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If Cal leaves... Give me Bennett all day long

If or when Cal leaves it is going to be a sad day for Kentucky fans. Like in kind to a big family loosing their Mom or Dad. Maybe there is some coach that will be able to keep the ship afloat for awhile like Joe B did after we lost Adolph and maybe another JA like Pitino that will emerge to make a splash for his own ego needs, but in general there is no coach out their that right now who can replace Cal. Let's hope that changes by the time he wants to step down. And don't forget the next time Barnhart alone will make the decision of who gets that job - now isn't that a reassuring thought.
 
As this thread, and all the others like it, make so very clear, it's an unenviable situation. I'm glad it's not my job to hire the replacement for Cal. About 97.6% of the names brought up simply are not good matches for UK one reason or another. You have to figure that out, and zero in on the couple that could work. And then hope you can get them to come. Miller, for example, agreed he's probably first on the list. I doubt if anyone has any idea if he wants to leave Arizona, a pretty fair basketball school mind you, for this fishbowl......
 
Originally posted by Free_Salato_Blue:
Wouldn't you maybe look at one of Cal's current or former assistants?
This is my thought. I think Robic would be an excellent candidate. I also think that Sean Miller should be on the list because he can recruit. But can he sustain anything for a long duration?
 
Originally posted by Farsight:


Originally posted by Free_Salato_Blue:
Wouldn't you maybe look at one of Cal's current or former assistants?
This is my thought. I think Robic would be an excellent candidate.
You or I have a better shot of being Kentucky's next coach.
 
"Bored people to death, just like they do in the regular season. And lost.

He's 5-4 in the tourney. Last year was his 1st ever trip to the Sweet 16.

I you want a (very solid, admittedly) coach whose goal is to have a lot of 50-49 games, Bennett's your man. If you want a coach whose goal is to win 25 games and make the Sweet 16, Bennett's your man. If you want a coach who can lure top talent, then make them into a top team, without crumbling under the weight of consistent FF expectations? Ehh...not so sure about that one. "

5-4 is not that bad. you're going to have a loss for every year you make the tourney if you don't win it all. Looks like he's never lost in the first round.

Cal can recruit anywhere but better at UK. Bennett would be a better recruiter at UK because of who we are. Would it be good enough? Who knows? And he might play more up tempo with better players, but again who knows. The fact that he HAS to coach to get wins AND CAN certainly should be looked upon as a plus. UK could do worse and has but I'm not sure he'd be my top choice.
 
Originally posted by Joneslab:
Originally posted by Farsight:


Originally posted by Free_Salato_Blue:
Wouldn't you maybe look at one of Cal's current or former assistants?
This is my thought. I think Robic would be an excellent candidate.
You or I have a better shot of being Kentucky's next coach.
Why you don't like Robic?
 
Originally posted by Farsight:


Originally posted by Joneslab:

Originally posted by Farsight:



Originally posted by Free_Salato_Blue:
Wouldn't you maybe look at one of Cal's current or former assistants?
This is my thought. I think Robic would be an excellent candidate.
You or I have a better shot of being Kentucky's next coach.
Why you don't like Robic?
I love Robic.

But he has no business being considered for the head coaching job here.
 
Here's a realistic list...

Robic/Payne/Coach O

Miller

Hoiberg

Bennent

Thad Matta

Okay wait a second here. I remember a few years back when Ohio State had their runs, many wanted Thad Matta as a potential replacement. I can see similarities between Thad Matta, and the above list. This may be the beginning of their streak of good teams and then dwindle down from there.

To be honest at the moment there isn't a coach on Cal's level. And that's okay because remember Kentucky's Coaching Cycle.

Rupp - Great

B. Hall - Good

Sutton - Drunk

Pitino - Great

Smith - Good

Gilisipe - Drunk

Calipari - Great

Next Hire - Good

So with that in mind I could see Miller, Hoiberg and Bennent being those "good" coaches that will keep us decently competitive and may win 1 title. --- So Let's Hope that Cal can at least catch UCLA before he retires.
 
Originally posted by bigblueinsanity:

Noone besides me would want to make a run at Hoiberg?
I like Hoiberg, but I think he leaves some to be desired as a recruiter. A lot of his talent has come via transfer, which I'm not sure you can depend on long term. I think it's been proven by both of Cal's predecessors that the Kentucky name alone is not enough to bring in elite talent. So the next guy needs to be a very good recruiter.

