If Stoops returns, next year will be way worse

[seccats04]

Surely, this is Stoops' last year. This year looks like a disaster but next year will be even worse if he returns. Look at what we lose after this year. A lot of good seniors and a few guys who may go pro early.

WR- Key, Brown and Maclin could all go pro early or will surely transfer to a team that can throw for more than 30 yards. If this happens, our best WR's will be Brown-Stephens and Gilmore. We literally have no other scholarship players except Farrier and Fr Washington.
OL- Mincey (who was good at UT but sucks here-hmm), Eli Cox, Marques Cox, Ford - These guys may not be all world but we have very little behind them because our recruiting here has been abysmal so next year could be even worse. J Burton may be our top returner- barf.
TE- None expected unless Dingle transfers again.
RB- Top two RB's Trayanum and DSK.
DL- Deone (pro), Oxendine, Henry-Young, Rybka, Hayes- Yikes, our best unit loses a lot after this year.
LB- Dumas Johnson, Rayner, Jackson, Weaver- Yikes, three really good LB's gone.
DB- Hairston (pro), Story, Childress
K- Raynor

 

[BlueBallz]

I’m not sure why this would be Stoops last year, his contract is through 2031. I don’t see him walking away from that, I don’t see a buyout and I don’t see any other program hiring him away. Like it or not, he’s here to stay a while.

 

[UKWildcats1987]

Next year you also have more swing games on the road (SC, auburn and Vandy) while having more loseable home games (Texas, UT and Ole Miss). Uga and UL on road as well.

 

[seccats04]

I’m not sure why this would be Stoops last year, his contract is through 2031. I don’t see him walking away from that, I don’t see a buyout and I don’t see any other program hitting him away. Like it or not, he’s here to stay a while.

Maybe, but he said something probably a couple of years ago when he was talking about his brother Bob walking away when he was in his prime because of quality of life or something to that effect. I really don’t think he’ll stick around if things get ugly around here this year.

 

[seccats04]

Next year you also have more swing games on the road (SC, auburn and Vandy) while having more loseable home games (Texas, UT and Ole Miss). Uga and UL on road as well.

We don’t win our home games anymore anyway so it really doesn’t matter.

 

[cats2010]

I’m not sure why this would be Stoops last year, his contract is through 2031. I don’t see him walking away from that, I don’t see a buyout and I don’t see any other program hiring him away. Like it or not, he’s here to stay a while.

The Murray state game on Nov. 16 might draw 20,000 people if this season goes as i suspect which is to be sitting at 3-6 or 2-7. Fan apathy will set in at some point, I mean it’s pretty much here already after week 2. Stoops needs to do something other than coach UK next season however that comes to pass. If he is still here in 25 that will definitely be his last year as neither this year or next will be bowl seasons. Doubtful he gets 10 wins between the 2 seasons combined.

 

[kats23]

I’m not sure why this would be Stoops last year, his contract is through 2031. I don’t see him walking away from that, I don’t see a buyout and I don’t see any other program hiring him away. Like it or not, he’s here to stay a while.

I’ve had a gut feeling since the Texas A&M debacle, this would be his last year at UK. After two mediocre seasons and then bitching about NIL I think he’ll either retire or head to another school to rebuild if he has another bad year here. Fan support is super low.

By the way, all three things you mentioned in your post about Stoops not leaving was said about Cal and then poof, Cal was gone.

 

[JumperJack]

I’m not sure why this would be Stoops last year, his contract is through 2031. I don’t see him walking away from that, I don’t see a buyout and I don’t see any other program hiring him away. Like it or not, he’s here to stay a while.

Again, our AD handcuffed us.

Nothing gets better until his way of thinking is gone.

 

[FirewithFire]

Stoops isn't going anywhere because he doesn't have anywhere to go. I honestly don't know how UK gets out of this one. I don't see Stoops leaving and he can't be fired so....

 

[Cleatortoises]

He looked pretty miserable.
We will make it worse if we tank.
But 9 large is a big number.
He'll be back.

 

[Rockfly78]

Too early to be talking about this. But just for shits and goggles…..

The fanbase screamed to the heavens to fire cal and Mitch wasn’t gonna pay 30m to do it. Guess what it would cost to fire stoops, 44 million biggins. So yall gotta stop wasting your time with this talk about firing

 

[ManitouDan]

How does admin keep making the same mistake ? Giving long term contracts to old coaches who are on their way out ? Mitch does some good things but the Cal contract and giving some mediocre dude like Stoops the brinks truck and 1/2 of Fort Knox was sooo dumb .

 

[ManitouDan]

Too early to be talking about this. But just for shits and goggles…..

The fanbase screamed to the heavens to fire cal and Mitch wasn’t gonna pay 30m to do it. Guess what it would cost to fire stoops, 44 million biggins. So yall gotta stop wasting your time with this talk about firing

Well John Cals address isn’t Lexington Ky anyone either .. more ways to force a coach to move on than a firing .

