent of what he had bet that he couldn’t help himself .
Another friend of mine made 80 million selling land to a casino operation. I saw him at the derby a few years later . I asked if he was up or down for the day . He replied he didn’t ever bet . said he just invested in sure things and came to the derby just to socialize .

Are you saying he would only lose 10% of what he bet, in total? That doesn't seem close to plausible.

 

[Smashcat]

More Iowa, ISU players charged in betting probe

Four more Iowa State football players and three people from Iowa's program have been charged in the state's investigation into sports wagering, which alleges that several athletes placed bets on games in which they played.

www.espn.com

 

[Rockford]

Damn. ISU starting running back made 1,327 bets last year..... including 4 in games he played.

Average of a little over $9 per bet.

Damn........ put your whole college career and a school;arship at risk for $10 bets?

If you're gonna be dumb, you'd better be tough.

Now to wait for those who say he shouldn't be in trouble because the bets were small.... you know them... the Situational Ethics People.

 

[Girthang]

I never have a problem with anyone betting on their team to win a game.

Point spreads? Betting your team will lose? THAT I absolutely think is a problem. I think it's silly that they couldn't bet on their team to win.

Unfortunately for them, I think the rules they agreed to say otherwise. Not much sympathy in that regard

 

[Girthang]

What I don't get is WHY someone would admit to it, if they knew the rules? Lol. Why not just say he selected things and his mom placed the bets... ? Lmao.

This really does tell you and illustrate why people under the age of 21 shouldn't be able to gamble, enlist or be drafted, or be allowed to drink.

 

[JHB4UK]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.thegazette.com/cyclone-football/4-more-iowa-state-football-players-charged-in-sports-gambling-probe/%3Famp%3D1&ved=2ahUKEwjt6uTrttWAAxWXQjABHTV-AFUQFnoECDMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3Py1NIdxKaNe-tgP9XZ9L-

An Iowa State D linemen bet in his own team to lose to Texas the week of the game.

The Cyclones won 30-7!

Think about that: dude was in practice all week, watched film prep, and thought his side would be beat. If anyone should know it should be him, right!?!?

Don't let anybody ever tell you they know how to win money gambling picking winners & losers. If a kid on a team can't accurately tell what his own side is gonna do, how is someone sitting behind a screen gonna be a better picker?

 

[BigRedMachineBigBlueNation]

Yep money ruins sports

 

[BlueWhite21]

I never have a problem with anyone betting on their team to win a game.

Point spreads? Betting your team will lose? THAT I absolutely think is a problem. I think it's silly that they couldn't bet on their team to win.

Unfortunately for them, I think the rules they agreed to say otherwise. Not much sympathy in that regard

I get what you're trying to say by betting on your own team to win or cover the spread, but after a couple times betting on your own team to cover/win successfully will only lead most bettors into that greedy way of thinking as long as I win the game it'll be ok if I don't cover the spread just this one game and then it just gets to a point where it's like playing with fire because when you start betting money and win on a nice lick it's so easy to get hooked on that little rush and then the thought process starts changing and all the logical thinking goes out the window quicker than some folks realize. I'm a gambler and I see how it could easily get out of control.

 

[Girthang]

I get what you're trying to say by betting on your own team to win or cover the spread, but after a couple times betting on your own team to cover/win successfully will only lead most bettors into that greedy way of thinking as long as I win the game it'll be ok if I don't cover the spread just this one game and then it just gets to a point where it's like playing with fire because when you start betting money and win on a nice lick it's so easy to get hooked on that little rush and then the thought process starts changing and all the logical thinking goes out the window quicker than some folks realize. I'm a gambler and I see how it could easily get out of control.

Then maybe we shouldn't allow gambling at all. Mayors, governors, and other people do it publicly and have for over a century. If it's wrong for a person to bet, then no one should be betting. If the slope is that slippery, put up a guardrail and put an end to it. Lottery too.

It's either OK or it's not OK.

 

[Deeeefense]

The only players that likely would be in any position to throw a game would be the QBs. At the professional level a QB salary is so high that the amount of money it would take to get them to throw a gain would be enormous. And of course they would be risking their lucrative careers if involved in such things. Therefore I seriously doubt this is an issue. However at the college level you have a different situation. With the NIL it's legal to pay players and you don't necessarily have to a fan of a team the player is on or even live in their state. I'm waiting for the day when someone from a Georgia pays the QB of a team like Alabama a huge NIL sum right before the two teams play in the championship game. Perfectly legal of course.

