Yeah, if you can’t look at a regular ass t shirt without screaming out BOOBS BOOBS SHE HAS BOOBS maybe you should think about why that is
Good Ole Mel Tucker….
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Yeah, if you can’t look at a regular ass t shirt without screaming out BOOBS BOOBS SHE HAS BOOBS maybe you should think about why that is
You nor I know the context of that event.
What if she was telling him she wanted to get him in a room and screw his brains out? Tucker says even this was consentual....we have to get his definition of consensual which may be crazy.
My only point is Tucker is a knucklehead and is a married man and fooling around is stupid. Michigan st can fire him...I have no qualms with that. But that has no basis for Michigan St to not payout his contract. These are just convenient excuses for schools that make bad decisions to walk away with no repurcussions....just like Tennessee did with Pruitt.
Tucker agreed to a morals clause in his contract that says the university can fire him for cause if he engages conduct that brings disrespect, contempt or ridicule upon the university.
These allegations would seem to fit that, so Michigan State would be well within their rights to fire him and not pay out the rest of his contract. There’s nothing unfair about that.
You could offer me half of that guaranteed and I'd try to at least win a game. These coaches are WAAAAAY overpaid.
I would never sign those contracts now.....teams don't blink an eye at coaches humping ladies all over the place and then if a bad few years happen....then we start carrying about moral clauses. Come on with that nonsense.
UK had Joker Phillips and Billy Gillespie/Eddie Sutton doing all kinds of immoral stuff....and they all got fired and UK paid out the contract. I never want to hear about morals in coaching....most schools pay them to do immoral things in order to win.
Were Joker Phillips, Billy Gillespie or Eddie Sutton ever formally accused of sexual harassment or non-consensual sexual activity?
Joker was banging a TV Reporter that wasn't his wife....
Eddie was a heavy drinker
Billy.....lord knows what he was doing
Were any of those three ever formally accused of sexual harassment or non-consensual sexual activity?
Then you would never sign a contract. Tell me a coach who has a signed contract in college athletics that doesn't have a section around "fired with cause" and a number of things they cannot do.
Guys like Art Briles, Mike Leach, Hugh Freeze, Bobby Petrino, etc. prove that you can also be fired when you are having a ton of success. Teams have no problem firing guys who break contracts when they are successfull.
Bobby Petrino was 21-5 his last two seasons at Arkansas when they fired him for having an affair with another athletics department employee.
Art Briles went 11-2, 11-2 and 10-3 in the 3 seasons prior to bring fired.
Bobby Petrino was 10-3 and 11-2 in the 2 seasons before being fired.
Mike Leach was 9-4, 11-2, 9-4 in the 3 seasons prior to being fired
Didn't they get their contracts though? Firing a guy is one thing....not on the hook for a signed contract is a different matter.
None of them did. Leach even went to the supreme court of Texas to argue that he should get paid the full amount and did not get his.
Pitino sued UL to get his $38.7 million owed on his contract. They came to an agreement out of court that paid Pitino $0 of that $38.7 million. It happens all the time.
Chris Beard had $35 million remaining on his contract at Texas. He was fired when they were ranked 2nd in the nation. He will get nothing.
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Perrino wasn't fired for the affair, he was fire for hiring her and lying to the AD and President. I guess ultimately it was because of the affair because he wouldn't have hired her. But he was fired for lying, not the affair.
Yes, some schools have abused firing bad coaches "for cause" to get out of paying anything. Kansas did, the coach sued, and got paid anyway. Think Pruitt is suing Knoxville using the same lawyer. But this isn't the same at all.
Everyone is assuming he will be fired for cause, probaby will, everyone says its a bad contract, it is. But nobody at the school wants to fire the guy before this came up. in no way was he on a hot seat with those that matter, they weren't looking to fire him!
Tucker is accused & is getting national media front page coverage of sexually harassing and trying to have a sexual relationship with a rape victim. who advocates to football players to treat women with respect, yikes!! In no universe is that the same as Joker having a secret affair that his wife never publicly commented on, or Eddie Sutton drunk driving but cops let him go, or Billie G running wild with Lexington MILFS.
Oh and if we want to delve in dirty whisper rumors that aren't in the news....Mark Stoops right before his divorce and since his separation has been known to behave in a less than honorable manner out on the town with his crew.
College football coaches are the face of state universities, usually the highest paid government employees in the state. To not require some basic moral behavior in contracts is not only reasonable, but should be required!!!
