Yeah for sure. Winning cures all. All the bitching and moaning is because we aren't winning at a high enough clip.
I’m choosing to support Cal, and here’s why
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I could not have summed it up better.
After Wisconsin, I thought he’d never win another one. After 9-16 and St. Peter’s, I began to feel that even if he DID win another one, it still wouldn’t make up for all the heartbreaking losses we’ve endured on his watch.
But if I step back and really look at the big picture, I realize that’s BS. I would be happy as a pig in $#!+, and it would absolutely exorcise ALL the demons. However unlikely that may be, the mere fact that possibility still exists makes me want to root for the guy.
Made your first post 4 minutes after my post, and calling me a drunk. We have a serious Mod problem.
More I think of it, the more pissed I get. Y’all want to ban my ass, have a field day. Want to do the right thing? Edit scrum. Do your job.
As you complain about him about him using his first amendment to express his disdain for them doing what they did.
You can disagree with something and agree they have the right to do it. Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should.
It’s lead belly. They’ve been pretty active in banning his accounts. I don’t think they can keep up. The dude has problem.
Don’t see why they can’t figure it out. It’s ruined this site. I respect the mods, but you sighned up for this. Jed, you asked me a question and I answered honestly. Why do you do this? Go squirrel hunting. Or fishing. Can’t be worth it.
Lol, what?
That's not me. Contrary to what you morons think, not every poster is leadbelly.
Lol do you think we’d be winning with a coach and players that agree with your beliefs.
Lmao think we’re having trouble now. Any 18-22 year old that thinks like you is no good at basketball I guarantee.
I finally just hit ignore the first time I see that guy post under another name. He is easy to spot.
I'm not arguing against a right they have, though. Whether I agree with them is irrelevant. Similarly to whether I agree with school prayer or not, it's still others rights to do it.
Agree. Just had my fill I guess. There’s a couple good mods here, so I should really apologize. As for the rest, i got nothing.
Talking shit about the founder of our program isn’t silent, and without evidence it’s even worse. That’s slander.
This ☝. If this was football and we were Notre Dame or Florida, we’d be on our 3rd coach in 6 years.
Tubby never performed well out side of 98 and 03. Cal had a .811 win percentage his first decade at UK along with 1 NC, 1 Runner up, 4 FFs and 7 EEs. Cal outperformed Tubby and it’s not even close. The only other coach in the modern era to match Cals performance in those 10 years is Pitino. Their record and numbers are nearly identical all around at UK. Those are facts.
Sure. That was Brooks and he was clearly not fully informed to the point he acknowledged it when he made his statement. It was a dumb moment on his part, I agree. But the whole team didn’t do that and Brooks is gone. I was addressing the comments made by the other guy that mentioned kneeling specifically.
You point to simple math, but also acknowledge the current trajectory. Probably should look at the math since 2015 debacle and draw different conclusions.
Or maybe an analogy is in order.
The first half of your marriage was great. Sex was good and frequent. Loved spending time together. Tons of chemistry. But in recent years, your wife slept with some other dudes, flirts with dudes even when you’re in the same room, and she’s 100lbs heavier than when you married her. You sticking with her like you’re sticking with Cal?
Those numbers look great until you dig deeper to look at the trend line. It doesn't take a mathematician to determine that this team has been trending downward for years. The only reason Cal's numbers continue to look good is because his success was front loaded by his early adoption of the ONDs. Initially, he was the only one willing to take them which allowed him to almost get whomever he wanted. When evaluating him based on the talent he had, it is obvious he underachieved. Getting whomever he wanted ended when Coach K joined the party and kicked Cal's butt at his on game. The last three seasons have been an embarrassment without any reason to believe things are changing. If you are hanging your hopes on next year's class of recruits, you are setting yourself up for disappointment. It will start and end with this board singling out a couple of players to trash while stating that these players are not UK caliber as the reason for another Cal failure. This team's problem is coaching and not the lack of talent.
If the OP evaluated stocks the way he does coaches, he would be penniless. As with stocks, don't fall in love with your coach so that you are capable of fairly evaluating their performance so that you can unload them before they bottom out. The worst thing to do is double down on a losing trend.
The OP is hoping that the board is too stupid to realize that the numbers he flaunts are meaningless when considering Cal's performance over the last 6-8 years. Cal's last 6-8 years are as dramatically different from his first 6 years as his waist size over the same period.
You seem to be enamored with case law. I guess you’re a Dred Scott and Jim Crow fan as well, eh?
If his response is no clearer than the post you responded to, you will never understand what he thinks?
"Any 18-22 year old that thinks like you is no good at basketball I guarantee."
Wow.....talk about bias. You presume a conservative kid, and let's say it.....white.....can't be good at bball. Further, you're saying a black kid cannot be conservative.
Thanks for playing the race card.
But we have to look at the entire body of work.
When Pitino came the program was in shambles. When he left it was the Gold Standard.
When Tubby came we were the Gold Standard but then in his last years we had fallen from that lofty perch.
No need to discuss BCG.
When Cal came the program was teetering, but he rebuilt it to the Gold Standard at least through 2015. Since then UK has been on a downward trajectory.
We don't if Cal can right the ship though. Time will tell.
The only thing that would have accomplished is giving opposing coaches material to recruit against us. Like it or not, that was not the time to address it. On the heels of George Floyd, it would have just reinforced stereotypes about the program and probably caused irreparable damage to the program.
Floyd happened May, 2020.
Kentucky players knelt on the road at flurida February 2021. Not at Rupp Arena. Not at the beginning of the season. Their kneeling was more about what happened in DC in January 2021....not Floyd.
