Is it wrong that at 56 I still giggle everytime I hear the words "pooped down their chimney"?His family was terrified because some random fan left a Facebook review that said he pooped in their chimney?
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Is it wrong that at 56 I still giggle everytime I hear the words "pooped down their chimney"?His family was terrified because some random fan left a Facebook review that said he pooped in their chimney?
This is correct!!Pretty sure with prejudice means they can't charge the defendant again.
His family was terrified because some random fan left a Facebook review that said he pooped in their chimney?
Let's review the actual threats made, or at least the ones released. You will recall the breathless coverage that weekend, with news that Higgins had received over 3000 threats. Knowing how ugly people are in this current culture, I didn't even want to see them, you could just imagine how bad they must have been. Then, several months later, the local authorities decided not to press charges - the first hint that this might all have been overblown. Then days later they released what presumably were the worst 7 of the 3000 voicemails left. They are pasted below. My point is not to defend the conduct of the knuckleheads who took the time to leave an ugly voicemail after a game with a ref - you deserve the criticism you got. My point is, when you actually see them, the threats are frankly pretty mild relative to what was hinted at originally. And - this is the way this always works - every day for a solid week we were treated to endless condemnation about this, and interminable lecturing. Months later, no one noted that they'd decided not to bring charges, or that it might all have been overblown a bit.....Of the 7, one is a "you should" do such and such, and 3 other were of the "hope"/"wish" variety, asking him to do something unpleasant to himself. Only 3 really constitute threats. 3 out of "over 3000"........
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/k...urbing-voicemails-kentucky-fans-john-higgins/
Voicemail No. 1 – “You should put a gun in your mouth and blow your own frickin brains out.”
Voicemail No. 2 – “If I ever see you in person, I’m going to smack the taste out of your frickin mouth.”
Voicemail No. 3 – “You’re going to pay, buddy.”
Voicemail No. 4 – “You enjoy your life before somebody kills you.”
Voicemail No. 5 – “Hey, you hear that garbage truck in the background over there? Wish you were in it personally.”
Voicemail No. 6 – “I hope to hell John Higgins falls off a roof and spends the rest of your life in a wheelchair.”
Voicemail No. 7 – “I hope you all get in a plane crash and die.”
That might be a good thing. At this point, the scrutiny on him -- and the NCAA -- would be so great he couldn't possibly screw Kentucky again. In fact, I'd expect all close calls to go our way.
Spot on. While it is stupid that these people even reached out to the Rooferee, none of these constitute "Death Threats"Let's review the actual threats made, or at least the ones released. You will recall the breathless coverage that weekend, with news that Higgins had received over 3000 threats. Knowing how ugly people are in this current culture, I didn't even want to see them, you could just imagine how bad they must have been. Then, several months later, the local authorities decided not to press charges - the first hint that this might all have been overblown. Then days later they released what presumably were the worst 7 of the 3000 voicemails left. They are pasted below. My point is not to defend the conduct of the knuckleheads who took the time to leave an ugly voicemail after a game with a ref - you deserve the criticism you got. My point is, when you actually see them, the threats are frankly pretty mild relative to what was hinted at originally. And - this is the way this always works - every day for a solid week we were treated to endless condemnation about this, and interminable lecturing. Months later, no one noted that they'd decided not to bring charges, or that it might all have been overblown a bit.....Of the 7, one is a "you should" do such and such, and 3 other were of the "hope"/"wish" variety, asking him to do something unpleasant to himself. Only 3 really constitute threats. 3 out of "over 3000"........
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/k...urbing-voicemails-kentucky-fans-john-higgins/
Voicemail No. 1 – “You should put a gun in your mouth and blow your own frickin brains out.”
Voicemail No. 2 – “If I ever see you in person, I’m going to smack the taste out of your frickin mouth.”
Voicemail No. 3 – “You’re going to pay, buddy.”
Voicemail No. 4 – “You enjoy your life before somebody kills you.”
Voicemail No. 5 – “Hey, you hear that garbage truck in the background over there? Wish you were in it personally.”
Voicemail No. 6 – “I hope to hell John Higgins falls off a roof and spends the rest of your life in a wheelchair.”
Voicemail No. 7 – “I hope you all get in a plane crash and die.”
It means just what it says, dismissed. Therefore, no judgment was entered. It's unlikely that his side would dismiss with prejudice, meaning they can't refile...., so I'd say it was involuntary.Was the case dismissed voluntarily or involuntarily, or was summary judgment actually entered? The tweet says "dismissed with prejudice" which has a precise meaning when utilized by lawyers. Just curious.