Sean Miller would be my first choice. He's recruited well, been able to keep a pretty strong hold on keeping great talent to stay out west. He's had some success in March at both Xavier and Arizona.
 
Eddie Sutton may have been a drunk but he could coach circles around Gilliespie and OTS (3 final fours with 2 different schools and should have a had 4th with us).

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I'd tell Phil Jackson to give up on the Knicks experiment, and come coach at UK to make another true dynasty like he is accustomed to.

But in all seriousness, I think a coach with previous NBA experience, a la Cal and Rick, would be most beneficial. There are plenty of brilliant minds on the sidelines of the NBA (ass. coaches) that would be primed for a shot at the college stage. Most of built connections through all levels of basketball, and so I don't think recruiting would be an issue.
 
Originally posted by Farsight:

Originally posted by Joneslab:
Originally posted by Farsight:


Originally posted by Free_Salato_Blue:
Wouldn't you maybe look at one of Cal's current or former assistants?
This is my thought. I think Robic would be an excellent candidate.
You or I have a better shot of being Kentucky's next coach.
Why you don't like Robic?
I think he simply sees that John has no credentials to be a top level DI coach. The mere fact that he has chosen to be an assistant for most of his carreer (he is 51) says he is satisfied with the number two position - not exactly what Kentucky needs. His only head coaching position was with Youngstown state and he did less than fair to midlan there with one good year of 19 -11 and finished with 58-119 record. The bigger question is why do you think he would be a good choice for an "under the microscope" coaching position like Kentucky?
 
Sean Miller is the only choice there is other than Brad Stevens and he isnt leaving the Celtics. Miller recruits at a very high level and is just as good a coach as Cal is. Miller doesn't get the talent Cal does, but hes very close. Being at UK may push Miller over the edge in terms of recruiting. Cal isn't leaving anyways, so who cares
 
Miller good as coach as Cal? Not right now, no way. Cal didnt have a whole hell of a lot talent at UMass and did more with that than what Miller has done with his. I do think he is on his way though, only in his 11th year of coaching.
 
I about went crazy watching the boring basketball we played under tubby for 10 years. Slow it down by 60% with half of the accomplishments and you have Bennett. No thanks.
 
Originally posted by CatPhight:
Let me know when he cracks a Final Four, let alone make it past a S-16 which he's only been to once.
who has only been to sweet 16 once?
 
Originally posted by AnarchoNeoLuddite:
Eddie Sutton may have been a drunk but he could coach circles around Gilliespie and OTS (3 final fours with 2 different schools and should have a had 4th with us).

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He may have been a drunk, he may have the only losing season at UK in the last 75 years, he may have gotten us on probation and brought the program as close to destruction as it has ever been but...
 
When people realize millers resume isn't HALF of what Matta's is, it's going to be funny. And Matta is at a football school, lmao. The two are nowhere close. Matta > Miller all day long. And as I said, Miller has the personality of Billy Gilllispie(well, maybe not that far ;))He's not a spotlight guy.

And what kind of idiot would put Payne/Antigua/Or ROBIC? On a kentucky coaching list? Are these rival fans posting this garbage?

They won't even be considered, and that's a guarantee.

Good grief.

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Catphight: "Let me know when he cracks a Final Four, let alone make it past a S-16 which he's only been to once."

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You got it, Miller has been to 3 Elite 8's already
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But I agree with others, Miller ain't coming to Kentucky, even if he's Cal's fam. He's recruiting at a top 3-5 clip in the nation, is the boss of the West, in a nice place to live, adjusted, getting paid, has the support, established roots and a culture there. Why leave when your biggest competition is Mark Few and Steve Alford? I put him at 0.01%, here or any other school.

Same with Bennett, that guy is so folksy and quiet, no way would he want this job! Like, it would probably be his worst nightmare.

When thinking of a successor, you have to think of fit first, not past success. Who fits the mold?

Honestly, the only coach who I think of with the bravado to follow Cal and who could absolutely crush it is Gregg F'n Marshall.






