Global Climate Changes

[LOL_Man]

We are not close to 300ppm CO2 and there is no direct correlation to methane rates and ”greenhouse effect” or global warming as it is called. The fact is that everyone likes to point out all of these factors to why the end of the world is coming, but all of them are likely the earth doing what it’s done over the last several millions of years. The only direct impact that COULD be related to methane increase is temperatures which have increased very little over the last 30 years, and again are still well under what is considered the average the earth has experienced over time. The 1200ppm theory is also so unproven and there is zero direct correlation with either CO2 or Methane ppm to loss of arctic ice caps. The north pole loses ice with the South Pole gains it. That’s what is happening now and what has happened many, many times during history. So to tie back Methane to all of these chicken little theories is as ridiculous as Gore saying the east coast would be under water within 20 years Back in the 80’s. So keep trying to push the theory and continue to buy into the propaganda that is being spewed, but until there is a very real, proven direct correlation then I will chose actually look from both sides and make my own guided determination on what is a real threat versus what politicians are going to use to gain more control over the masses. Believe what you want but nothing you point to as your “end of time“ theory is proven or has any indicators which directly correlate. Keep believing though, that’s exactly what they want so they can control you.

Well if I knew you didn't even possess a rudimentary understanding of science I wouldn't have bothered to waste my time with you. I will correct this mess of a post but please, I have better things to do than discuss this with the likes of you so do not reply to me any further. Please familiarize yourself with the below link before continue to discuss in any way with any person this subject again:

The Global Monitoring Laboratory (GML) of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration conducts research that addresses three major challenges: greenhouse gas and carbon cycle feedbacks, changes in clouds, aerosols, and surface radiation, and recovery of stratospheric ozone.​

Now, as I mentioned before anything I say is readily available online requiring the slightest effort to find out. Global CO2 is currently above 417 ppm and will continue to increase at an unprecedented rate:

We are not close to 300ppm CO2 ...

NOAA Global Monitoring Laboratory Earth System Research Laboratories

---and there is no direct correlation to methane rates and ”greenhouse effect” or global warming as it is called.

Well that's just silly. Methane (CH4) is a much more powerful GHG than CO2 is but has a shorter atmospheric lifespan:

Methane (CH4) is estimated to have a GWP of 27-30 over 100 years (Learn why EPA's U.S. Inventory of Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Sinks uses a different value.). CH4 emitted today lasts about a decade on average, which is much less time than CO2. But CH4 also absorbs much more energy than CO2. The net effect of the shorter lifetime and higher energy absorption is reflected in the GWP. The CH4 GWP also accounts for some indirect effects, such as the fact that CH4 is a precursor to ozone, and ozone is itself a GHG.
​

That's why CH4 is also tracked by NOAA here: Global CH4 Monthly Means

The only direct impact that COULD be related to methane increase is temperatures which have increased very little over the last 30 years, and again are still well under what is considered the average the earth has experienced over time.​

• Earth’s temperature has risen by 0.14° Fahrenheit (0.08° Celsius) per decade since 1880, but the rate of warming since 1981 is more than twice that: 0.32° F (0.18° C) per decade.
• 2021 was the sixth-warmest year on record based on NOAA’s temperature data.
• Averaged across land and ocean, the 2021 surface temperature was 1.51 °F (0.84 °Celsius) warmer than the twentieth-century average of 57.0 °F (13.9 °C) and 1.87 ˚F (1.04 ˚C) warmer than the pre-industrial period (1880-1900).
• The nine years from 2013 through 2021 rank among the 10 warmest years on record.

NOAA Climate Change Global Temperature

The 1200ppm theory is also so unproven ...

You need to learn the difference between unproven and not understood.

Stratocumulus decks respond to greenhouse warming in large-eddy simulations that explicitly resolve cloud dynamics in a representative subtropical region. In the simulations, stratocumulus decks become unstable and break up into scattered clouds when CO2 levels rise above 1,200 ppm. In addition to the warming from rising CO2 levels, this instability triggers a surface warming of about 8 K globally and 10 K in the subtropics. Once the stratocumulus decks have broken up, they only re-form once CO2 concentrations drop substantially below the level at which the instability first occurred. Climate transitions that arise from this instability may have contributed importantly to hothouse climates and abrupt climate changes in the geological past. Such transitions to a much warmer climate may also occur in the future if CO2 levels continue to rise.

there is zero direct correlation with either CO2 or Methane ppm to loss of arctic ice caps. The north pole loses ice with the South Pole gains it. That’s what is happening now and what has happened many, many times during history. So to tie back Methane to all of these chicken little theories is as ridiculous as Gore saying the east coast would be under water within 20 years Back in the 80’s. So keep trying to push the theory and continue to buy into the propaganda that is being spewed, but until there is a very real, proven direct correlation then I will chose actually look from both sides and make my own guided determination on what is a real threat versus what politicians are going to use to gain more control over the masses. Believe what you want but nothing you point to as your “end of time“ theory is proven or has any indicators which directly correlate. Keep believing though, that’s exactly what they want so they can control you.

