imo MARCUS LEE has a chance to be a defensive poy candidate
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I have seen enough of your posts to respect your opinion. But regarding Lee, Dakari, WCS, you disagree with all NBA executives. Dakari and WCS were just drafted. WCS went in the lottery. Lee will be back at Kentucky this year because Calipari and others advised him that he would not get drafted. Don't kid yourself. If Lee could get drafted, he would be gone. By returning to Kentucky, he accepts another year as a back-up role player, this time behind Poythress and Labissiere. Calipari has explained that Poythress will play 4 this year because of changes in the NBA style of play which effect his pro future. Poythress is stronger, better, more skilled than Lee. If Poythress plays more minutes than Lee, that means Calipari thinks he is a better player. I cannot say with 100% certainty that Lee won't beat out Poythress. But I wouldn't bet on that, and Lee isn't betting on it either. Lee is back only because he knows he isn't ready for the NBA. Therefore, he isn't better than 2 other Kentucky players who were just drafted.
I'm not seeing DPOY but I do think Lee's about to step up big time this year.
Saying that Lee is better than Cauley-Stein, an opinion that is based on absolutely nothing, does in fact make you an idiot.
Good lord, you should've just left this post with the prior typo, the edit just made you look more foolish.
Please elaborate on your basis for believing that Lee is better than Willie Cauley-Stein, I'd love to hear it. Is there any actual evidence you can cite to support that strange opinion?
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If Lee doubles his minutes and doubles his production, then I think he has had a great year.
That would be about 22 minutes per game, and around 5 points and 5 rebounds per game.
I think those numbers are realistic and should be what we hope for. I am not expecting more.
That would be about 22 minutes per game, and around 5 points and 5 rebounds per game.
I think those numbers are realistic and should be what we hope for. I am not expecting more.
So you are saying if Lee doesn't go in the lottery next year that both you and he have failed. Poor Marcus has to better the quickest 7' defender in several decades. And you have to make good on what will likely be the most outlandish and unsupportable BS prediction this year.
I expect Lee to have a good year and improve his stats. You will fail miserably. Shame on you for seeding such ridiculous expectations.
This isn't a situation where two people can have two different equally valid opinions. There is an answer that is able to be determined using facts and being able to comprehend what one is watching. Lee was easily the worst of our bigs last year, and his playing time reflected that. In order to believe what you are stating, you have to believe that Cal plays favorites, or has some grudge against Lee. I'm confident you have no evidence for either. Also, you have to lack the ability to comprehend what you are watching when he plays.
I think this is entirely reasonable. Personally, I see Lee as a high energy contributor, who's hopefully added skill to go along with his physical gifts. Maybe the game will slow down for him and he won't get lost as often.
But the leap from bench depth to DPOY is just too much. No he's not capable, and that's not a knock in him. We've one DPOY ever, Anthony Davis, who happens to be one of very best players in the world. At this rate, I'm not even sure Lee will play in the NBA.
There are plentiful, en-joyful, Marcus Lee-analysis in this thread. Some I agree with; some I don't.
But haven't you heard? He's not even the best Lee in the state...
Just ask UL, their Lee will be the best player upon the entire floor when we match up and face each other.
But haven't you heard? He's not even the best Lee in the state...
Just ask UL, their Lee will be the best player upon the entire floor when we match up and face each other.
http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/04/marcus-lee-wisonsin-frank-kaminsky
I, grant you this is a message board full of opinions. But the way you have acted lately is not cool. You act like your evaluations of recruits and players are the final word. I hate to break it to ya, but it's not. I'm not saying Lee is going to be a defensive player of the year but he has all the tools. He and dakari of all people shut down Kaminsky and Wisconsin inside the year before, WCS was a no show. WCS was a lottery pick after his worst game of the season. Not everyone judges the way you do.
Why you being such a prick! For one. Lee led the nation in blocks and rebounds in high school. He played better defense against Kaminsky the year before in the final four than WCS. If Lee had the opportunities WCS did he might be looked at different. You pounce on him saying you haven't seen anything in two years.... Don't you remember ?lee got the nod over WCS starting as a freshman but then got sick! Then WCS got hurt and all the talk was Lee in the tourney.