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Its VERY clear as somebody else on the first page already said. Obviously the millions we would offer almost every coach would look at us except probably the few coaches at established top tier programs making millions already like K, Roy, Self, Pitino, Donavan, Boheim, Izzo etc. You would almost certainly have to look for the traits of the most 2 recent coaches that satisfied the whole state and thats Cal and Pitino. I dont know how you would pin down a young Cal/Pitino type but thats why UK would hire a commite and pay them good to find that guy. Say Cal stays another 7 years in that time the landscape of college basketball could change and some name were NOT talking about could emerge and be the perfect next coach.

I really believe Cal THRIVES in this atmosphere and this is his final destination in the coaching carosel so i think hes at UK as long as his body and mind can take the pressure. I mean why in the world would he look elsewere even the NBA when hes already been fired there. Seen other coaches like Pitino try the NBA and get fired. Cal is a COLLEGE coach pure and simple. Hes already at the BEST job in college basketball, hand picks 5 star recruits, has a chance to win a national title almost every year, the whole state loves him, hes in the national spot light daily, etc, i could go on and on.
 
This topic is always interesting...

There are recruiters out there, there are guys who develop players well (usually over the course of few years and most of the time to fit their system), and there are fundamentals, x's and o's guys...

However, there are not a lot of folks who excel in all those areas like Cal...essentially he is it...won't be another...

So, the question becomes who and what will be best for the program post cal?...just as important, who and what will we the big blue nation have the most patience with?

I look at the History of this program and I see a pretty distinct pattern...

A coach, B coach, C coach...Rupp, Hall, Sutton...Pitino, Tubby, BCG...Currently on an A coach with Cal...

So we need to accept the fact that the A coach isn't out there, he is here right now, and that the best possible hire would be a B-B+ type of coach in comparison...and we would need to stick with him until the next A coach comes around, and to avoid a C hire...

Sean Miller, Anthony Bennett, Fred Hoiberg, Thad Matta, Brad Stevens, Anthony Grant, Shaka Smart, Jay Wright, Archie Miller...none of them Cal or even Pitino level...but all very good coaches in their own right...

Maybe the best route for continuity and consistency sake would be to promote from with in...Kenny Payne or go get a former Cal assistant with some HC experience in Orlando Antiqua...

Or do we gamble on Richard Pitino...he has a lot to learn...but has championship coaching in his blood, he's coached with his father and under Billy Donovan, and now is a HC in a power conference...so he has the pedigree and resume...he may be a stop or two away from doing it, but I think he will be hunting titles one day...would hate for it to be at Florida or Louisville...or IU...
 
Originally posted by truebluewildcat:

Maybe the best route for continuity and consistency sake would be to promote from with in...Kenny Payne or go get a former Cal assistant with some HC experience in Orlando Antiqua...

Or do we gamble on Richard Pitino...he has a lot to learn...but has championship coaching in his blood, he's coached with his father and under Billy Donovan, and now is a HC in a power conference...so he has the pedigree and resume...he may be a stop or two away from doing it, but I think he will be hunting titles one day...would hate for it to be at Florida or Louisville...or IU...
Parody, right?
 
^ I think you're looking at it wrong (respectfully of course). I think we have to think what coach would we be the best for post Cal? Who will be in a better position than they are currently if they take over for Cal?

Because when nabbing another successful coach who is already established and competing at a high level, it will take a lot to bring them over. And it's not just about the money. After a couple million every year, it just goes into savings and investments anyway. It has to come down to lifestyle, pace of the job, challenge, ego, wanting to uproot their family, having the energy to establish new contacts and roots with the community, taking on career risk (what if they fall flat?) etc. That's not easy here.

So I don't think of who and what will be the best for the program post Cal. What coach would benefit the most post Cal.

Thoughts?


PS - the way I see it, the ONLY threat in this world to Cal leaving is if that Cleveland coach gets fired, especially after this year, and especially after we win it all. I think Cal has the ego to want to prove the haters wrong and succeed at the highest level. It would be a great way to go out at Kentucky, and he'll be walking into coaching an all star team with Lebron, Irving, Love, etc. who already respect him and will listen to him. That would be very very tough to turn down IMO. That is the only threat I see.















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Sean miller lives in a great place? Ever been there? Didn't think so.

