I Can't Imagine Stoops Leaving Now

[Jont0805]

Again, can you name a point when UK invested this much?

Can you name a coach who had this much at his disposal?

Then they are why we will never reach our potential as a program. Hopefully they find a new program to hinder.

Who claimed we needed to annually contend? Wouldn't it be nice to occasionally though? Even once?

Considering he has been here a decade and we haven't made it a full season ranked, why would that suddenly change under Stoops?

Then what is the point in having a program or investing in it? Seems pretty pointless and wasteful to spend 50 million in a hc salary to be a music city bowl or belk bowl contender.

I would rather just invest into other sports if those are the only options.

I hope none of you all are athletic directors.

From your earlier post:

“Stoops, but I think he has peaked and we are likely going to struggle to maintain 10-2 or 9-3 type seasons going forward.”

The original question is why you think a coach’s floor is to maintain a 9-10 win regular season when that has never been done at Kentucky?

I agree that more has been invested more in this program than ever before, but it still is a fraction of what 12/14 spend, soon to be 14/16 in the SEC. Just because we are spending more money than ever before doesn’t automatically mean Kentucky is going to be a top program.

Our AD had given out two of the worst contracts in college sports history, that we can agree on.

Maybe I’m just a loser fan However as a lifelong UK football fan watching 2 win seasons and routine beat downs in conference the idea of making a bowl game every year and finishing in the top 15 every once in a while I think is great.

I hope one day you look back and Kentucky is routinely in the top 10 and you can say,

“See man, I told you so!”

If that happens we can meet up at the playoff and I will buy you a $20 beer lol.

 

[LexitonianCat]

From your earlier post:

“Stoops, but I think he has peaked and we are likely going to struggle to maintain 10-2 or 9-3 type seasons going forward.”

The original question is why you think a coach’s floor is to maintain a 9-10 win regular season when that has never been done at Kentucky?

I agree that more has been invested more in this program than ever before, but it still is a fraction of what 12/14 spend, soon to be 14/16 in the SEC. Just because we are spending more money than ever before doesn’t automatically mean Kentucky is going to be a top program.

Our AD had given out two of the worst contracts in college sports history, that we can agree on.

Maybe I’m just a loser fan However as a lifelong UK football fan watching 2 win seasons and routine beat downs in conference the idea of making a bowl game every year and finishing in the top 15 every once in a while I think is great.

I hope one day you look back and Kentucky is routinely in the top 10 and you can say,

“See man, I told you so!”

If that happens we can meet up at the playoff and I will buy you a $20 beer lol.

Correct. I didn't say that was the expectation every season though.

Why wouldn't the expectations be higher with significantly more money injected into the program for a decade? Why do you not?

We are spending very on par with a lot of them. What is Stoops salary compared to the other SEC coaches.

Yea, if that is the best you want, that is what is wrong. Strive for more!

We could be with the right AD.

 

[Jont0805]

Correct. I didn't say that was the expectation every season though.

Why wouldn't the expectations be higher with significantly more money injected into the program for a decade? Why do you not?

We are spending very on par with a lot of them. What is Stoops salary compared to the other SEC coaches.

Yea, if that is the best you want, that is what is wrong. Strive for more!

We could be with the right AD.

I think the expectations are higher now than they have ever been. Expectations used to be beat Indiana, beat vandy (whoops this year!) compete with Louisville and maybe steal an sec game to get 4-5 wins. A bowl was a 3-4 year process of getting young guys and by their senior year we could maybe win 6.

Now we have fans calling for a guy’s head who has been to a bowl game what 7 years in a row and won 4 in a row?

I think the expectations are much higher now. Maybe they are not high enough compared to our budget, but who knows.

For that matter Calipari should have been gone several years ago but he is still here. I will give him credit though he gives fans the belief we can win a title, with stoops our ceiling is definitely 9 regular season wins and a bowl win.

If you haven’t figured it out I am happy with that!

In regards to other schools I don’t know but I doubt many spend less than Kentucky outside of Vandy, but I could be wrong, I am a lot.

 

[catben]

We aren't in the SEC so I don't lose any sleep over that. In the end, we have a chance for a second straight division title this year; despite the offense.

And despite this offense we are 69-29 since 2015. Does that make you angry?

I don’t really care what the University of Iowa does. But you came to our board to beat the drum for an Iowa alum and I just gave you the reasons why Coach Stoops could make your fan base happy while UK’s fans need WAAAYYY more out of him to win at a level Iowa has in an INFERIOR league in the INFERIOR division.