Everyone is assuming he will be fired for cause, probaby will, everyone says its a bad contract, it is. But nobody at the school wants to fire the guy before this came up. in no way was he on a hot seat with those that matter, they weren't looking to fire him!
Tucker is accused & is getting national media front page coverage of sexually harassing and trying to have a sexual relationship with a rape victim. who advocates to football players to treat women with respect, yikes!! In no universe is that the same as Joker having a secret affair that his wife never publicly commented on, or Eddie Sutton drunk driving but cops let him go, or Billie G running wild with Lexington MILFS.
Oh and if we want to delve in dirty whisper rumors that aren't in the news....Mark Stoops right before his divorce and since his separation has been known to behave in a less than honorable manner out on the town with his crew.
College football coaches are the face of state universities, usually the highest paid government employees in the state. To not require some basic moral behavior in contracts is not only reasonable, but should be required!!!
I would sign an $80M contract if there was a "no sex allowed" clause and take my chances.
But that's just me.
The new Jeopardy question what does Mel Tucker and PeeWee Herman have in common?
No, the root cause of the firing was the affair. If there were no affair, there would be no issue with hiring her. Similarly, Petrino lied in an attempt to conceal the affair. The affair was the issue, the lying just added fuel to the fire.
But even without the lying, having an affair with someone you’ve had a hand in hiring is grounds for firing with cause because it creates legal exposure for the employer. That’s pretty standard with any company across all industries.
The affair was the issue with Petrino.
EDIT: to be clear, I should say it’s the not just the affair, but with whom he had the affair. If Petrino had an affair with his neighbor who’s unrelated to the University, he’s probably not getting fired with cause even if he lied to conceal it. The university would likely have given him some type of reprimand, or negotiated a buy out if they wanted him gone over the lying.
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Recognize humor. I even threw in the Star wars gif to reinforce that impression. Now back to your righteous indignation. Carry on.
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It wasn’t funny, but then why get so defensive if it was a joke? Carrying on.
I read an interview with Jeff Long (Arkansas AD) at the time that story happened and he indicated they were really looking for a way to keep Petrino as coach with a suspension but the guy is such a sociopath that Long said he asked Bobby three separate times for the truth and Bobby stuck to the lie and the last two times they asked him they already had all the details (Bobby didnt know that)and Long had really hoped the final time he asked Bobby that Bobby had a couple of days to think things over and would finally come clean and they could start to deal with the press but when he maintained his same story, he said he and the President had no choice bit to go ahead and fire him.
My thoughts on the situation:
- The optics are horrible for MSU and Mel Tucker, especially given what has happened with Larry Nasser and the gymnastics team. Given what has come out about the situation, suspending him as a precursor to terminating his contract is the right thing to do.
- Whether he's ultimately fired "for cause" or not will most likely be litigated, or at least mediated.
- I can't help but feel that if Tucker had his MSU FB team primed to make the CFB Playoffs, this situation would have been resolved by a Confidential Settlement (you can call it a payoff if you like), and therefore most likely never would have never seen the light of day.
Yeah IIRC they tried to let him stay but put some behavioral clauses in his contract or some stipulations about what he can/can’t do off the field and he said something along the lines of “you’re trying to turn me into a monk”
Arky was cool with the affair, it was his lying that got him canned. The chick seduced him, it's undefeated. If you really believe a school will fire a guy bringing in millions to a school over a thing like an affair its cool, but Arky's AD had no problem with that, or even hiring the chick for a position she wasn't qualified for. He wasn't the first 50+ year old guy to be led astray by an attractive mid 20's blond. She got a pass, he gets all the BS.
No, they were not cool with the inappropriate relationship and the AD discussed this.
Petrino never disclosed his conflict of interest in hiring Dorrell or the payment, Long said. "Coach Petrino abused his authority when over the past few weeks he made a staff decision and personal choices that benefited himself and jeopardized the integrity of the football program," Long said.
That’s what got Petrino fired. He violated clear university policies and opened the school up to a sexual harassment lawsuit from Dorrell. As the Arkansas sexual harassment policy states, even consensual relationships between supervisors and employees may result in sexual harassment charges. And shortly before Petrino’s firing, Dorrell had retained an attorney.Per Petrino’s contract and University policy, it was the inappropriate relationship that got him fired. This wasn’t simply just an affair. It was an affair that violated university policy, opened the school up to litigation and represented an abuse of authority. As I mentioned before, if Petrino simply had an affair with his neighbor and lied about that, he would’ve likely kept his job. But that’s not what happened. He had an affair with an employee.