Anyway the "lives in place x" doesn't mean as much as some fans always make it out to. These coaches are anywhere they want to be in under 2 to 4 hours typically(in U.S.). You can always tell when you are talking to peope who don't fly

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Originally posted by W2R:
Flavor of the month. I agree he has been a good coach last two years


We as UK fans are so spoiled. After the train wreck of gillespie and the decade of mediocracy of tubby. Calipari came in here one his first season and started out 18-0 and has future NBA all stars in wall, cousins, bledsoe. M

Bennett was 15-16in his firs season and 16-15 in his Second


My point is most coaches at programs it takes time. Calipari was spontaneous combustion as soon as he arrived Could we as UK fans accept break even seasons for two years to get where Bennett is now. I don't believe so. I feel sorry for the next guy
Agree, we all feel for the next guy. Hopefully UK has learned it has to be someone with a proven, at least somewhat long career, and he MUST be able to handle the media. Maybe not love it like Cal, but at least embrace it. I just don't think UK can take a chance on an up-and-comer even if the guy turns out to the a HoF coach. With Cal now in his 6th season, much longer than many predicted, we're going to have to wonder after every season. Personally, I just can't see him staying beyond 10 years. We get 4 more and anything after that is gravy.
 
If I had to choose, I'd go with Brad Stevens.

1. Final Four experience that he had to have earned on his own by recruiting and developing talent at a school that will never be associated with the blue bloods of basketball

2. NBA experience (albeit its going to be a bad one but so was Cal's) and connections

3. Youth and drive.

My only concern would be the fishbowl and following in Cal's shadow - I'd give any coach about a 25% chance of success following Cal unless he was just a clone of Cal in how he ran the program - and there isn't a coach alive who has an ego humble enough that would allow him to do that.

As I said earlier - if the guy can't take a team to a final four on his own before he gets to UK , what makes you think he can while he is at UK?

If the guy can't talk to kids about what they want (the NBA) then what can he talk to them about?

McD's kids aren't coming to UK because of our weight room.

Get the wrong guy in here because he went to the sweet 16 at Acme Tech a couple of years in a row or landed a couple of recruits and it will be a slow spiral to mediocrity.
 
Another thing some of these post always over analyze is the infamous "too hard of a job. Happiness" BS that most people think matter. Dick Vitale is dead wrong. Notice he's no coach, and when he spouts the "happiness" nonsense remember one thing. dick couldn't cut it in coaching. Also, not many coaches turn down opportunities to coach at a place like UK. Billy Donovan turned it down, but flirted HEAVILY with this job, TWICE, coming off of Back to back titles. Lol. Not only that, but he was actually in a position of taking the job, after all that, with a family that didn't want to move. That's how powerful this position is.

NONE of these coaches would turn down UK.

MILLER
MATTA
BENNETT
ETC.....

These are guys that COMPETE. To COMPETE at the HIGHEST LEVEL on the BEST STAGE in an honor to real deal coaches. It's what they do this damn job for in the first place. Kentucky's program is a game changer. It shouldn't be taken lightly. For every coach who would say "no thanks", there's 50 waiting by that phone just like cal did to see if UK is going to call.

I do not believe this job is as impossible as many thing. It's become like a mob mentailty. If I told you, at your new job, that I was going to give you the following tools to succeed:

1. Best support in the profession.
2. Best management in the profession
3. Best pay in the profession
4. Most recourses in the profession
5. Best background and history in profession.

Are you scared and tempted to "just stay at average job?"

Being at UK is an honor is this sport. These guys want -^^ those things listed.
 
I don't get the Brad Stevens thing. He reminds me of Bennett. And unless he's forced out at Boston, why would he come back to College, especially when Duke and/or Indiana will be opening up soon. That's a bad fit IMO on his end, not Kentucky's.

The hardest part about Kentucky and Duke is what's the upside of following Cal and K?







Are you going to exceed their performance? Not likely

Are you going to meet their performance? Not likely

Are you going to be slightly below their performance? Hopefully

Are you going to be a nice gap below their performance? Probably

Are you going to bomb and be run out of town? Maybe
I think you can make the case that Kansas and UNC will be much easier to hire because they aren't performing at our level. That's why for good programs, it might be easier to hire a Grade A coach is when the program is in disarray because there is much more upside.

Okay, last thing that I don't see brought up much. What makes you think that the next coach will want to be a One and Done factory like Cal has. That's his system. The next coach's system will NOT recruit like Cal, and probably won't want to because of the special personality it takes to make it work. The people have to be okay with a different kind of talent than what we've been spoiled with.




