Global Climate Changes
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Forcing an energy transition before the technology is ready is far more disastrous than anything burning coal or natural gas will do. This will cause legit suffering in some areas, financial and physical, if common sense doesn’t continues to be ignored.
"As readers of these pages know, that’s a point our contributor Bjorn Lomborg has been making for years. He wrote in November that between 2000 and 2019 in the U.S. and Canada, an average of 20,000 people died from heat each year compared to more than 170,000 from cold.
“Despite the climate narrative, almost everywhere cold is much more deadly than heat,” Mr. Lomborg tweeted on Monday. “Cheap and reliable energy to keep us warm used to be the hallmark of prosperous countries; no more because of our climate obsession.”"
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“Despite the climate narrative, almost everywhere cold is much more deadly than heat,” Mr. Lomborg tweeted on Monday. “Cheap and reliable energy to keep us warm used to be the hallmark of prosperous countries; no more because of our climate obsession.”"
Opinion | The Cold Reality of Buffalo
The storm death toll is a reminder that reliable energy saves lives.
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I agree with you. We are wasting precious time with "solutions" that are little more than ploys to lend the false impression to the public that we have time to fix this if we just all pitch in and drive an electric car and become vegetarians.
Here's something important for you to all understand: If we turned off every car, every factory, every coal fired power plant on earth today, the planet would actually warm faster. We'd be dead sooner. This is known as the Global Dimming Effect and makes Climate Change the ultimate Catch-22. Aerosols and particulates, especially sulfates, actually have a net cooling effect of around .5 to 1 full degree. Plus manmade Aerosols and particulates fall out of the atmosphere rapidly in just a few days, not months or years. To rapidly shut everything off means abrupt catastrophic warming.
Aerosol dimming, caused by introducing industrial pollutants to the natural environment, is a serious threat to the health of human, animal and plant life. People all over the globe are increasingly facing serious health complications related to air pollution, smog, and acid rain. New reports are now linking high risk of respiratory infections like COVID-19 to air pollution. Recent studies report that “the climate effects of anthropogenic aerosols have masked some of the warming induced by greenhouse gases (GHGs) along with some impacts of that warming. These temperature effects may be beneficial but are almost certainly overwhelmed by aerosols’ negative health impacts.”
If you want to get conspiracy nutty you could say Covid was one big giant test to see how global dimming would work and here's a tip: we definitely saw the Global Dimming effect in the early stages of the Covid shutdowns so if it was a test, we flunked it.
Obviously we don't want to admit the beneficial situation we find ourselves in due to pollution for obvious reasons, but the truth is in our situation we can' afford to remove them too quickly. The faster we stop all the lying and misinformation and get directly to a global singular focus on a technological breakthrough to remove CO2 from the atmosphere, then the sooner we at least recognize the true nature of our predicament. Yes you see a lot of that and it is happening, but the campaign to keep people thinking they can do something by driving an electric car or not using plastic straws dulls their senses to the direct immediate danger we all are in. In order to have the urgency needed for the situation people need to know the truth of it. There is precious little time for our Hail Mary pass.
Of course, there is the final solution, a nuclear winter to buy an extra 1 to 4 years. Russia and China are the most vulnerable to Climate Change compared to us. They will have itchy trigger fingers and China has went all in on building the largest sustainable system of bunker shelters the world has ever seen. Do they have the same view of when the time would be for that Hail Mary pass as we do? Russia in particular seems unhinged. I know for certain Putin is alarmed by what he sees as just this year at the Glasgow Summit Putin said "climate change is one of the greatest challenges facing humanity."
Want to go down another conspiracy hole? Putin's action in Ukraine make absolutely no sense, unless it is viewed as pretext for Global Nuclear war. Add to that China's mystifying truly uncharacteristically awful public relations disaster in siding with Russia in Ukraine, unless you consider they are in exactly the same boat Russia is. Climate Change will ravage Russia and China much faster and much sooner than it will us. Those two countries will be destabilized by it in the near future.
For decades, the fossil fuel industry has attempted to influence and stifle the United States’ climate policies at both the federal and state level. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce — the largest dark money, pro-fossil fuel trade association in the country — has an extensive history of problematic behavior, including lobbying against climate legislation, supporting climate deniers, backing the fossil fuel industry, protecting polluters in court, and spreading misinformation about climate change. During the 2019-2020 election cycle alone, the group spent nearly $160 million on congressional lobbying.
Fossil Fuel Industry’s Influence in the 2020 Congressional Elections
For decades, the fossil fuel industry has attempted to influence and stifle U.S. climate policies at both the federal and state level.
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We can run our county off fossil fuels. We can’t run a city off renewable energy. Slight difference.For decades, the fossil fuel industry has attempted to influence and stifle the United States’ climate policies at both the federal and state level. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce — the largest dark money, pro-fossil fuel trade association in the country — has an extensive history of problematic behavior, including lobbying against climate legislation, supporting climate deniers, backing the fossil fuel industry, protecting polluters in court, and spreading misinformation about climate change. During the 2019-2020 election cycle alone, the group spent nearly $160 million on congressional lobbying.