Don’t get me wrong, his deceit was certainly an aggravating factor, but the grounds for his dismissal were rooted in the inappropriate relationship. The relationship is what creates the greatest risk of injury to the school.
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Question: Do mere "Allegations" bring the requisite disrespect to the University, or must the allegations be proven in a tribunal before the termination clause is triggered? The rationale for my question would appear obvious: what stops a disgruntled supporter from drumming up false charges, and soliciting some female co-conspirator to participate in the scam, in an effort to fire an unpopular coach?
Guys there are so many examples of male coaches in their 40/50s having sexual relationships iwth women that are not a problem whatsoever....as long as they are winning. That list of coaches runs circles around Petrino, Art Briles. And to be fair....Art Briles was not the one doing sexual stuff....he was covering up his own players with multiple rape allegations on the Baylor campus.....which isn't even close to Bobby Petrino.
Tom Herman as Texas
Ed Orgeron at LSU
Jimbo Fisher at FSU
Lane Kiffen as USC
Brian Harsin at Auburn
None of these guys caught any flack at all for these issues...and these are all "moral" issues to a certain degree. And these are just the coaches I can come up with in SEC of recent years. If there was a list to compile across the country for last 20 years....this lists would go on and on.
I do think Mel Tucker is silly for stepping out on his wife like this. I am going to wait to hear his side of these allegations from this woman. Tucker is already stating this is one sided....that the lady did send him a pic and was talking about how they would look naked together, etc.... So there is a ton of come out of this to get the full picture.
But to fire him and attempt to get out of paying his $95M contract is just greed of the school. These schools give these guys this money and look the other way when things are fine. Then things go sideways and the schools attempt to get rid of coaches and not pay them the contract they sign.
This is just like applying laws to certain people and then ignoring the law when other people break those laws....it is what our Gov't do across the country (like Joe Biden family). These schools have been moving the needle with these "moral clause" so they can fire a dude and not pay them out. If Tucker was just trying to sleep with the woman and she got insulted....I don't see how that is a rationale to not pay him his contract. This stuff is just ridiculous IMO.
Tom Herman as Texas
Ed Orgeron at LSU
Jimbo Fisher at FSU
Lane Kiffen as USC
Brian Harsin at Auburn
None of these guys caught any flack at all for these issues...and these are all "moral" issues to a certain degree. And these are just the coaches I can come up with in SEC of recent years. If there was a list to compile across the country for last 20 years....this lists would go on and on.
I do think Mel Tucker is silly for stepping out on his wife like this. I am going to wait to hear his side of these allegations from this woman. Tucker is already stating this is one sided....that the lady did send him a pic and was talking about how they would look naked together, etc.... So there is a ton of come out of this to get the full picture.
But to fire him and attempt to get out of paying his $95M contract is just greed of the school. These schools give these guys this money and look the other way when things are fine. Then things go sideways and the schools attempt to get rid of coaches and not pay them the contract they sign.
This is just like applying laws to certain people and then ignoring the law when other people break those laws....it is what our Gov't do across the country (like Joe Biden family). These schools have been moving the needle with these "moral clause" so they can fire a dude and not pay them out. If Tucker was just trying to sleep with the woman and she got insulted....I don't see how that is a rationale to not pay him his contract. This stuff is just ridiculous IMO.
A couple thoughts on this:
1. Even if it was determined to be consensual, Michigan State might take a stance that engaging in such a relationship with an individual he contracted with a multiple occasions to come to campus to speak to student athletes might be considered breaking this language in the contract, "The coach engages in any conduct which constitutes moral turpitude or which in the University's reasonable Judgment, would tend to bring public disrespect, contempt, or ridicule upon he University"
2. If he Tucker is fired with cause by the university and he is able to prove that it was consensual, he would then take MSU to court and let the courts decide if he's owed the money left on his contract.
Were any of these individuals turned into the university through their Title IX process and accused of sexual misconduct with an individual that was hired by the university?
But he was going to survive all of it until he did the lying. Being cool with it was a bad choice of wording. And everything that came out he was guilty of and grounds for firing, but thst didnt mean he was fired, he would been retained if he had been up front and told the truth. No one wanted to fire him over it, administration was willing to take the embarrassment of the affair and all that resulted, but not him lying to them.