 

[LexitonianCat]

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I think the expectations are higher now than they have ever been. Expectations used to be beat Indiana, beat vandy (whoops this year!) compete with Louisville and maybe steal an sec game to get 4-5 wins. A bowl was a 3-4 year process of getting young guys and by their senior year we could maybe win 6.

Now we have fans calling for a guy’s head who has been to a bowl game what 7 years in a row and won 4 in a row?

I think the expectations are much higher now. Maybe they are not high enough compared to our budget, but who knows.

For that matter Calipari should have been gone several years ago but he is still here. I will give him credit though he gives fans the belief we can win a title, with stoops our ceiling is definitely 9 regular season wins and a bowl win.

If you haven’t figured it out I am happy with that!

In regards to other schools I don’t know but I doubt many spend less than Kentucky outside of Vandy, but I could be wrong, I am a lot.

This just more of the excuses. We were bad before so we should never expect to be good. Blah, blah, blah. As I said, it's the exact mentality that has kept us irrelevant and will continue to do so.

Cal won a title, was a runner-up and had 4 final fours. Even the years we didn't make it as far, we were at least contenders. But we have had fans calling for his job for about 5 years now. Rightfully so.

So you don't know but you spout like you're for sure.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I love how some fans are so concerned about him leaving when he’s not had 1 solid offer to leave since he’s been here. He has the best job in college football, win 7 games get another year added onto your contract while also making $7million a year.

He’s made almost $50million at UK, Would any other AD be dumb enough to pay him that much? Probably not.

Well the one at Mich St hired Mel Tucker and gave him 9.5m a year for 10 years, that is pretty high on the dumb list imo.

 

[frydaze]

I don’t really care what the University of Iowa does. But you came to our board to beat the drum for an Iowa alum and I just gave you the reasons why Coach Stoops could make your fan base happy while UK’s fans need WAAAYYY more out of him to win at a level Iowa has in an INFERIOR league in the INFERIOR division.

Let's see how smart you are........how much WAAAAYYYYY more out of Stoops do you need? Specify please or you just going to be one of those loud Tavern Cats hollering that he's unhappy but doesn't even know what he's unhappy about?

 

[Jont0805]

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This just more of the excuses. We were bad before so we should never expect to be good. Blah, blah, blah. As I said, it's the exact mentality that has kept us irrelevant and will continue to do so.

Cal won a title, was a runner-up and had 4 final fours. Even the years we didn't make it as far, we were at least contenders. But we have had fans calling for his job for about 5 years now. Rightfully so.

So you don't know but you spout like you're for sure.

I don’t have to know the exact numbers to state the obvious that Kentucky doesn’t spend as much on football as other SEC schools just like it’s common sense and knowledge that none of them spend money like Kentucky does in basketball, but since I have time today here you go:

-Alabama $59 million (coach $11 mil)

-Auburn $52 million (coach 5 mill, but 15 mill buy out to pay)

-Tennessee $46 million (coach 5 million)

-South Carolina $44 million (coach $3 million)

-ole miss $38 million (coach $7 mill)

-Texas A/M $37 million (coach $9 mill)

-Georgia $36 million (coach $10 mill)

-Arkansas $34 million (coach $6 mill)

-Lsu $31 million (coach $10 mill)

-Florida $30 million (coach $7 million)

UK about $25 million (coach $7 mill)

-Missouri $24 million (coach 4 million, allegedly Moving up to $6)

-Mississippi State $23 million (coach 6 mill)

-Vanderbilt undisclosed

So Kentucky is 11th in spending for football, does that mean any season above 11th in the SEC is a success?

When did I ever say we should not expect to be good, I would say we are “good” and have been for several years.

I think we are just confused. My understanding is that you think “good” means 10 wins but to me “good” means make a bowl every year.

 

[catben]

Let's see how smart you are........how much WAAAAYYYYY more out of Stoops do you need? Specify please or you just going to be one of those loud Tavern Cats hollering that he's unhappy but doesn't even know what he's unhappy about?

I’ll give you 2 things:

-Stop committing DUMB MISTAKES. Penalties at crucial times, turnovers, horrible special teams , repeated blown assignments and very little attention to detail all after 10 years here.

-Putting the clamps on offense. Very little innovation or realization of the fact that in the SEC, you must score in the 30’s to win at a level Coach Stoops himself aspires to reach.

I gather that you are a cornfield Hawkeye fan that is satisfied with whatever your being fed.

 

[Cefiro]

Well hiring cohen, was set to hire Lincoln Riley, think he has shown the desire to do what you are asking.