BTW gambling on sports isn't something new. The rest of the world has been doing it for decades, it's on the U.S. that has recently come around. I've been gambling on football for over 30 years on line at off shore books like Bovada. However no one involved in the sports directly should gamble on the outcome of games period and the penalties should be stiff if caught.

 

[JHB4UK]

The only players that likely would be in any position to throw a game would be the QBs.

Long snapper

Punter

Field goal unit center

Placekicker

 

[StubbornPenny]

Long snapper

Punter

Field goal unit center

Placekicker

Or almost all positions. It would be easiest for the QB to do, but say you’re a CB and you need the opposing team to cover… just fall down. Dang coach, I just tripped…

 

[EKCAT4YRS]

OL-come on thru bro!
DL come on thru bro!

 

[JHB4UK]

OL-come on thru bro!
DL come on thru bro!

But those positions have backups, 2nd string! Ask Mark Stoops how many CFB teams have a 2nd string longsnapper!

 

[Smashcat]

 

[BlueWhite21]

Then maybe we shouldn't allow gambling at all. Mayors, governors, and other people do it publicly and have for over a century. If it's wrong for a person to bet, then no one should be betting. If the slope is that slippery, put up a guardrail and put an end to it. Lottery too.

It's either OK or it's not OK.

All I'm saying is if a kid is playing in a basketball or football game then I don't think that kid should be wagering on the games he's playing in. I do think that's a slippery slope. It'd be one thing if he could only bet on his team to win or cover the spread and go out and play his heart out and leave it all on the field while winning a few dollars, but these are college aged kids who sometimes get to thinking they're invincible and combined with being greedy and one thing leads to another and if it ever gets found out by the public that player is done.

No coach or player who truly wants to win a game or play for championship's wants to be on a field with a ref or player who may have a betting interest in that game against his team. If a guy ever had a shot at playing at the next level and gets caught then that dream is over, or if he ever had dreams of coaching that dream is also over. So when he becomes a lawyer or politician then he can bet on all the games he wants to bet on. It's like the guy at Iowa St. who played in a game and bet against his own team to lose that game. Nobody will probably ever trust him again as a teammate to lay it on the line and trust that he is giving 110%.

I understand we live in the age where guys "opt out" and quit and they don't care like they once did about playing for the fans or even their own teammates and it's cool to just quit now because God forbid they twist an ankle or break a damn nail but ppl watch it and haven't given up on it yet but I think once ppl give in to the whole idea of it being ok for players to bet on games they play in without much of any reprocussions I think thats when the game starts to finally seriously lose some fan interest.

 

[bluecoon1]

I never have a problem with anyone betting on their team to win a game.

Point spreads? Betting your team will lose? THAT I absolutely think is a problem. I think it's silly that they couldn't bet on their team to win.

Unfortunately for them, I think the rules they agreed to say otherwise. Not much sympathy in that regard

There was a documentary on Netflix about an Arizona St bball player point shaving back in the ‘90’s. His controller and backer said he was so good at controlling the spread that he could normally be within a couple of points so it didn’t look so obvious. Not as easy in football but I’m sure it can be done.

 

[Girthang]

All I'm saying is if a kid is playing in a basketball or football game then I don't think that kid should be wagering on the games he's playing in. I do think that's a slippery slope. It'd be one thing if he could only bet on his team to win or cover the spread and go out and play his heart out and leave it all on the field while winning a few dollars, but these are college aged kids who sometimes get to thinking they're invincible and combined with being greedy and one thing leads to another and if it ever gets found out by the public that player is done.

No coach or player who truly wants to win a game or play for championship's wants to be on a field with a ref or player who may have a betting interest in that game against his team. If a guy ever had a shot at playing at the next level and gets caught then that dream is over, or if he ever had dreams of coaching that dream is also over. So when he becomes a lawyer or politician then he can bet on all the games he wants to bet on. It's like the guy at Iowa St. who played in a game and bet against his own team to lose that game. Nobody will probably ever trust him again as a teammate to lay it on the line and trust that he is giving 110%.

I understand we live in the age where guys "opt out" and quit and they don't care like they once did about playing for the fans or even their own teammates and it's cool to just quit now because God forbid they twist an ankle or break a damn nail but ppl watch it and haven't given up on it yet but I think once ppl give in to the whole idea of it being ok for players to bet on games they play in without much of any reprocussions I think thats when the game starts to finally seriously lose some fan interest.

I fully understood what you were saying.

I don't care what the slope is, if they're going to allow gambling on any level. If the kid isn't betting point spreads or on his team to lose, it shouldn't be illegal for them to bet on the same game you can bet on. Period

There are a million and one slippery slopes out there. Doesn't mean we haven't created them and should punish people that haven't slipped on them.