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How Much Longer Will ESPN Spout This Duke Has #1 2015 Class Nonsense??

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It was neck and neck for the best class of 2015 between Duke and UK BEFORE we added Murray (a top 5 recruit). Now we add Humphries (a top 30ish player in the loaded 2016 class). He is a borderline 5* for 2015. And we may still add top 35 Wynyard to THIS class.

That makes it a runaway. And YES it matters. ESPN is on this kick that Coach K has somehow eclipsed Cal as the premier recruiter in the nation. They had Duke's class #1 last year and I still think UK's was better. 2016 has yet to be decided but Cal may get his best group ever.

Darryl
 
It was neck and neck for the best class of 2015 between Duke and UK BEFORE we added Murray (a top 5 recruit). Now we add Humphries (a top 30ish player in the loaded 2016 class). He is a borderline 5* for 2015. And we may still add top 35 Wynyard to THIS class.

That makes it a runaway. And YES it matters. ESPN is on this kick that Coach K has somehow eclipsed Cal as the premier recruiter in the nation. They had Duke's class #1 last year and I still think UK's was better. 2016 has yet to be decided but Cal may get his best group ever.

Darryl

I would rank KY's # 1 based on the late additions but you won't convince me that any class last year was better than Jones/Okafor/Winslow/Allen.
 
I would rank KY's # 1 based on the late additions but you won't convince me that any class last year was better than Jones/Okafor/Winslow/Allen.
Duke had the #1 class last year. I have no problem conceding to that. However I believe w/o question UK takes the top class for 2015.
 
Ya'll can have the #1 recruiting class title. I just hope Duke's 5-star players live up to their rankings.
 
[QUOTkybassfan, post: 2123727, member: 13950"]This matters why?[/QUOTE]

Yep, I don't really care and not sure why so many give it that much attention. I love our class, wouldn't swap it for another and am so excited for the season to start. That's all that matters to me, no reward for having #1 class vs #2 class. End result is what really matters and I like our chances as good as anyone's.
 
It was neck and neck for the best class of 2015 between Duke and UK BEFORE we added Murray (a top 5 recruit). Now we add Humphries (a top 30ish player in the loaded 2016 class). He is a borderline 5* for 2015. And we may still add top 35 Wynyard to THIS class.

That makes it a runaway. And YES it matters. ESPN is on this kick that Coach K has somehow eclipsed Cal as the premier recruiter in the nation. They had Duke's class #1 last year and I still think UK's was better. 2016 has yet to be decided but Cal may get his best group ever.

Darryl
I can't speak for ESPN, since I don't know their rankings and their site has become a pain to use. The consensus #1 class has pretty much been set in stone since most services were done with recruiting for the year before Murray even committed. Even if they updated it, you're assuming he'd be consensus top 5. Even then, they still have 4 five stars to our 3. I don't think Humphries and Matthews make up that difference. We'll see I guess.
 
Can someone rundown the recruits of each, side-by-side. I know Duke has some lowly recruit coming in. Also is a Mulder considered a recruit?

Here is the aggregate scores of recruits:

https://sites.google.com/site/rscihoops/2015-final

Please note that this does NOT include Murray, Mulder, or Humpries... also doesn't include Duke's 3-star recruits Vrankovic and Robinson.
 
Here's how it breaks down.

Looking at each schools top3 recruits: Kentucky leads
Looking at each schools top4 recruits: Duke leads (This is where ESPN is)
Their entire classes together, each with 6 recruits: Kentucky leads.

Basically, Mulder and Humpries give Kentucky the nod as each are roughly 4* recruits. Robinson and Vrankovic are 3* players, which is a really a huge drop-off.

Kentucky, as of today, has the #1 class.
 
Can someone rundown the recruits of each, side-by-side. I know Duke has some lowly recruit coming in. Also is a Mulder considered a recruit?

Here is the aggregate scores of recruits:

https://sites.google.com/site/rscihoops/2015-final

Please note that this does NOT include Murray, Mulder, or Humpries... also doesn't include Duke's 3-star recruits Vrankovic and Robinson.
If you go from the best and work your way down, I look at them like this.