Let's review the actual threats made, or at least the ones released. You will recall the breathless coverage that weekend, with news that Higgins had received over 3000 threats. Knowing how ugly people are in this current culture, I didn't even want to see them, you could just imagine how bad they must have been. Then, several months later, the local authorities decided not to press charges - the first hint that this might all have been overblown. Then days later they released what presumably were the worst 7 of the 3000 voicemails left. They are pasted below. My point is not to defend the conduct of the knuckleheads who took the time to leave an ugly voicemail after a game with a ref - you deserve the criticism you got. My point is, when you actually see them, the threats are frankly pretty mild relative to what was hinted at originally. And - this is the way this always works - every day for a solid week we were treated to endless condemnation about this, and interminable lecturing. Months later, no one noted that they'd decided not to bring charges, or that it might all have been overblown a bit.....Of the 7, one is a "you should" do such and such, and 3 other were of the "hope"/"wish" variety, asking him to do something unpleasant to himself. Only 3 really constitute threats. 3 out of "over 3000"........
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/k...urbing-voicemails-kentucky-fans-john-higgins/
Voicemail No. 1 – “You should put a gun in your mouth and blow your own frickin brains out.”
Voicemail No. 2 – “If I ever see you in person, I’m going to smack the taste out of your frickin mouth.”
Voicemail No. 3 – “You’re going to pay, buddy.”
Voicemail No. 4 – “You enjoy your life before somebody kills you.”
Voicemail No. 5 – “Hey, you hear that garbage truck in the background over there? Wish you were in it personally.”
Voicemail No. 6 – “I hope to hell John Higgins falls off a roof and spends the rest of your life in a wheelchair.”
Voicemail No. 7 – “I hope you all get in a plane crash and die.”
Was the case dismissed voluntarily or involuntarily, or was summary judgment actually entered? The tweet says "dismissed with prejudice" which has a precise meaning when utilized by lawyers. Just curious.
Well, I guess it's a mere case of extending empathy as well as what I saw online regarding his business.
If you had your house called by dozens of people who hated you and knew your dad/spouse was being targeted by hundreds of online UK fans, how would you feel?
I'm not making an excuse for Higgins. He's trash and deserved the online deluge, but I'm merely pointing out that dealing with BBN in the postscript of that game was no pleasure cruise for his family.
To assert that he'd somehow want to be involved in another controversially reffed UK game is really a stretch. I think we've seen the last of Higgins in March.
I understand but fans are left with so little options. There is a difference between calling a bad game and what Higgins has done to UK. I do not condone what happened but so much of this would go away if there was accountability.
They make the kids be available, the coaches be available but not the officials for questioning. Reporters think nothing of trashing an 18 year old kid for poor performance. When was the last time an objective reporter went after an official for their performance? No fans are always wearing tin foil hats according to the media.
Maybe if Higgins were held accountable for the crap he pulled vs UCONN and Wisconsin before, the UNC debacle would have never happened. Fans would not have gone after him and the game would have been called straight up.
Yes the fans are to blame for their actions, but the flames were fanned by the lack of accountability for refs. Higgins did not have a bad game. He blatantly has screwed KY time and time again.
Stuff like what? You mean writing comments on a Facebook page that is public and is designed to accept messages ? The alleged death threats that were complete bullshit?The worst version of BBN is when stuff like this happens. I don't care how bad he was or what call he missed, you should never, ever, ever message in any way the ref in his personal life. The lawsuit was frivolous and never going anywhere. But it's a shame he felt he needed to.
Not once did that ever cross my mind...Was anyone actually worried that Higgins would win?
This comment leads me to believe you are being willfully ignorant to the facts that are readily available about the dismissal.We don't know all of the facts about the case being dismissed. The tweet just said the suit was dismissed with Prejudice. That does not give the reason Was the dismissal voluntary or involuntary? If it was voluntary the plaintiff may have received compensation and a settlement made. I am sure Matt Jones and crew have liability insurance and it could be the insurance company negotiated an out of court settlement.
Now if the judge made it involuntary that means the judge dismissed the case against the plaintiffs wishes. We don't know or have the total facts based on Matt Jones tweet. If someone has the total facts, please speak up. Was the case dismissed because the two parties agreed on a settlement or did the judge just throw it out.
But the important thing is we may have seen the last of Higgins at a UK game. Let's hope so.
Thanks, I was going by Matt Jones tweet which was incomplete of the facts. If the judge threw it out I think that was the correct thing to do because I did not see any liability on KSR. If I had been on the jury had it gone to trial I would have sided for KSR.This comment leads me to believe you are being willfully ignorant to the facts that are readily available about the dismissal.
Google and Twitter are your friends. No settlement, dismissal was by order of the Court and the order references the objections presented by Rooferee's legal team.