This may be the worst hire since Billy G in Kentucky sports at offensive coordinator. If stoops sticks with him I am fine with everyone that thinks we can do better, because his offense with the talent next year is a 2 win team.

Also I agree on Saban, he changed up and decided to win big he needs points, I disagree on Smart and I think the Georgia fan that posts on here a lot would say the same thing.

The only difference between smart and stoops is about 40-50 five and four star players. They are the same coach game wise.

If stoops had that level talent he would look more like smart than he would Calipari.

Not true, Stoops is disorganized and constantly makes the wrong decision. Aggressive when he should be conservative and conservative when he should be aggressive. Heck, we punted from the 50 yard line against Vandy on 4th and short.

 

[LexitonianCat]

I don’t have to know the exact numbers to state the obvious that Kentucky doesn’t spend as much on football as other SEC schools just like it’s common sense and knowledge that none of them spend money like Kentucky does in basketball, but since I have time today here you go:

-Alabama $59 million (coach $11 mil)

-Auburn $52 million (coach 5 mill, but 15 mill buy out to pay)

-Tennessee $46 million (coach 5 million)

-South Carolina $44 million (coach $3 million)

-ole miss $38 million (coach $7 mill)

-Texas A/M $37 million (coach $9 mill)

-Georgia $36 million (coach $10 mill)

-Arkansas $34 million (coach $6 mill)

-Lsu $31 million (coach $10 mill)

-Florida $30 million (coach $7 million)

UK about $25 million (coach $7 mill)

-Missouri $24 million (coach 4 million, allegedly Moving up to $6)

-Mississippi State $23 million (coach 6 mill)

-Vanderbilt undisclosed

So Kentucky is 11th in spending for football, does that mean any season above 11th in the SEC is a success?

When did I ever say we should not expect to be good, I would say we are “good” and have been for several years.

I think we are just confused. My understanding is that you think “good” means 10 wins but to me “good” means make a bowl every year.

What source are you using for these numbers?

I also find it disturbing that we lost to Vandy and USC whose coaches are paid considerably less than UK. Then we got our ass kicked by TENN and Heupel makes 2 million less. Plus he is contending for a playoff spot in year 2.

I honestly don't think we would beat Auburn or Ark and their coaches makes less than we pay. Mizzou came damn close and their coach makes less. Ole miss pays similar to us and seems way better.

We sure don't seem to be getting a value when it comes to Stoops.

 

[Jont0805]

Not true, Stoops is disorganized and constantly makes the wrong decision. Aggressive when he should be conservative and conservative when he should be aggressive. Heck, we punted from the 50 yard line against Vandy on 4th and short.

That may be the case more often than not in the stoops era I agree, still better off than we were pre stoops.

-Also what about the ole miss game?

Aggressive, at the 5 yard line in Chris Rodriguez first game back we call a pass, penalty, call another pass, sack fumble. A conservative approach leads to a win there

-South Carolina first play aggressive and border line stupid, team had no chance after that, we play old school “stoops ball” and that’s a grind it out toss up game

-miss state game, had several chances to punt on fourth but were more aggressive and got it, resulting in a win


These three games would have been 2-1 instead of 1-2 in my opinion had stoops team played like they did the first several years.

-vandy game that punt showed we had no intentions of winning that game I agree with that being bad.

 

[Jont0805]

What source are you using for these numbers?

I also find it disturbing that we lost to Vandy and USC whose coaches are paid considerably less than UK. Then we got our ass kicked by TENN and Heupel makes 2 million less. Plus he is contending for a playoff spot in year 2.

I honestly don't think we would beat Auburn or Ark and their coaches makes less than we pay. Mizzou came damn close and their coach makes less. Ole miss pays similar to us and seems way better.

We sure don't seem to be getting a value when it comes to Stoops.

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But Stoops is also getting the most value out of the institutions investment in the program, you can’t have it both ways. Maybe we are over paying stoops in comparison to other coaches, but if we matched other budgets and doubles the spending would it make a difference?

Just thank God you are not an Texas A/M fan. All that money, number one recruiting class and no bowl.

Furthermore you find this year and the losses so disturbing but what about the last few years.

Last 7 seasons record:

VS SOUTH Carolina 5-2
VS Missouri 6-1
VS Vandy 6-1

Sucks to lose games they shouldn’t but perspective helps.

However next year doesn’t look good unless something big changes I will give you that!

 

[LexitonianCat]

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But Stoops is also getting the most value out of the institutions investment in the program, you can’t have it both ways. Maybe we are over paying stoops in comparison to other coaches, but if we matched other budgets and doubles the spending would it make a difference?