Skal>Ingram
Murray>Thornton
Briscoe>Jeter
Humphries<Kennard

And Mulder & Matthews > Duke's other 2 who aren't ranked in most top 100 lists.
 
That's exactly how I see it, as well. Skal and Murray are essentially sure-fire recruits, so is Ingram. Thornton and Briscoe are just a tier below that, IMO. Jeter seems a few tiers below them. I don't know why I'm not sold on him. Just seems like a multi-year player. Rail-thin. I think he struggles as a freshman. Either way, at least 1 tier below.

I'm willing to concede that Kennard is the 7th best out of the group, despite Matthew's recent climb (who I think is 8th, but again, IMO). We can crap on Kennard all we want, but he's the perfect player for Duke. He will never be called for a foul or a charge, and because of that, he's going to be a player for them.

Those Duke 3*s might as well be bench players. Sure, they MAY turn it on by 3rd or 4th season, but probably not, especially if Duke keeps loading their roster with OAD's. Those two guys may NEVER see 3+ mpg. While Mulder and Humpries can be solid 10-15mpg contributors by their sophomore or junior years.
 
It was neck and neck for the best class of 2015 between Duke and UK BEFORE we added Murray (a top 5 recruit). Now we add Humphries (a top 30ish player in the loaded 2016 class). He is a borderline 5* for 2015. And we may still add top 35 Wynyard to THIS class.

That makes it a runaway. And YES it matters. ESPN is on this kick that Coach K has somehow eclipsed Cal as the premier recruiter in the nation. They had Duke's class #1 last year and I still think UK's was better. 2016 has yet to be decided but Cal may get his best group ever.

Darryl
I'll trade the #1 recruiting title for THE TITLE any day of the week!!!
 
We've gotten a title... and a runner-up.. and 4 Final Fours... with zero embarrassing upsets. Kentucky's tenure under Cal has been a 9/10 or even 9.5/10.. You get the top class, you'll get the results.
 
Can someone rundown the recruits of each, side-by-side. I know Duke has some lowly recruit coming in. Also is a Mulder considered a recruit?

Here is the aggregate scores of recruits:

https://sites.google.com/site/rscihoops/2015-final

Please note that this does NOT include Murray, Mulder, or Humpries... also doesn't include Duke's 3-star recruits Vrankovic and Robinson.
Well Mulder didn't just randomly show up out of the blue...
 
Other transfers don't count as a recruit, why do JUCO's count? They are already at a "college". Not that I'm fervently against it or anything, more surprised that he counts as a recruit. But, alas, it does count for 24/7
 
I definitely think UK has the # 1 class but it's only bragging rights. It wouldn't matter to me if they were ranked #25 or whatever if Cal wants the kids then that's fine with me. BTW...Michigan St. right now is ranked around #20 and I bet Izzo does okay with his group.
 
Izzo also returns a lot. As far as the more Elite teams go, MSU like the anti-UK. He's adding a few multi-year pieces to an already great, experienced team. Don't they they lost anyone else besides Dawson and Trice.
 
Cal is pushing hard for a title this season, to make up for last year. His speciality is developing a team that is at their best entering the tournament. Last season we played our best ball in the Bahamas and Non Conference. I loved the platoons early last year, but it was a bit of a mistake looking back. I understand it had to be done because of recruiting and Im not saying a 38-1 Final 4 season is a failure by any stretch of the imagination.

It was an awkward situation where we had Freshman who were better than really good players we had returning from a Runner Up team. Booker and Ulis were clearly better than the Twins, no argument in my mind. Towns was better than Dakari. Lyles was better than Lee. Add in Poythress getting injured, that hurt us too. I really thought Ulis would be allowed to run the show once we got into the Final 4. He did it with Karl taking minutes from Johnson and Lee. I think Cal wanted to do it, but then your betraying Andrew Harrison, everyone would've seen that and he may not have been drafted if he played 15 minutes per game in the Final 4. That's why almost immediately after, you saw the tweet about this being Ulis' team and we are building around him. He and Murray will be out there in crunch time this season, they will at least get a good look and not crumble and let the shot clock expire. Its alot easier to stomach if the good look doesn't go in, over not getting any kind of look at all.