I, grant you this is a message board full of opinions. But the way you have acted lately is not cool. You act like your evaluations of recruits and players are the final word. I hate to break it to ya, but it's not. I'm not saying Lee is going to be a defensive player of the year but he has all the tools. He and dakari of all people shut down Kaminsky and Wisconsin inside the year before, WCS was a no show. WCS was a lottery pick after his worst game of the season. Not everyone judges the way you do.
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I agree that everyone has an opinion but DJ's offense was what got him on the floor ahead of Lee. And when DJ started hitting his free throws it cemented his time on the floor. Any coach not called Calipari would have made the same decision, at least I believe this.
It's my opinion that Lee will be better than Skal yes. You guys think Skal will be better, you have no data to make such claim other than what draft so called experts think. Did you watch draft this year??? These goofballs weren"t close to what actually happened. I don't go by what expertd say i watch the games...i suggest you do the same
Lee better than Skal? I mean it could be that you are trolling with these kinds of posts. Or you could be lacking so much basketball intelligence that you do not know better.
You keep talking proof. Lee has given you 2 years of proof.
Skal has played against tremendous competition and excelled, to the point that he is possibly the #1 pick in the draft.
Skal handles the ball better, shoots better, and passes better.
I am willing to bet the house that Skals bball acumen far exceeds Marcus'
Thus Skal will probably make better decisions and more timely plays on both O and D.
Skal is a player.
Marcus Lee is playing.
And once more, we all hope for Marcus to have a major year.
You have a right to believe what you want. I was at a public hearing downtown last week, and some lady was on a rant because she believes climate change has poisoned our nation's food supply and made her sick. In Galileo's time, most people believed the world was flat. They were sure, but history showed they were wrong. I watch every Kentucky game, attend most home games at Rupp. I am not an expert or a goofball, but I have watched college basketball for a long time. To me, the guys on the bench who play 10 minutes don't look as skilled or effective as the guys who start each game and and play 25-30 minutes. If you trust Calipari, you have to admit that his best players get the most minutes. Since their jobs depend on it, you have to admit that NBA executives draft the best players in the country, while others who can't get drafted go back for another season of college ball. So these kinds of predictions can easily be verified or disproven. If Lee was better than Cauley Stein, then Lee would have gotten drafted. If Lee is better than Labissiere, then Lee will play and Labissiere will sit. So if you are as sure as you sound on this thread, come back here around Thanksgiving and tell us again how Lee is better than Labissiere. If you are proven right about Lee, then you can gloat and I will compliment you. But if Lee is sitting while Labissiere is playing, then don't BS about it.
Bucs, honey - stop making so much sense!
As much as I'd love to see Marcus really break out (see previous posts) I just haven't seen anything that says he will. That's not to say he WON'T - but prior play suggests that he'll be as you state here; with the occasional monster game.
Also, as I mentioned before - Marcus' biggest (IMO) contribution is his energy. There is no doubt that every time he's on the floor he gives it all he has.
All of us hope Marcus Lee breaks out this year. So far, we have had a lot of talk about whether he will or he won't break out, but not much talk about what it will actually take. I think that is what Bucsrule was addressing. Let's make this as simple as possible. Lee must get physically stronger, so he can increase his playing time up to 20-25 minutes and bang inside with Damian Jones and Ben Simmons. Last year he hit 35% from the free throw line. If he wants to play more minutes for Calipari, he must hit at least 55% from the free throw line. Most importantly, he must develop scoring skills. If you want to play 20+ minutes on a title contending team, you have to be able to score more ways than just dunks and put backs. If Lee improves in all these areas, then he can split time with Poythress at 4 and maybe get some backup minutes behind Labissiere at 5 in November while Humphries learns. Another piece of this that nobody is talking about is Poythress' physical condition. Poythress has more skills and strength than Lee, but Poythress had knee surgery last December. Poythress is still not playing basketball yet, although he might be 100% by November. But if he isn't, then Lee has to play whether he is improved or not.