 

[ukalum1988]

I’m not sure why this would be Stoops last year, his contract is through 2031. I don’t see him walking away from that, I don’t see a buyout and I don’t see any other program hiring him away. Like it or not, he’s here to stay a while.

Thanks Barnhart.

 

[Rockfly78]

Well John Cals address isn’t Lexington Ky anyone either .. more ways to force a coach to move on than a firing .

Stoops has a great relationship with Mitch and the boosters. Cal did not. But to you point, he almost left last year. Here’s the thing with that, he was being pursued. A 4 win season won’t blow his agents phone up. My guess is he will milk it until retirement or he’s convinced to renegotiate that buyout. Mitch will be patient with him.

 

[UKWildcats1987]

Well John Cals address isn’t Lexington Ky anyone either .. more ways to force a coach to move on than a firing .

Cal left on his own. That's what we have to hope for here as well.

 

[KYExtemper]

How does admin keep making the same mistake ? Giving long term contracts to old coaches who are on their way out ? Mitch does some good things but the Cal contract and giving some mediocre dude like Stoops the brinks truck and 1/2 of Fort Knox was sooo dumb .

Because Mitch convinces himself that other people were going to poach our coaches and we must keep them at all costs. Understandable with Cal pre-2020 but with Stoops it became laughable.

 

[WildcatofNati2]

I’ve had a gut feeling since the Texas A&M debacle, this would be his last year at UK. After two mediocre seasons and then bitching about NIL I think he’ll either retire or head to another school to rebuild if he has another bad year here. Fan support is super low.

By the way, all three things you mentioned in your post about Stoops not leaving was said about Cal and then poof, Cal was gone.

The one difference is that Calipari still had enough credibility to entice a top 20 basketball program to take him. If this season goes where it looks like it's going, no Arkansas is going to come calling for Stoops. No Florida, no Baylor, no Ole Miss if Kiffin leaves there, etc.

 

[Cleatortoises]

Cal left on his own. That's what we have to hope for here as well.

He actually violated the terms of his contract and lost his leverage.
Stoops won't make that mistake.
He may leave but it'll be on his terms, or he'll get the stacks.

 

[YardCat]

After a 4 win season, will another team pay you 9 million? He will be back with the same BS offensive line blocking and a scared QB

 

[ManitouDan]

JHMO .. they want to find a violation in the code of ethics or the contract .. easy peasy . I've seen it happen to myself and to too many others . corporate wants you gone ... you gone .

 

[bigbluedon]

I’m not sure why this would be Stoops last year, his contract is through 2031. I don’t see him walking away from that, I don’t see a buyout and I don’t see any other program hiring him away. Like it or not, he’s here to stay a while.

It was people saying the same thing about that asshole that tried to coach our basketball team, and his buyout was bigger and yet he is now gone. Buyouts can be overcome.

 

[bigbluedon]

Cal left on his own. That's what we have to hope for here as well.

Not really but that is for another day. But Stoops can’t leave soon enough for me.

 

[BlueBallz]

It was people saying the same thing about that asshole that tried to coach our basketball team, and his buyout was bigger and yet he is now gone. Buyouts can be overcome.

UK had the luxury of another major program hiring him away, I don’t see any program worthwhile that will also pay him near what he’s making now. If it weren’t for Arky, Cal would still be here. Plus, basketball and football programs at UK are different animals.

 

[Zakk Wyldcat]

He ever should've been allowed back on campus after the A&M situation, but the neutered AD has no balls

 

[WildcatofNati2]

He ever should've been allowed back on campus after the A&M situation, but the neutered AD has no balls

I don't see how that could have happened, unless we wanted to eat 30 million. I don't know how that it was a contract violation.

 

[3632]

Stoops has a great relationship with Mitch and the boosters. Cal did not. But to you point, he almost left last year. Here’s the thing with that, he was being pursued. A 4 win season won’t blow his agents phone up. My guess is he will milk it until retirement or he’s convinced to renegotiate that buyout. Mitch will be patient with him.

Stoops has been publicly making comments this last off season inferring the admin working to generate NIL isn’t existent. Some of that is passing the buck but it is indeed true the department staff has done very little in the way to help coaches with generating this. He knows this he competes against people that have more ad staff involvement. They leave it up to the coaches to do it. Most sec programs have much better fundraising arms than we do. Mitch is the manage the tv revenue and such guy but has never been a strong fundraiser. The coaches are left to do a lot of work for it not just come in and finish it off

 

[RU4UK]

Stoops has a great relationship with Mitch and the boosters. Cal did not. But to you point, he almost left last year. Here’s the thing with that, he was being pursued. A 4 win season won’t blow his agents phone up. My guess is he will milk it until retirement or he’s convinced to renegotiate that buyout. Mitch will be patient with him.

Are you sure he STILL has a great relationship with them?

