Don't understand this at all. How could you say this is a sweet sixteen team at best without A) seeing them play, and B) knowing that Cal has put 6 of his 8 teams in at least the elite eight, half in the final four, and 25% in the championship game?? Cal had 2 Final four teams with exactly 1 lottery pick, and only 2 first round players on it. And a team that went to the Final four playing 7 freshmen in his top 8, with the other being a sophomore.
Has anyone heard any updates on Cam Johnson?
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Don't understand this at all. How could you say this is a sweet sixteen team at best without A) seeing them play, and B) knowing that Cal has put 6 of his 8 teams in at least the elite eight, half in the final four, and 25% in the championship game?? Cal had 2 Final four teams with exactly 1 lottery pick, and only 2 first round players on it. And a team that went to the Final four playing 7 freshmen in his top 8, with the other being a sophomore.
That's different than saying he's their best player. Meeks is clearly the better player and saying otherwise is revealing (at least if you continue to stand by that comparison). Pitt was not a good team and he was clearly not their best player.
Some of the team's you are referring to could have easily lost earlier than they did. Sweet sixteen is a decent soft ceiling.
I don't think he's Jodie Meeks. I've never stood by a comparison.
It's my opinion that Pitt was a really bad team. Johnson was their weapon. Shutting him down was vital.
For what it's worth there was a thread on the Duke scout board a while back hoping we don't get Johnson. They seemed very high on him as well.
And I highly doubt Cal would offer anyone else a scholarship off of that team.
You said Meeks would put up similar stats to Johnson on that team. That's bs. He is not their best player, which is easy to see by looking at box scores and seeing there were many games where he didn't have much of an impact. Their two best players were seniors, so its easy to say we wouldn't offer anybody else.
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Everything we've read so far? I haven't read anything that said he isn't coming back. The fact that he hasn't signed with an agent says that he may still come back. I know many of you have given up all hope that he will come back and you may be right but until he signs with an agent, the door is open for a return.
Yes, 2 of those teams could have lost earlier. Also, 2 of the teams that made the elite eight could have very easily also made the final four. The only 2 teams that didn't make at least the elite eight were 2013 and 2016. And 2013 we don't really know how good they would have been, as Noel, our best player went down with a season ending injury. Looking at history under Cal, He has never lost to a team seeded further than 1 seed line away, and 50% of his years, we have been a 2 seed or higher. A ceiling is the best possible finish, not where you think they will finish. You are virtually saying that the team as constructed has 0% chance of making it past the Sweet Sixteen, something Cal has done 75% of the time he has been here.
Luck is winning a game most think you shouldn't. But when you continually do it time and again, it's time to quit looking at being lucky as the reason. Once is an outlier, but several times is a pattern and is likely the result of something other than luck.
Are you really taking issue with a one game difference? I personally don't feel like losing in the elite eight vs losing in the sweet sixteen is that much of a difference. Yes, I feel like expecting a final four appearance with this group as currently constructed is unrealistic.
I agree that expecting a final four is unrealistic, but it is most years. You used the term ceiling, indicating it would be ridiculous to even think they could get further. It's not ridiculous to think they could reach the elite eight or even the Final four. But expecting is totally different.
Ceiling as in where I think we realistically end up. You are getting really hung up on your own definitions of terms.
After reading the recent tea leaves, I believe it is either Diallo or Johnson, but not both. I'd be fine with either. Not just fine, ECSTATIC.
Pitt has relaxed the restrictions and he can now consider ACC schools except he'd have to sit out a year if he goes to ACC school. Not the case if he goes to UK or Zona. They could back down on that as well however.
Still think it depends on what happens with Alkins and Diallo. If UNC can get the "sit out a year" requirement waived however - think he'll be at UNC. Best opportunity for PT. Will be resolved soon.
Laughing just shows how little you actually know about basketball. Lamb wasn't Liggins on D, but he was able to hold his own on D. He wasn't monk creating his own shot, but he could put the ball on the floor and beat his man, as well as 2-3 dribble pull up. Not to mention he was crazy good coming off picks. He didn't have fox type athleticism, but he was above average.