Fossil Fuel Industry’s Influence in the 2020 Congressional Elections
For decades, the fossil fuel industry has attempted to influence and stifle U.S. climate policies at both the federal and state level.
Good. I'm sure that's a drop in the bucket compared to what's being spent world-wide by the alarmists to rush the world into an energy disaster.For decades, the fossil fuel industry has attempted to influence and stifle the United States’ climate policies at both the federal and state level. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce — the largest dark money, pro-fossil fuel trade association in the country — has an extensive history of problematic behavior, including lobbying against climate legislation, supporting climate deniers, backing the fossil fuel industry, protecting polluters in court, and spreading misinformation about climate change. During the 2019-2020 election cycle alone, the group spent nearly $160 million on congressional lobbying.
Fossil Fuel Industry’s Influence in the 2020 Congressional Elections
For decades, the fossil fuel industry has attempted to influence and stifle U.S. climate policies at both the federal and state level.
So, you are saying the AP taking $8 million to cover a political story is okay?For decades, the fossil fuel industry has attempted to influence and stifle the United States’ climate policies at both the federal and state level. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce — the largest dark money, pro-fossil fuel trade association in the country — has an extensive history of problematic behavior, including lobbying against climate legislation, supporting climate deniers, backing the fossil fuel industry, protecting polluters in court, and spreading misinformation about climate change. During the 2019-2020 election cycle alone, the group spent nearly $160 million on congressional lobbying.
Fossil Fuel Industry’s Influence in the 2020 Congressional Elections
For decades, the fossil fuel industry has attempted to influence and stifle U.S. climate policies at both the federal and state level.
Geez. You are indoctrinated. We don’t look to the fuel industry for unbiased reporting. That was supposed to be the media’s job.
Defending this payment by crying about corporate lobbying? Attempt a modicum of objectivity.
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Show me where hydrogen is being used to run a city in our country. I’m talking actual technology available now, not something in development.
No I didn't say that. In fact I didn't render an opinion I just posted an article that points to corruption/bribery in the fossil fuel industry and elected officials. You think they don't want something in return for those bucks? I'm "indoctrinated"? LOL
I do agree the press should remain independent, but the question becomes was anything that was reported by the 20 some reporters hired with the $8 not factual? I also think elected officials shouldn't be taking bribes from special interests groups especially those that are not in the public interest. They have much more control over public policy then a news information organization.
1) you responded to the AP story with a link about the Oil lobby. Yeah, you did not intend an opinion to be gleaned from that. Gotcha.
2) if the oil industry paid the AP $8 million to cover energy issue, you would blow a gasket.
Yeah, indoctrinated.
5 things to know about Lancaster becoming the nation's first hydrogen city
By Susan Carpenter LancasterPUBLISHED 8:36 AM PT Aug. 03, 2021
Days before the Olympics kicked off in Tokyo, the Japanese city of Namie Town, in Fukushima, signed a sister cities agreement with Lancaster in northern LA County, committing to hydrogen as the cities' primary green energy strategy. The most abundant chemical substance on the planet, hydrogen has the potential to be a renewable, zero-emissions power source for transportation and electricity.
Lancaster will be the first hydrogen city in the United States.
Five things to know about Lancaster becoming the nation’s first hydrogen city:
- Lancaster’s partnership with Namie Town is a first-of-its-kind international agreement to develop and use hydrogen as the cities’ primary energy source.
- Lancaster is building several hydrogen production plants in partnership with Japanese companies to use organic trash, recycled mixed paper and solar power to generate hydrogen.
- The hydrogen will be used to power buildings, including Lancaster City Hall, as well as vehicles.
- Lancaster plans to be the first city in the country to offer rebates on hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicles, such as the Toyota Mirai, Honda Clarity and Hyundai Nexo.
- Lancaster is already the first net-zero emissions city in the world, having transitioned to solar energy.
Lot of plans, not many results. And that’s from someone who thinks hydrogen generation has a lot of potential.
That’s the issue though. Forcing technology into operation before its ready isn’t good for anyone other than those making money off it.
Forcing any technology before its ready is reckless at best and deadly at worst. Unfortunately the US will realize that in the coming years.
We'll starve and freeze to death while waiting on this stuff to pan out. It's like Europe cutting fertilizer usage by 30%. No plan to keep food production where it is or increase it.... Nope. We'll just figure it out by this spring I guess. Also weird that Europe is using more coal this year after instituting all those green energy rules. Weird how facing freezing to death made them forget about green energy real quick.
It’s ready now. cars have beeen hydrogen powered successfully for decades. Nasa has been sending hydrogen powered space shuttles to the moon for decades.
Then why does it have no part of the U.S. generation mix? If it were so profitable and proven then private companies would be all over it.
Show me where hydrogen generation is a major contributor right now. What percentage of our total generation does it make up? Again, not saying it wont be a major generating fuel one day, but can we run our economy off it right now?
1. PLUG Power. Multi Billion dollar company producing hydrogen
2. Bloom Energy. Multi billion dollar hydrogen fuel cell producing company
3. Ballard Power-billion dollar company making hydrogen engines for car companies like Audi and others
4. Fuel Cell Power- hydrogen fuel cell company making large stationary power
Again , hydrogen technology is being developed. It’s not ready to power our grid. Maybe/hopefully one day. At least hydrogen isn’t being forced into service far before its ready, like wind and solar are.