I believe in this team. With the late additions of Murray and Humphries and Wynyard by all accounts on track for the second semester, Cal has separated us from the pack and we are still just as deep as last year, but it will work alot better because there is alot less demand for minutes. Mulder, Matthews, Humphries and Wynyard are more established as backups. I see Lee as our 6th man, but if Matthews is the defensive dynamo I think he is, I like him starting and having Briscoe as a super sixth man, who is the microwave off the bench playing starter minutes. Similar to Doron Lamb's role his freshman year.Then you have an offensive spark in Willis, and an experienced defensive spark in Hawkins. I just foresee alot of competition in practice from our guys 6-11 for playing time. Wynyard may get left behind and just go ahead and redshirt, it would be tough to carve out a niche on this team midseason. If he is able to do that, then he must be damn good, but I'm sure Cal will give him his shot to prove he can contribute this season. There's really no pressure on Wynyard though. This team is certainly more traditional from a development standpoint, I really can't wait for it all to come together. I won't hesitate to say this is a Final 4 team, but all logic goes out the window when you make it that far, so I won't guarantee anything. I will say once again, if we are in the Final 4 and Murray and Ulis have the ball in their hands, I'm breathing easy. They will not get caught up in the moment.

By the way you all know my thoughts and feelings on ESPN rankings. They want that perception out there for the casual fan. If you follow recruiting, you know the truth, plain and simple.
 
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Read that Scout now has UK #1, as does Rivals and 247 Sports. Only ESPN is holding on to Duke as the #1 class. Hmmmm.....

Darryl
 
It was neck and neck for the best class of 2015 between Duke and UK BEFORE we added Murray (a top 5 recruit). Now we add Humphries (a top 30ish player in the loaded 2016 class). He is a borderline 5* for 2015. And we may still add top 35 Wynyard to THIS class.

That makes it a runaway. And YES it matters. ESPN is on this kick that Coach K has somehow eclipsed Cal as the premier recruiter in the nation. They had Duke's class #1 last year and I still think UK's was better. 2016 has yet to be decided but Cal may get his best group ever.

Darryl
To me, this is moot. Duke has a great class. So do we. I am ecstatic about getting Murray, Briscoe, and Labissiere. But I like Ingram and Thornton too. On November 17, we will play Duke on a neutral floor. If we win that game, everyone here can boast about it all we want. In the meantime, who cares what ESPN says about this?
 
Read that Scout now has UK #1, as does Rivals and 247 Sports. Only ESPN is holding on to Duke as the #1 class. Hmmmm.....

Darryl

It just isn't updated.

I've never seen a group of fans get THIS caught up in a dumb online ranking that is clearly not updated. There are weekly posts about it. Relax; UK's recruiting class is great.
 
It just isn't updated.

I've never seen a group of fans get THIS caught up in a dumb online ranking that is clearly not updated. There are weekly posts about it. Relax; UK's recruiting class is great.

I agree with your assessment of the unimportance of recruiting rankings. But I can't agree about never seeing fans get this upset. Our fans are always upset about class rankings, even when we are #1. You would think class rankings actually matter as much as wins.
 
I won't get on Darryl too much because that's not the type of person I am, but he must either watch too much ESPN, take what they say too much to heart or both. It shouldn't matter too much whether ESPN ranks Kentucky's class first or second when you know it's a great class and Calipari is gonna bring in great recruiting classes every year he's the coach at Kentucky.

But maybe I'm just saying this since I don't think ESPN is worth taking too seriously anymore outside of watching certain games you want to watch. Aside from game coverage being in HD which is admittedly a major plus, IMO that network has taken a turn and not for the better over the years.
 
BTW...Michigan St. right now is ranked around #20 and I bet Izzo does okay with his group.

No doubt. Izzo usually has his teams playing great in March even if they struggle some during the regular season (see last season).

Don't they they lost anyone else besides Dawson and Trice.