Cal went on to say this after the event.
"They're 18 years old," he told reporters. "They're learning. These kids are good kids. They've got good hearts. This political time, probably not a real good time to do it."
I'm choosing not to support cal because of the stuff the op isn't ok with.
Siding with cal or supporting him because of a few historical percentages
is pretty goofy imho.
And to the kneeling stuff, I'm actually kinda glad they did it as it gives clarification of who's side those "players at the time" and coaches were on.
I like clarity and that was a clarifying moment
Siding with cal or supporting him because of a few historical percentages
is pretty goofy imho.
And to the kneeling stuff, I'm actually kinda glad they did it as it gives clarification of who's side those "players at the time" and coaches were on.
I like clarity and that was a clarifying moment
You can argue whatever you want. Cal calls him out and we never recover. The media pile on would have been overwhelming. Brooks statements were over the summer. The kneeling happened the following winter when they were actually playing basketball right?
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I'm arguing you don't know the facts of the situation.
"The Kentucky players said they discussed their decision to kneel with Calipari before Saturday’s game at Florida. The gesture, an increasingly common statement of support for social justice measures by athletes, was inspired in part by the mob attack on the U.S. Capitol last week in Washington, the players said, and so when Calipari summoned several of them to ask what they had planned, they asked him and the rest of the coaches to join them."
And you took a minor point and made it the focus:
“ Isaiah Jackson echoed Sarr's statements, saying the team wanted to kneel to continue to push for equality in the U.S. Jackson mentioned the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol Wednesday, pointing to seeing a noose during the rally.
"This is a great country," Jackson said. "It's just, we feel like minorities don't have equal rights as everybody else."
Jackson said the team will continue blocking out any noise as they move forward, aware that people might react to their decisions in different ways. Before the season began, Kentucky players participated in a video asking fans to join them in pushing for change in racial injustice.”
Nooses might trigger some people. But I’m sure you’re a PR genius and it all would have worked out great if Cal operated the way you wish he had.
"It's just, we feel like minorities don't have equal rights as everybody else."
A total BS statement showing how the woke agenda has saturated the minds of kids. UK Bball players live in the most priviledged country in the world. They enjoy benefits because of their privilege you and I never will. On average they will make more money than you and I. If they're hurt they get the best medical care available. They don't have to worry about meals.
They can even take a knee and disrespect the very flag that represents the many who have fought and died for their privilege to kneel.
Until they've attended a military funeral when the surviving family is presented a flag honoring the fallen member of the military and hear the words...."On behalf of the President of the United States, [the United States Army, the United States Marine Corps, the United States Navy or the United States Air Force] and a grateful nation, please accept this flag as a symbol of our appreciation for your loved one's honorable and faithful service.,”, they can pound sand.
Spare me the woke crying.
I get you care about the country, but those kids are part of that country too. They care too. You just disagree with them. You don’t have some extra claim to the country because you’ve been to a military funeral regardless of your feelings and emotions. I agree with parts of what you are saying but I think other parts are way off base. And that’s the beauty of this country is we are both free to disagree. But there is nothing woke about minority kids not wanting to experience racism and racist treatment by law enforcement. And if you don’t think that happens you are not paying attention or are intentionally ignoring it.
The issue with the racism discussion is it's all one way. Only whites are racist. That's what's being drilled into the minds of kids today. Black kids are given something called the "talk". Already they're being programed from an early age that whitey is out to get them.
It's reinforced in black churches...schools, the naacp, jesse jackson, al sharpton, etc.
My kids heard this in high school. My pasty white daughter experienced it in high school. The Indian kids didn't think she was capable of being smarter than they were. She proved them wrong. In an academic bowl she was the only kid on her team to show up one day. She beat five Indian kids. They were ticked this pasty white girl beat all of them.
"But there is nothing woke about minority kids not wanting to experience racism and racist treatment by law enforcement."
You've bought into the narrative without examining the facts. Police are not hunting down black kids to harass them as some claim. I reject that argument. Is it entirely possible black kids are interacting with police more because they are breaking the law more?
If you look at FBI crime stats black youths under 25 commit a disproportionate number of crimes in this country. When I watch local news I see an awful lot of black kids in crime segments. And I don't buy it's the station driving this when the anchors are majority minority.
Seeing how a lot of this started with Floyd let's ask what got the cops involved with him to begin with? He wasn't an innocent standing on the corner minding his business and all of a sudden the cops show up and throw him to the ground. Nope.
I watched the ATL descend into utter chaos in 2020 when the black mayor threw her PD under the bus. There seemed to be issues every night in town. Even black cops trying to do their jobs were tossed under the bus.
And now what we're seeing is if any police action is against a black it's deemed racist.
Remember the movie White Guys can't Jump? What if a movie was made Black Guys can't swim?
We're balkenzing as a country....rapidly. We know have a black national anthem being sung at the stuporbowl. Wonder how long before it is demanded it be sung at other sporting events.
We've got to figure out how to come together. Kneeling during the National Anthem and tearing down the history of this country isn't how to do it.
We're not a perfect country. No way. But I'll take the US any day of the week compared to anywhere else.
It seems like your idea of coming together is everybody has to agree with you and your pint of view. This is the way the right is the same as the left. You both just want people to agree with you. Find the common ground and accept that people have different experiences. You clearly have not had the same experience as a minority in an urban environment the same way they haven’t been through what you’ve been through. That inability to see other people’s side is the problem with the country right now. Not that it’s too woke or too racist.