The democrats are experts on the "evening out with oil" part.
They suck at choosing viable on demand technologies that can adequately and economically provide a solution to support their absurd, forced deadlines without destroying civilization in the process. But this is the plan.
Dem or Pub, I don’t care. But, it’s expensive because we don’t produce much hydrogen. Once we start producing and using the price of H will be inline with oil. Based off of hydrogen companies QRs, the demand for H is increasing globally and the price of H is coming down.
Personal space travel is ready now too. You need over $1million to buy a seat though.... So it's ready right now.
I was invested in a couple hydrogen fuel cell co's before Obama got in. Obama wanted ev's right away and it tanked the hydrogen fuel cell investments. Probably set Hydrogen back over a decade. Now enviro's want to do that with everything else.
If you can work in woke communism, world population reduction to 500m, and major kickbacks to politicians and the "elite", you might get some interest.
Problem is they already have a plan to accomplish those goals in process.
Hydrogen isn't the problem. Its the cost of the fuel cell tech in manufacturing.
Sigh...
Again... high cost = not ready.
Again... high cost = not ready.
The Hyperion XP-1 hydrogen car has been shown off, and it can travel up to 1,000 miles.
In August 2020, the Hyperion XP-1 was initially introduced. The Hyperion HP-1 prototype attracted a lot of interest as it displayed its cutting-edge design. Some people like its design’s sleek distinctiveness, while others thought it was just too strange. It is easy to understand why some people could find it appealing and others might not. The entire design is outlandish, with bizarre proportions, intakes, and features protruding from the bodywork, including the movable blades with solar panel covers.With a full tank, this hydrogen vehicle can go 1,016 miles (1,635 kilometers). The carbon fiber H2 tank is refillable in less than five minutes. The powertrain consists of fuel cells, supercapacitors in place of batteries, a three-speed transmission, and four axial-flux electric motors that drive the vehicle’s four wheels.
With a combined power output of more than 2,000 hp, it is possible to accelerate from zero to sixty mph (0-100 kilometer per hour) in under 2.2 seconds, with a top speed of 221 mph (356 kph).
The XP-1 hydrogen automobile from Hyperion is intended to be produced in 300 units in the US. It has not yet decided on the price for this car but plans to do so in the future. The original plan was to begin making the car at the beginning of 2022.
I dont think you realize the difference between hydrogen fuel cell and hydrogen combustion engine. If that isn't the case, then you are confusing the hell out of me because you are sprinkling in parts of both as if they are the same.
Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana's plan to build hydrogen energy hub draws federal interest
Dale Denwalt, OklahomanThu, December 29, 2022 at 6:45 AM EST·2 min read
Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana could be one step closer to securing $1.25 billion in federal funding after the U.S. Department of Energy has asked for more information about how the states would use the money to develop regional infrastructure for the production, transportation and storage of hydrogen as a fuel source.
The three states originally launched a partnership this year to create the HALO Hydrogen Hub, which could eventually be part of a network of clean hydrogen producers, consumers and connective infrastructure. The Department of Energy's goal is to to accelerate the use of hydrogen as a clean energy carrier that can deliver or store tremendous amounts of energy, and it plans to spend about $7 billion across the country to create that network.
President Joe Biden has set a goal of building a 100%-clean electrical grid by 2035, and net-zero carbon emissions by 2050. Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt said the state has a "more of everything" approach, and partnering to create the HALO Hydrogen Hub will further diversify the nation's energy portfolio.
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"Oklahoma is honored to be included in the DOE invitation to submit a bid for the Regional Clean Hydrogen Hubs Program. We share with Arkansas and Louisiana the same goal for production, use and economic impact that can result from creating a hydrogen economy," Stitt said. "The opportunities and abundant resources in Oklahoma complement our partners, and I am confident that our three state coalition can land this hub and become the nation’s heartland for hydrogen."
Stitt, Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson and Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards are banking on their states' extensive history with fuel infrastructure and production as they seek out the $1.25 billion program grant. The HALO Hub concept paper was submitted to the Department of Energy on Nov. 5, and the agency formally asked the states to submit a full application for funds by April 7, 2023.
An agreement signed by the governors in March promised to rely upon, utilize and partner with Historically Black Colleges and Universities, and tribal governments, to grow and cultivate expertise in the field.
According to the Department of Energy, the United States produces about 10 million metric tons of hydrogen each year. Current demand for hydrogen primarily comes from petroleum refining and ammonia production. However, hydrogen can be used across multiple sectors to enable zero or near-zero emissions in other chemical and industrial processes, integrated clean energy systems and transportation.
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In 2021, a task force led by Kenneth Wagner, who at the time served as Oklahoma's secretary of energy, produced a report predicting that Oklahoma could add more than 6,000 jobs to its economy if hydrogen efforts were pursued.
The report also predicts hydrogen production could generate an additional annual impact on the state's economy of between $1.5 billion and $2.5 billion, based on demand for the fuel.