You completely lose control here and just lapse into anti-science pure right wing nonsense. You demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of basic well understood scientific certainties, you misstate facts and replace them with biased political conjecture, and you wrap yourself in rationalized "whistling past the graveyard" desperation.

Nobody is controlling anything. This is well beyond control. This, for us all, will be consequences. None of your tax dollars are required. You don't have to do anything different. You can simply look away and that may actually be best. But you are in the seat and on the roller coaster along with everyone else and just like everyone else you are going over that hill. What you do whether it be raise your arms or hide your eyes, none of those decisions are relevant. That's what you need to understand.

I simply am offering the chance to make amends privately to your own. To have a few precious moments that you otherwise would have overlooked. All men deserve that chance.

 

[WayneDougan]

Bushy Bill has returned!

 

[8titles]

Well if I knew you didn't even possess a rudimentary understanding of science I wouldn't have bothered to waste my time with you. I will correct this mess of a post but please, I have better things to do than discuss this with the likes of you so do not reply to me any further. Please familiarize yourself with the below link before continue to discuss in any way with any person this subject again:

The Global Monitoring Laboratory (GML) of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration conducts research that addresses three major challenges: greenhouse gas and carbon cycle feedbacks, changes in clouds, aerosols, and surface radiation, and recovery of stratospheric ozone.​

Now, as I mentioned before anything I say is readily available online requiring the slightest effort to find out. Global CO2 is currently above 417 ppm and will continue to increase at an unprecedented rate:

NOAA Global Monitoring Laboratory Earth System Research Laboratories


Well that's just silly. Methane (CH4) is a much more powerful GHG than CO2 is but has a shorter atmospheric lifespan:

Methane (CH4) is estimated to have a GWP of 27-30 over 100 years (Learn why EPA's U.S. Inventory of Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Sinks uses a different value.). CH4 emitted today lasts about a decade on average, which is much less time than CO2. But CH4 also absorbs much more energy than CO2. The net effect of the shorter lifetime and higher energy absorption is reflected in the GWP. The CH4 GWP also accounts for some indirect effects, such as the fact that CH4 is a precursor to ozone, and ozone is itself a GHG.
​

That's why CH4 is also tracked by NOAA here: Global CH4 Monthly Means

• Earth’s temperature has risen by 0.14° Fahrenheit (0.08° Celsius) per decade since 1880, but the rate of warming since 1981 is more than twice that: 0.32° F (0.18° C) per decade.
• 2021 was the sixth-warmest year on record based on NOAA’s temperature data.
• Averaged across land and ocean, the 2021 surface temperature was 1.51 °F (0.84 °Celsius) warmer than the twentieth-century average of 57.0 °F (13.9 °C) and 1.87 ˚F (1.04 ˚C) warmer than the pre-industrial period (1880-1900).
• The nine years from 2013 through 2021 rank among the 10 warmest years on record.

NOAA Climate Change Global Temperature

You need to learn the difference between unproven and not understood.

Stratocumulus decks respond to greenhouse warming in large-eddy simulations that explicitly resolve cloud dynamics in a representative subtropical region. In the simulations, stratocumulus decks become unstable and break up into scattered clouds when CO2 levels rise above 1,200 ppm. In addition to the warming from rising CO2 levels, this instability triggers a surface warming of about 8 K globally and 10 K in the subtropics. Once the stratocumulus decks have broken up, they only re-form once CO2 concentrations drop substantially below the level at which the instability first occurred. Climate transitions that arise from this instability may have contributed importantly to hothouse climates and abrupt climate changes in the geological past. Such transitions to a much warmer climate may also occur in the future if CO2 levels continue to rise.



You completely lose control here and just lapse into anti-science pure right wing nonsense. You demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of basic well understood scientific certainties, you misstate facts and replace them with biased political conjecture, and you wrap yourself in rationalized "whistling past the graveyard" desperation.

Nobody is controlling anything. This is well beyond control. This, for us all, will be consequences. None of your tax dollars are required. You don't have to do anything different. You can simply look away and that may actually be best. But you are in the seat and on the roller coaster along with everyone else and just like everyone else you are going over that hill. What you do whether it be raise your arms or hide your eyes, none of those decisions are relevant. That's what you need to understand.