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Originally posted by DDS62:
If or when Cal leaves it is going to be a sad day for Kentucky fans. Like in kind to a big family loosing their Mom or Dad. Maybe there is some coach that will be able to keep the ship afloat for awhile like Joe B did after we lost Adolph and maybe another JA like Pitino that will emerge to make a splash for his own ego needs, but in general there is no coach out their that right now who can replace Cal. Let's hope that changes by the time he wants to step down. And don't forget the next time Barnhart alone will make the decision of who gets that job - now isn't that a reassuring thought.
I'm guessing either Barnhart won't be here when they are looking for another coach, or they have some help like when they hired Calipari. Not going to have a repeat of the mess that happened when they hired Gillespie.
 
Originally posted by BBCatsExile:

I don't get the Brad Stevens thing. He reminds me of Bennett. And unless he's forced out at Boston, why would he come back to College, especially when Duke and/or Indiana will be opening up soon. That's a bad fit IMO on his end, not Kentucky's.

The hardest part about Kentucky and Duke is what's the upside of following Cal and K?






Are you going to exceed their performance? Not likely
Are you going to meet their performance? Not likely
Are you going to be slightly below their performance? Hopefully
Are you going to be a nice gap below their performance? Probably
Are you going to bomb and be run out of town? Maybe
I think you can make the case that Kansas and UNC will be much easier to hire because they aren't performing at our level. That's why for good programs, it might be easier to hire a Grade A coach is when the program is in disarray because there is much more upside.

Okay, last thing that I don't see brought up much. What makes you think that the next coach will want to be a One and Done factory like Cal has. That's his system. The next coach's system will NOT recruit like Cal, and probably won't want to because of the special personality it takes to make it work. The people have to be okay with a different kind of talent than what we've been spoiled with.


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Like I said, I doubt any coach that has the brass ones big enough to follow Cal is going to come in and think he has to be a Cal clone

and he'll fail - because the people -- being the fans - won't be ok with the different kind of talent than what we've been spoiled with.

After the Gillispie fiasco - and with Cal coming in hitting the road running - few fans are going to tolerate any kind of rebuilding talk, taking on "project" kids or starting 3 star athletes that play for 3 years but don't really dominate until their 4th.

That may actually happen with the next coach, but I can promise you the fans aren't going to tolerate it. It will get ugly.

So why would I say Brad Stevens - it has nothing to do with the style of play he'd implement, it has everything to do with him understanding what he has to do to succeed. And of course that's assuming he's available in 3 or 4 years after Cal drops the mic and goes on to whatever else he wants to do.

I feel for any guy coming in after Cal, but if any of them think the fans will give them time to build the program their way, they are a damn fool. They walk in that door and hit the ground running or its just going to be misery.

Tubby Smith won a national championship his first year following Pitino- and he started losing fans 3 years removed from it.


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That's the enchilada right there. What fool would follow Cal? I'll tell you right now, it won't be Stevens, and it won't be Bennett, or Miller. They are no fools. They know more than we do. Will they want to fail? I don't think so. Not at their stage in their career.

My hope is Cal starts putting together a succession plan, like now.

If he doesn't and bolts, like this season, that wouldn't be a good look IMO.


But the question remains, who? shoot, let's just enjoy the present LOL

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Not just no but, HELL NO to Shaka Smart. Too big of a gamble. He runs a very hectic, loose style that can pay dividends or it can bit his team in the butt. Plus, no real recruiting success that I'm aware of. Jay Wright is a decent coach but, his teams are rarely balanced. He usually has good guards, average bigs and a thin bench. I'll pass on him as well.
Sean Miller would seem to be the most likely target. If you like Cal and his "give me the best talent available" approach, you'll like Miller. If getting the best talent isn't important then, go after Brad Stevens or Bennett.
I'll get destroyed for this but, I wouldn't mind seeing Gregg Marshall get a look. He does pretty well with only slightly above average talent.
 
Gonna have to find a coach that fits the Rupp/Cal mold. Compare Rupp and Cal, you will see they are quite similar.

Big Ego, very confident in their ability, even cocky to a point(and backs it up).Loves to be on center stage.Great Leader/Motivator.Thick Skinned.High bball IQ and not afraid to try new things.Strives for perfection(hates to lose).

Find a coach that has those qualities and you have a replacement for Cal.
 
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