My initial response was why people aren't excited about a guy like Johnson, and it is because unless he can do something of significance besides shoot, he will be a 40% bench rider.
I was gonna give that update as well. I don't think Pitt will relax any further.
Know more than what you know. Your already back peddling. All these teams wouldnt be after him unless he was a good player.
Not backpeddling. I said he needed to be able to do those things, not be an allstar. It's not about whether he is a good player or not, it's about whether Cal will play him or not. Him not being able to do those things is not my opinion, that's the scouting report on him. I'll go back and remind people that Mulder was a 40%+ 3pt shooter, so why didn't he play 30 minutes a game?? Because he was terrible on defense, not a great ball handler, and couldn't do much with the ball other than catch and shoot. If Cam comes to UK, I hope he is closer to Lamb than Mulder, because otherwise he will be buried. Fox and Monk weren't great defenders, but they both had the ability to put up 40 points. I doubt Cam has that ability.
If he had to lay our another year, then wouldn't he get caught in that rule about finishing your four years of eligibility in five years, exceptions made for military service and religious (LDS) mission trips?
I was referring to you backpeddling on Lamb. You first described a first round pick then started backpeddling on his game. Let me refresh you
You talking about Johnson.
"People are looking at the fact that his defense is questionable, doesn't appear to be able to create for himself or others, and his limited quickness. Why do they look at this?? Because you have to be able to do a couple of those things for Cal to play you. What good does a 40%+ shooter do you if he is sitting on the bench?"
I then said signed Doron Lamb and then you said this
"And Doron Lamb could do all of those things."
So clearly your saying Lamb could do all those things
Now your backpeddling on Lambs game. On your next post.
"Laughing just shows how little you actually know about basketball. Lamb wasn't Liggins on D, but he was able to hold his own on D. He wasn't monk creating his own shot, but he could put the ball on the floor and beat his man, as well as 2-3 dribble pull up. Not to mention he was crazy good coming off picks. He didn't have fox type athleticism, but he was above average.
My initial response was why people aren't excited about a guy like Johnson, and it is because unless he can do something of significance besides shoot, he will be a 40% bench rider."
Can you show me where Mulder shot 40% from 3 this past year? Also do you think Kyle Wiltjer could do all those things as well? What about Willis?
Check out who is 44 on this mock draft for this season.
https://www.google.com/search?ei=_m...le-gws-serp..0.11.2587...33i160k1.UdWz2ouJdkw
So apparently you dont like him or excited about him i guess because he sucks in your own mind but apparently someone likes him because hes listed in a mock draft and has the likes of Mich, UK, UCLA, Arizona, Oregon etc etc all wanting him. So maybe someone out their does like him? Im thinking its just a hunch but id venture to say that all these coaches are smarter than you are. Lol. Doesnt take much though.
I was referring to you backpeddling on Lamb. You first described a first round pick then started backpeddling on his game. Let me refresh you
You talking about Johnson.
"People are looking at the fact that his defense is questionable, doesn't appear to be able to create for himself or others, and his limited quickness. Why do they look at this?? Because you have to be able to do a couple of those things for Cal to play you. What good does a 40%+ shooter do you if he is sitting on the bench?"
I then said signed Doron Lamb and then you said this
"And Doron Lamb could do all of those things."
So clearly your saying Lamb could do all those things
Now your backpeddling on Lambs game. On your next post.
"Laughing just shows how little you actually know about basketball. Lamb wasn't Liggins on D, but he was able to hold his own on D. He wasn't monk creating his own shot, but he could put the ball on the floor and beat his man, as well as 2-3 dribble pull up. Not to mention he was crazy good coming off picks. He didn't have fox type athleticism, but he was above average.
My initial response was why people aren't excited about a guy like Johnson, and it is because unless he can do something of significance besides shoot, he will be a 40% bench rider."
Can you show me where Mulder shot 40% from 3 this past year? Also do you think Kyle Wiltjer could do all those things as well? What about Willis?
Check out who is 44 on this mock draft for this season.
https://www.google.com/search?ei=_m...le-gws-serp..0.11.2587...33i160k1.UdWz2ouJdkw
So apparently you dont like him or excited about him i guess because he sucks in your own mind but apparently someone likes him because hes listed in a mock draft and has the likes of Mich, UK, UCLA, Arizona, Oregon etc etc all wanting him. So maybe someone out their does like him? Im thinking its just a hunch but id venture to say that all these coaches are smarter than you are. Lol. Doesnt take much though.