I simply am offering the chance to make amends privately to your own. To have a few precious moments that you otherwise would have overlooked. All men deserve that chance.

Look at where we are in history. Taking snapshot data doesn’t indicate much in the grand scheme of things and the hockey stick temp data is inaccurate and was proven so, Much of the CO2 data where is shows above 300 has also been disproven. Look at the complete picture and not just what they feed you to make you feel like the world is ending any day.

 

[bbonds]

LG&E and KU announce rolling blackouts to deal with regional grid stress due to cold snap.

Did they do this? I saw other references to this, but I haven’t heard anyone who actually lost power via rolling blackout.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Did they do this? I saw other references to this, but I haven’t heard anyone who actually lost power via rolling blackout.

My son said that he has heard friends in Lexington suggest they were part of this, but I wonder if this was more threat, as they also have a large list of power saving strategies.

 

[IdaCat]

 

[hmt5000]

Look at where we are in history. Taking snapshot data doesn’t indicate much in the grand scheme of things and the hockey stick temp data is inaccurate and was proven so, Much of the CO2 data where is shows above 300 has also been disproven. Look at the complete picture and not just what they feed you to make you feel like the world is ending any day.

The thing about people freaking out over co2 levels above 420 is weird to me. We used to have co2 levels above 1500 and the climate was only slightly warmer. We also had co2 levels of 800 and the Earth was covered in ice. If you also consider that plants start to suffer and die below 260ppm co2, we could argue that humans adding co2 back to the atmosphere saved the planet.

 

[IdaCat]

Greta Thunberg: It's time to transform the West's oppressive and racist capitalist system​

Leftist child idol reveals the real reason for the climate change BS.

 

[WTF Cat]

Greta Thunberg: It's time to transform the West's oppressive and racist capitalist system​

Leftist child idol reveals the real reason for the climate change BS.

I wonder if she knows that the world is laughing at her?

 

[warrior-cat]

Look at where we are in history. Taking snapshot data doesn’t indicate much in the grand scheme of things and the hockey stick temp data is inaccurate and was proven so, Much of the CO2 data where is shows above 300 has also been disproven. Look at the complete picture and not just what they feed you to make you feel like the world is ending any day.

The one thing that stands out with all of these "expert" opinions or "experts" data is that most people search for these articles or studies that are in line with their views on the subject. In recent years we have seen waves and waves of data that are later debunked. Russian collusion (falsified), vaccinations vs natural immunity, mask vs unmasking, deaths due to Covid vs deaths with Covid, etc... We are finding out that these so called "experts" are using more opinion or coerced (money) "facts" as their go to info. The Global Warming disasters that never happen each 10-year predicted time for the last 60 to 70 years now is the most obvious example. When it did not happen after a few times of predictions it became "climate change" which is natural and more common and easier to push the narrative with.

 

[roguemocha]

Well if I knew you didn't even possess a rudimentary understanding of science I wouldn't have bothered to waste my time with you. I will correct this mess of a post but please, I have better things to do than discuss this with the likes of you so do not reply to me any further. Please familiarize yourself with the below link before continue to discuss in any way with any person this subject again:

The Global Monitoring Laboratory (GML) of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration conducts research that addresses three major challenges: greenhouse gas and carbon cycle feedbacks, changes in clouds, aerosols, and surface radiation, and recovery of stratospheric ozone.​

Now, as I mentioned before anything I say is readily available online requiring the slightest effort to find out. Global CO2 is currently above 417 ppm and will continue to increase at an unprecedented rate:

NOAA Global Monitoring Laboratory Earth System Research Laboratories


Well that's just silly. Methane (CH4) is a much more powerful GHG than CO2 is but has a shorter atmospheric lifespan:

Methane (CH4) is estimated to have a GWP of 27-30 over 100 years (Learn why EPA's U.S. Inventory of Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Sinks uses a different value.). CH4 emitted today lasts about a decade on average, which is much less time than CO2. But CH4 also absorbs much more energy than CO2. The net effect of the shorter lifetime and higher energy absorption is reflected in the GWP. The CH4 GWP also accounts for some indirect effects, such as the fact that CH4 is a precursor to ozone, and ozone is itself a GHG.
​

That's why CH4 is also tracked by NOAA here: Global CH4 Monthly Means

• Earth’s temperature has risen by 0.14° Fahrenheit (0.08° Celsius) per decade since 1880, but the rate of warming since 1981 is more than twice that: 0.32° F (0.18° C) per decade.
• 2021 was the sixth-warmest year on record based on NOAA’s temperature data.
• Averaged across land and ocean, the 2021 surface temperature was 1.51 °F (0.84 °Celsius) warmer than the twentieth-century average of 57.0 °F (13.9 °C) and 1.87 ˚F (1.04 ˚C) warmer than the pre-industrial period (1880-1900).
• The nine years from 2013 through 2021 rank among the 10 warmest years on record.