I will not want praise if Lee has a good year just like i didnt want it when after one game in bahamas i said Ulis was gonna be hard to keep off the floor. Some things are obvious as in Ulis just having what it takes to be elite player...most of us saw that right away. Maybe Marcus abilities and need for more playing time are not as obvious to some. But that doesn't make you correct and me and others trolls because we may be adament that he gets more time. I love the back and forth in these threads but when it is all said and done we aren't gonna know until the games begin.
Excellent post (of course!). And you are correct in stating in what it will take. I'm guilty of not addressing that as well.
Thanks you for putting this out there, perhaps the discussion will take a more intellectual turn?
Marcus will get more playing time if a) he shows he deserves it in practice. b) shows he deserves it on the floor and c) most importantly, improves in the areas Blue Decade pointed out in his post.
You are correct in stating that we will not know what he can/will do until the games begin.
Ulis has offensive skills. There is no comparison between Ulis and Lee except for the fact that 2015-16 will be a defining season for both. Ulis and Lee will now have chances to win serious playing time. If they can. Last year, Ulis averaged 23.8 minutes, Lee averaged 10.9. Andrew Harrison and WCS are gone to the NBA. You said "maybe Marcus abilities and need for playing time are not obvious to some". WTH does that mean? What does Marcus' need for playing time have to do with it? Does Poythress need playing time? The rest of us are missing something only you can see. There is a word for that kind of thinking. If Lee gets stronger and develops some offensive skills, his playing time will increase. I don't see how he can beat out Poythress or Labissiere if they are healthy. If he does, I will be the 1st to compliment him. Otherwise, I can't see what you are talking about, and I have watched a lot of college basketball. Maybe it's time to just let the players themselves compete and answer your prediction.
Who is on Lee's back? Everyone wants him to be successful. Can we say that Lee needs to hit his free throws and develop some offensive skills? Isn't that a fact?
Not sure why you cant see his point, if Marcus plays more he will get more free throws and his FTM % will obviously increase... right?
dude stop it. lee is not better than skal. i love lee to death but he can't shoot a basketball consistently, or well at all.
Great post.
That's a good point about Poythress. With Poythress possibly still out until December (an ACL recovery can take up to a full year), Lee is likely going to get his shot early on to shine. We may be looking at a rotation of Lee, Labissiere, and Humphries at the 4 and 5 spot for the first month or so of the season. Lee better show the improvements you were talking about or it might cost us some games.
i expect more improvement but offensively you should be right. however i believe he will be allowed to actually get blocks not called fouls being a primary player and being a name that people will recognize having been spotted in two final fours already. so in twenty minutes i could see two blocks a game and over a steal. maybe not dpoy but maybe a candidate. skal will out rebound him and block just as much but i think lee will get more deflections and steals.
The point is you need court time to improve. Marcus shoots 1-3 from the line yea he is gonna suck. But if he gets minutes minutes minutes and did i say minutes...then he may go 4-7 or 6-10 and that's improvement. Cal always says..you don't have to make them all you just can't miss them all. With increased playing time and being allowed to play thru mistakes your performance will improve.. wCS was afforded those minutes and mistakes and looking lost on the court...all i ask is Marcus be given that and he will make vast improvement and our team will do the same.
Marcus's overall game will improve with more time. Marcus did not deserve any time over Willie because WCS did many more things better than Lee.
More attempts at the line doesn't necessarily mean you will shoot a better percentage. In fact, if it becomes an issue in his head it could lower. DeAndre Daniels has over 1000 attempts, still barely 40%.
Becoming a better player with more minutes is totally different than becoming a better shooter just because of more PT.
And i have to add, there are a lot of us here who have played and watched players for decades, IF Lee's shot was smooth with good rotation there would be less complaining. Players go through slumps, even great shooters but, he doesn't look comfortable and possibly some mechanics need adjusted. I'm sure the staff is on it.
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Marcus isn't gonna step outside and hit jumpers...not his game but guess what Willie and Dakari couldnt do it either. MRcus will get his points on alleyoops putbacks and hustle plays. In no way am i saying Marcus is offensive juggernaut but it is his intangibles that he brings to the floor that makes him valuable...lets just see how it plays out....Thanks
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