Let's review the actual threats made, or at least the ones released. You will recall the breathless coverage that weekend, with news that Higgins had received over 3000 threats. Knowing how ugly people are in this current culture, I didn't even want to see them, you could just imagine how bad they must have been. Then, several months later, the local authorities decided not to press charges - the first hint that this might all have been overblown. Then days later they released what presumably were the worst 7 of the 3000 voicemails left. They are pasted below. My point is not to defend the conduct of the knuckleheads who took the time to leave an ugly voicemail after a game with a ref - you deserve the criticism you got. My point is, when you actually see them, the threats are frankly pretty mild relative to what was hinted at originally. And - this is the way this always works - every day for a solid week we were treated to endless condemnation about this, and interminable lecturing. Months later, no one noted that they'd decided not to bring charges, or that it might all have been overblown a bit.....Of the 7, one is a "you should" do such and such, and 3 other were of the "hope"/"wish" variety, asking him to do something unpleasant to himself. Only 3 really constitute threats. 3 out of "over 3000"........
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/k...urbing-voicemails-kentucky-fans-john-higgins/
Voicemail No. 1 – “You should put a gun in your mouth and blow your own frickin brains out.”
Voicemail No. 2 – “If I ever see you in person, I’m going to smack the taste out of your frickin mouth.”
Voicemail No. 3 – “You’re going to pay, buddy.”
Voicemail No. 4 – “You enjoy your life before somebody kills you.”
Voicemail No. 5 – “Hey, you hear that garbage truck in the background over there? Wish you were in it personally.”
Voicemail No. 6 – “I hope to hell John Higgins falls off a roof and spends the rest of your life in a wheelchair.”
Voicemail No. 7 – “I hope you all get in a plane crash and die.”
I'm not well versed in legal terminology. Exactly what does "with prejudice" mean?
Ok so like if there were two swingers, and the woman said she’s done swinging WITH PREJUDICE” It means she’s not gonna allow it again.
So basically it’s over.
He will never be assigned another UK game. Guaranteed. If he were to be, he would almost have to go out of his way to look impartial, which is and of itself is not impartial, and every single call against UK would be questioned.
Luke Maye wouldn't have even been in position to do so without Higgins. Let's start with the foul at the end of the half where Fox was nearly killed ... want to?Higgins didn't knock Kentucky out of the tournament in 2017 Luke Maye did
Well, I guess it's a mere case of extending empathy as well as what I saw online regarding his business.
If you had your house called by dozens of people who hated you and knew your dad/spouse was being targeted by hundreds of online UK fans, how would you feel?
I'm not making an excuse for Higgins. He's trash and deserved certain elements of the online deluge, but I'm merely pointing out that dealing with BBN in the postscript of that game was no pleasure cruise for his family.
To assert that he'd somehow want to be involved in another controversially reffed UK game is really a stretch. I think we've seen the last of Higgins in March.
Higgins didn't knock Kentucky out of the tournament in 2017 Luke Maye did
Not entirely true. Maye hit the big shot but UK would have been well ahead before that shot if the foul calls weren't so unbalanced. Pretty much our entire roster was sitting on the bench in foul trouble during the first half. That gave UK a huge hole to dig out of in the 2nd half.Higgins didn't knock Kentucky out of the tournament in 2017 Luke Maye did
The correct spelling threw me off, we know Tarholes can't spell so maybe it is MayeHmmm, based on this sentence we can assume this to be an actual tarhole player. And most likely Luke Maye himself as he spelled the name correctly.
There’s no way this pathetic P.O.S doesn’t ref the elite 8 game if it’s UNC/UK again. The timing of this is very strange to say the least.If he is doing one of our games in the tourney, not that it matters, but I will not be watching. I’ll listen on the radio. I can’t watch something like the calls in that 2017 elite 8 game again.
Well said! Just this very morning, ironically, an article was published at the New York Times rehashing the theory that there were death threats: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/20/sports/ncaa-tournament-referees.html I posted more about it this morning over at the Higgins Missed Calls Thread.Thanks for bringing the facts. . . For those who forgot, the media at the time widely claimed that Higgins received death threats. Yet none of the supposedly worst examples listed above were actual & legitimate death threats. . . I for one was looking forward to seeing the identity of these idiots revealed, mainly to see whether they were actual UK fans or not. . . I say that because of my experience in this board where after a loss, granted there’s a lot of upset UK fans but also a high number of imposters looking to stir the pot. . . .It wouldn’t surprise me one bit that while most who harassed Higgins were indeed UK fans, that there might have been some non-UK agitators posing as UK fans as well. . . Unfortunately we’ll never know because the identities were never released (and no nothing was ever forwarded to the FBI either, again unlike what was erroneously claimed by the media.)
If the NCAA is stupid enough to do that then they deserve what they are getting. I don't condone threatening a ref but let's be serious about this. The reason this happened in the first place is the NCAA's policy that refs are 100% correct 100% of the time and they are permanently untouchable. If they continue doing that and fans continue to see their school screwed over again and again by the same ref then they will do exactly what happened.Many people are ignorant. Then theres the NCAA. Higgins will be assigned to us again by the NCAA, just to prove a point. And we will be f***ed again, and told to shut up or we'll get another.