NOAA Climate Change Global Temperature

You need to learn the difference between unproven and not understood.

Stratocumulus decks respond to greenhouse warming in large-eddy simulations that explicitly resolve cloud dynamics in a representative subtropical region. In the simulations, stratocumulus decks become unstable and break up into scattered clouds when CO2 levels rise above 1,200 ppm. In addition to the warming from rising CO2 levels, this instability triggers a surface warming of about 8 K globally and 10 K in the subtropics. Once the stratocumulus decks have broken up, they only re-form once CO2 concentrations drop substantially below the level at which the instability first occurred. Climate transitions that arise from this instability may have contributed importantly to hothouse climates and abrupt climate changes in the geological past. Such transitions to a much warmer climate may also occur in the future if CO2 levels continue to rise.



You completely lose control here and just lapse into anti-science pure right wing nonsense. You demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of basic well understood scientific certainties, you misstate facts and replace them with biased political conjecture, and you wrap yourself in rationalized "whistling past the graveyard" desperation.

Nobody is controlling anything. This is well beyond control. This, for us all, will be consequences. None of your tax dollars are required. You don't have to do anything different. You can simply look away and that may actually be best. But you are in the seat and on the roller coaster along with everyone else and just like everyone else you are going over that hill. What you do whether it be raise your arms or hide your eyes, none of those decisions are relevant. That's what you need to understand.

I simply am offering the chance to make amends privately to your own. To have a few precious moments that you otherwise would have overlooked. All men deserve that chance.

So what would you have people do?

 

[Mdnerd]

The term “climate change” is the lefts greatest invention. It’s a term that can never be defined, have parameters, or be disproven.

The climate has always and will always change, but with this wonderful phrase, it’s always a crises and it’s always man made. There is no level of intervention that can satisfy or even be measured, as the climate will just keep on changing.

It provides an endless blank check to justify any policy they like with absolutely no clear goal to achieve, which is the whole point. It lives in perpetuity…

The power hungry have an excuse to seek their power, and the scared get their blankie and an explanation as to what is happening with the false promise we have total control.

 

[LOL_Man]

So what would you have people do?

Depends on what you mean by "do?"

Some people are misguided in their actions. We are in a classic "Catch 22" with Climate Change. For example, If we do as many propose and limit coal fired power plants sending up pollution then we actually cause the planet to warm even faster due to the Global Dimming Effect (again, Google is your friend). In our situation particles in the atmosphere not only reflect and keep heat in, they also keep heat out. So if you're some "do gooder" that thinks they're going to fix our mess then you actually probably will only make it worse. Besides, the particle cloud seeding thing to fight Climate Change is what Bill Gates is funding Harvard to work on.

So, about Climate Change, what good can you individually do now after it is way too late? Nothing as there is nothing that can be done unless you're a billionaire and even then it would be an astronomically small chance. You would be best to get as far South as possible to extend your life as long as possible which is exactly what most that can are doing. The uber Rich are buying up property so fast in New Zealand that the Government will have to step in:

“I would venture to guess the biggest reason for U.S. billionaires investing in New Zealand real estate is political and economic instability, coupled with the ‘prepper’ mentality and vast amounts of disposable income,” said Max Coursey, a real estate investment expert and president of Tiger Prop in Boise, Idaho. “New Zealand is friendly with most of the world, so their chances of being hit would be minimal and fallout in the southern hemisphere would likely be substantially less than the northern. … If there was a major outbreak of disease, what better place to be than a sparsely-populated island?”

Years of overseas investment has driven up housing prices on the island. New Zealand’s national median average home price rose 5.8% to $405,000 in 2017, the BBC reported. Those rising prices are the primary driver behind the push by New Zealand’s Labour Party government to ban foreigners from buying homes in the country.

Why US billionaires want property in New Zealand

There's actually more sneaky money from China buying up New Zealand but that is neither here nor there for our purposes. New Zealand because of safety. You could get as close or closer to Antarctica in say Tasmania or the extreme tip of South America but when things fall apart you'd be dead in a few days by sheer thuggery so it would be a pointless exercise.