 

[Rockfly78]

Are you sure he STILL has a great relationship with them?

Are you sure he doesn’t?

 

[NoDef]

At least Cal was one of the highest paid coaches and had ranked teams...Stoops is the ninth highest paid coach in CFB and not even in the conversation on being a pre- season top 25 program. Probably not even top 50 right now.

 

[Edgarman]

I’m not sure why this would be Stoops last year, his contract is through 2031. I don’t see him walking away from that, I don’t see a buyout and I don’t see any other program hiring him away. Like it or not, he’s here to stay a while.

Fire his ass. The $40 Million is actually chicken feed compared to what a good coach with a heart beat would produce in revenue. If we had a coach who could just create energy and that is what recruiting is all about. NIL is part of it but kids attraction to a go getter energized coach is what creates good recruiting. Just think if you were a D! prospect, why in heck would you want to play for a antique coach like Stoops? You would not and neither do the top prospects in today's world. If we find a young hungry coach, I know we could get him for under $5 Million per year. The $millions savings and new energy in program would make the buyout for Stoops be chicken feed. Another year or two of Stoops, the University of Kentuck should shut down our football program because in two more years of Stoops the program will be DEAD. It may take a new University President tp fire our AD to start a recovery of a competitive football program. Right now we do not have a competitive SEC program. Maybe our current situation could be competitive in the MAC or AAC conferences. Sad times in BBN!

 

[Mike-McD]

Too early to be talking about this. But just for shits and goggles…..

The fanbase screamed to the heavens to fire cal and Mitch wasn’t gonna pay 30m to do it. Guess what it would cost to fire stoops, 44 million biggins. So yall gotta stop wasting your time with this talk about firing

Is Cal still here?

 

[Mike-McD]

Stoops has a great relationship with Mitch and the boosters. Cal did not. But to you point, he almost left last year. Here’s the thing with that, he was being pursued. A 4 win season won’t blow his agents phone up. My guess is he will milk it until retirement or he’s convinced to renegotiate that buyout. Mitch will be patient with him.

That’s what you bois said about Cal. Lol he couldn’t take the heat and left. Why didn’t he just milk it? Cal is a way bigger ahole than Stoops.

 

[BlueBallz]

That’s what you bois said about Cal. Lol he couldn’t take the heat and left. Why didn’t he just milk it? Cal is a way bigger ahole than Stoops.

The difference is, Arkansas hired Cal away, who is going to hire Stoops? Nobody.

 

[gojvc]

That’s what you bois said about Cal. Lol he couldn’t take the heat and left. Why didn’t he just milk it? Cal is a way bigger ahole than Stoops.

Cal didn’t lose much by leaving. Stoops ain’t getting anything remotely close to $9M anywhere else. Totally different.

 

[Rockfly78]

That’s what you bois said about Cal. Lol he couldn’t take the heat and left. Why didn’t he just milk it? Cal is a way bigger ahole than Stoops.

He tried every way he could to stay but once he flirted with arky he breached his contract and allowed Mitch to offload him for free. That relationship was already toxic. Perhaps Mitch could have done the same with stoops last year when he flirted with TAM but he didn’t. Instead he welcomed him back and approved extensions for his staff.

Is there anything else you need cleared up?

 

[Mike-McD]

He tried every way he could to stay but once he flirted with arky he breached his contract and allowed Mitch to offload him for free. That relationship was already toxic. Perhaps Mitch could have done the same with stoops last year when he flirted with TAM but he didn’t. Instead he welcomed him back and approved extensions for his staff.

Is there anything else you need cleared up?

Your “explanation” of Cal’s situation came from KSR and has been disputed as not being true. Why would he welcome back a middling coach and not a HOF coach? Clear that up.

 

[Rockfly78]

Your “explanation” of Cal’s situation came from KSR and has been disputed as not being true. Why would he welcome back a middling coach and not a HOF coach? Clear that up.

Tell me what happened then

 

[KyCatFan]

Too early to be talking about this. But just for shits and goggles…..

The fanbase screamed to the heavens to fire cal and Mitch wasn’t gonna pay 30m to do it. Guess what it would cost to fire stoops, 44 million biggins. So yall gotta stop wasting your time with this talk about firing

We're already saving over $4 million a year getting rid of Cal. We could probably get Sumrall for about the same as Pope. That's another $4 million a year saved. We'd negotiate the Stoops contract down to probably half of what we owe him and pay it back over a number of years. We'd actually probably be better off financially from it. Plus it will bring more enthusiasm to the fanbase to spend money.

 

[UKWildcats1987]

We're already saving over $4 million a year getting rid of Cal. We could probably get Sumrall for about the same as Pope. That's another $4 million a year saved. We'd negotiate the Stoops contract down to probably half of what we owe him and pay it back over a number of years. We'd actually probably be better off financially from it. Plus it will bring more enthusiasm to the fanbase to spend money.

What's endgame though?

Not winning anything that matters anyways.