Reading comprehension must not be your strong suit. I never said anything about a first round pick. In fact, I never mentioned the Draft at all. In fact, there are first round picks that might not be able to get off the bench for Cal.
So again I'll reiterate, and try reading a little slower this time. Me not being excited about him has nothing to do with whether I like him or not. It has to do with how much I think he will play. And the very thing that has most people excited about Cam, had people excited about Mulder. I was excited about Mulder, until it became apparent that Cal wasn't going to play him, due to the factors I listed above. It has nothing to do with his worth, whether he is coveted or not, but whether he can do the things I listed, not because they are important to me, but because they are obviously important to Cal, and he determines whether Cam plays or not if he comes to UK.
No offense to Mulder but there is a difference between Juco numbers and putting up numbers in a solid ACC conference.With it seeming like Diallo is leaving I don't see how people wouldn't think Cam wouldn't see major minutes.
I said you described a first round pick, guy shooting upper 40's from 3, unquestionable defense, is not lacking in quickness, is able to create for himself and others at the highest levels of college ball. Sounds kinda like a lottery pick to me haha.
Still waiting on the link to Mulder shooting over 40% from 3 this past season. You complete forgot Willis and Wiltjer. Got any good excuses for them as well?
Also since you got Cal on speed dial can you tell him Megans friend from Tn says high. He will know.
Man, I REALLY hope we land Cam now. Would definitely soften the blow of losing Bamba despite them playing different positions. Gives us a dead eye shooter in exchange for the big UK lost.
http://ukrecruiting.bloginky.com/mychal-mulder/
Mulder was deemed a knock down 3-pt shooter before coming to UK. This past season he shot just 36% on the year, though that number dropped from over 38% going into post season play.
I have never met or had a conversation with Cal, I just answered the question as to why some people weren't just thrilled with Cam, which seems to be the point you keep missing. Are you saying that you think just because A guy is tabbed a shooter, Cal will play him a lot??
And I didn't forget about Willis or Wiltjer. Wiltjer was a knock down shooter, or somewhat of one. He shot 43% from 3 in 10 mpg as a freshman. Now why did he only play 10 mpg on a team as the 7th man? Because of the things I mentioned. He shot 37% from 3 as a sophomore in 21 mpg. Willis shot over 40% from 3 in just one of his 4 seasons at UK. He barely played either of his first two seasons, and averaged 16.5 and 21.9 mpg respectively in his last 2 years. And both his last 2 years Cal was searching for somebody to help in the post.
I'll say this one last time, and then I'm done discussing this. I would like to add Cam to the roster, as I believe he will be an asset to have, especially if Diallo doesn't return. I am a fan of guys like him that can shoot. I am simply saying why there is a lack of excitement from some fans on him. And again, those aren't my observations of his game, those are from scouting reports on him.
Weatherbird I like your post with facts to back it up. My opinion only. When Cal announces the spring recruits that has been the end of recruiting for the year. Cam Johnson: I like he is 6'8" can play in transition and take it to the bucket or shot the 3 with a high percentage. If I'm correct Arizona took themselves out of the picture by taking A Duke transfer 6'9" that was a 5 star. To take someone else if the facts are right are minimal.
The thing I like beast is he has 3 years experience playing at a high level and still has two years to go. We do have some other experience with Gabriel, SKJ, and Wynyard each with one year. I think before Cam wants to become a UK Wildcat, Diallo needs to resolve his status which has been rumored today. Give it some time but I would gladly take both!
The thing I like beast is he has 3 years experience playing at a high level and still has two years to go. We do have some other experience with Gabriel, SKJ, and Wynyard each with one year. I think before Cam wants to become a UK Wildcat, Diallo needs to resolve his status which has been rumored today. Give it some time but I would gladly take both!
UNC is now after him. He would have to sit out a year if he goes their.
Funny how a guy who has all these problems has everybody after him.
Funny how a guy who has all these problems has everybody after him.
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