Just thank God you are not an Texas A/M fan. All that money, number one recruiting class and no bowl.

Furthermore you find this year and the losses so disturbing but what about the last few years.

Last 7 seasons record:

VS SOUTH Carolina 5-2
VS Missouri 6-1
VS Vandy 6-1

Sucks to lose games they shouldn’t but perspective helps.

However next year doesn’t look good unless something big changes I will give you that!

Stoops is getting all the value it seems. Fans sure aren't getting shit.

That just proves why we desperately need a new AD. That is a priority before a new HC. I don't even trust Barnhart to make a good hire, let alone give them adequate resources.

Those are shit teams. I am not all impressed or encouraged by beating them. Hell, 2 of the 3 beat us this year. The other came damn close. Vandy had not won a conference game in years.

The perspective is we suck in year 10. We are going to have to fire and hire a new OC. Our 4th in 4 years and 6th in 10. We honestly need all new coaches on offense. We could use some help on D, particularly the D line. We need a special teams coach. And after this past week, our already poor recruiting class is about to lose some recruits.

So what happens after next year? Do we just keep giving him 1 more?

 

[Jont0805]

Stoops is getting all the value it seems. Fans sure aren't getting shit.

That just proves why we desperately need a new AD. That is a priority before a new HC. I don't even trust Barnhart to make a good hire, let alone give them adequate resources.

Those are shit teams. I am not all impressed or encouraged by beating them. Hell, 2 of the 3 beat us this year. The other came damn close. Vandy had not won a conference game in years.

The perspective is we suck in year 10. We are going to have to fire and hire a new OC. Our 4th in 4 years and 6th in 10. We honestly need all new coaches on offense. We could use some help on D, particularly the D line. We need a special teams coach. And after this past week, our already poor recruiting class is about to lose some recruits.

So what happens after next year? Do we just keep giving him 1 more?

Well I don’t think we are going to do anything but argue the same points back to each other for all of eternity.

I hope stoops stays 10 more years and wins a lot, but if he doesn’t I hope the next guy takes the foundation laid and improves upon it and doesn’t crumble it to the ground like has happened every other time Kentucky football tried to become relevant.

 

[3632]

I don’t have to know the exact numbers to state the obvious that Kentucky doesn’t spend as much on football as other SEC schools just like it’s common sense and knowledge that none of them spend money like Kentucky does in basketball, but since I have time today here you go:

-Alabama $59 million (coach $11 mil)

-Auburn $52 million (coach 5 mill, but 15 mill buy out to pay)

-Tennessee $46 million (coach 5 million)

-South Carolina $44 million (coach $3 million)

-ole miss $38 million (coach $7 mill)

-Texas A/M $37 million (coach $9 mill)

-Georgia $36 million (coach $10 mill)

-Arkansas $34 million (coach $6 mill)

-Lsu $31 million (coach $10 mill)

-Florida $30 million (coach $7 million)

UK about $25 million (coach $7 mill)

-Missouri $24 million (coach 4 million, allegedly Moving up to $6)

-Mississippi State $23 million (coach 6 mill)

-Vanderbilt undisclosed

So Kentucky is 11th in spending for football, does that mean any season above 11th in the SEC is a success?

When did I ever say we should not expect to be good, I would say we are “good” and have been for several years.

I think we are just confused. My understanding is that you think “good” means 10 wins but to me “good” means make a bowl every year.

Couple of noticeable gaps in dept rev vs spend on football….sc is 8th in rev/4th in spend. Ole Miss 11th in rev/5th in spend. UT 7th in rev/3rd in spend. Auburn 6 in rev/2 in spend. Those are schools that put a premium on the sport. A&M is 1 in rev but 5 in spend. Most others are within a couple of spots of revenue. UK is 9 in rev/11 in spend so they underspend a bit.

 

[Freetaxreturn]

Thank you guys 🍺

 

[IFerg1969]

I think we are positioned well to keep Stoops!

With the vast majority of the fanbase being giddy over 6-6, 7-5 seasons, I believe you are correct.

 

[BlueRunner11]

Stoops has been gone since some time between Miss St and UT games.

 

[MTsandfly]

I truly believe Stoops would be happier in the B1G. Seems to like that run, run, run style of many of those teams. I don’t think he knows how to best use a throwing QB. The problem is finding a proven Coach, who can win here and who wants to come here. With our NIL situation and our AD, what do we have to offer a proven Coach (with no baggage)?