Correct. They return everyone other than those two. They'll miss the senior leadership and toughness those two brought, but I imagine MSU will very likely at least be a better regular season team in 2015-2016 than they were in 2014-2015.
 
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Having the number one class matters. UK basketball is about more than just hanging banners. Every little bragging point that we get over our opponents adds to the fun. UK's 2015 class is far and away the best whether ESPN chooses to acknowledge it or not.
 
Having the number one class matters. UK basketball is about more than just hanging banners. Every little bragging point that we get over our opponents adds to the fun. UK's 2015 class is far and away the best whether ESPN chooses to acknowledge it or not.
I like Kentucky's class and wouldn't trade it. I like ours best. But it is not far and away better than Duke's class. Simply not true. And while fans love to argue class rankings, hanging banners is really what matters. Kentucky basketball IS all about hanging banners. If you don't think so, then why was everyone so disappointed after we lost to Wisconsin? I'm surprised to see someone seriously try to argue that.
 
It just isn't updated.

I've never seen a group of fans get THIS caught up in a dumb online ranking that is clearly not updated. There are weekly posts about it. Relax; UK's recruiting class is great.

Some UK fans are just upset because your coach is being treated like a demigod for doing something he was publically adverse to for decades (navigating the OAD system), something that Cal actually did first and has actually done better overall.

So I'd say as trivial as it may appear to you and others, it's actually a microcosm for a much larger issue - the fact that a hypocritical media has a double standard concerning your coach's approach to the OAD system.


Funny how OAD looks genius when your coach suddenly successfully pulls it off, eh?
 
It was neck and neck for the best class of 2015 between Duke and UK BEFORE we added Murray (a top 5 recruit). Now we add Humphries (a top 30ish player in the loaded 2016 class). He is a borderline 5* for 2015. And we may still add top 35 Wynyard to THIS class.

That makes it a runaway. And YES it matters. ESPN is on this kick that Coach K has somehow eclipsed Cal as the premier recruiter in the nation. They had Duke's class #1 last year and I still think UK's was better. 2016 has yet to be decided but Cal may get his best group ever.

Darryl

Why does it really matter? I would rather have the #10 class and win a NC than have the #1 class any day. Why r some so worried about it that much? It matters who is #1 at the end of the year.
 
Jesus christ.. If I hear another "all that matters is who's #1 at the end" I'm gonna lose it.

Do you think we don't get that? Do you honestly think there are fans that actually value the #1 class over a title? No. It's not like you have to pick one or the other. It's freaking August. It's the offseason. Get over it.

Such a dumb statement.. Like something that would come out of John Madden's mouth.

Finally, the better the class, the better chance you have at winning the title. So yes.. It is important. We now have the edge over every single other team in terms of new players. Who wouldn't root for that?!
 
Jesus christ.. If I hear another "all that matters is who's #1 at the end" I'm gonna lose it.

Do you think we don't get that? Do you honestly think there are fans that actually value the #1 class over a title? No. It's not like you have to pick one or the other. It's freaking August. It's the offseason. Get over it.

Such a dumb statement.. Like something that would come out of John Madden's mouth.

Finally, the better the class, the better chance you have at winning the title. So yes.. It is important. We now have the edge over every single other team in terms of new players. Who wouldn't root for that?!

LineSki you absolutely nailed it, I could not have said it better than you did. One does not preclude the other and obviously everyone would rather have the Championship given the choice. The people who say that stuff don't follow recruiting, but still feel the need to be in the discussion and they actually think that saying "all that matters is who's number 1 in the end", is a profound contribution. I think every game matters, because we want to win every game, and I watch every game. So that statement takes away from literally everything else that goes into a team being great. Great recruits usually equals a great record, the better your record, the better position you are in for the tournament. It's not all about the last game or the last 2 games, it's about everything else leading up to it as well. It's a year round thing and if you are only in it for April, then you are a narrow minded and likely unintelligent.
 
For those saying only the title matters:

Why follow recruiting

Why watch the regular season

Who cares if we lose to UL, UNC, Duke

Why waste your time

Darryl
 
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