My personal "do" advice for us normal people without the ability to buy a super yacht or New Zealand bunker is stay inside the US. We are the most food secure nation. We will be "normal" longer for the most people when things do fall apart. So my advice if that's what your point was is to more intentionally appreciate and interact with your loved ones without alarming them. Purposefully spend this time knowing you don't have to worry about all the things you did before. There is a natural great regret when looking at the young and that will be difficult to come to terms with. It is why you see many in here choosing to rationalize away the obvious clear truth before them. The data is irrefutable. Get your affairs in order as you best see fit.

 

[roguemocha]

So you’re just yelling at the clouds? We can’t do anything so just spend time with loved ones? Do you do things other than that?

In 8 years we’ll all still be here with the same temps and weather. And there will be some other bozo on here saying everything is going to end in 2-7 years.

 

[Mdnerd]

My favorite people are the “new” guys who think this is a new crises and libs haven’t been manufacturing this for over 100 years.

Not a single prediction has ever come true from climate alarmists, but they’re going to be right “this time”.

 

[LOL_Man]

So you’re just yelling at the clouds? We can’t do anything so just spend time with loved ones? Do you do things other than that?

In 8 years we’ll all still be here with the same temps and weather. And there will be some other bozo on here saying everything is going to end in 2-7 years.

In a sense you're correct on both points. I am accomplishing nothing knowingly by these posts. Perhaps they are self-serving to make myself feel like I offered a small few people a chance to take advantage of precious moments they might have otherwise allowed to pass.

I would be happy beyond belief to be posting in here 8 years from now. Happier than you will ever know.

We should know much sooner, though. Let's say if by next September there is not a loss of ice in the Arctic below 1 million km² (BOE) and somehow ice even rebounds which to me would be stunning, then a tide somewhere was turned in our favor.

Look to the coming end of summer 2023 as a good marker for how we are proceeding, but also understand that once all ice is effectively lost in the arctic then open ocean water will be heated 24/7 at the top of the world. When you hear of the first reports of an actual BOE (Blue Ocean Event) in the arctic then you have weeks before true chaos begins.

For clarification, as long as ice remains in a glass no matter how small, all of the heat energy will go to melting the ice. Once there is no more ice in the glass, all of the heat energy turns to warming the water. That will create massive rains storms sweeping in over arctic permafrost melting it releasing an incredible amount of GHGs. It also greatly increases the inevitable destabilization of methane clathrates in the ESAS, which is effectively Lucifer's Hammer.

 

[IdaCat]

Depends on what you mean by "do?"

Some people are misguided in their actions. We are in a classic "Catch 22" with Climate Change. For example, If we do as many propose and limit coal fired power plants sending up pollution then we actually cause the planet to warm even faster due to the Global Dimming Effect (again, Google is your friend). In our situation particles in the atmosphere not only reflect and keep heat in, they also keep heat out. So if you're some "do gooder" that thinks they're going to fix our mess then you actually probably will only make it worse. Besides, the particle cloud seeding thing to fight Climate Change is what Bill Gates is funding Harvard to work on.

So, about Climate Change, what good can you individually do now after it is way too late? Nothing as there is nothing that can be done unless you're a billionaire and even then it would be an astronomically small chance. You would be best to get as far South as possible to extend your life as long as possible which is exactly what most that can are doing. The uber Rich are buying up property so fast in New Zealand that the Government will have to step in:

“I would venture to guess the biggest reason for U.S. billionaires investing in New Zealand real estate is political and economic instability, coupled with the ‘prepper’ mentality and vast amounts of disposable income,” said Max Coursey, a real estate investment expert and president of Tiger Prop in Boise, Idaho. “New Zealand is friendly with most of the world, so their chances of being hit would be minimal and fallout in the southern hemisphere would likely be substantially less than the northern. … If there was a major outbreak of disease, what better place to be than a sparsely-populated island?”

Years of overseas investment has driven up housing prices on the island. New Zealand’s national median average home price rose 5.8% to $405,000 in 2017, the BBC reported. Those rising prices are the primary driver behind the push by New Zealand’s Labour Party government to ban foreigners from buying homes in the country.

Why US billionaires want property in New Zealand

There's actually more sneaky money from China buying up New Zealand but that is neither here nor there for our purposes. New Zealand because of safety. You could get as close or closer to Antarctica in say Tasmania or the extreme tip of South America but when things fall apart you'd be dead in a few days by sheer thuggery so it would be a pointless exercise.

My personal "do" advice for us normal people without the ability to buy a super yacht or New Zealand bunker is stay inside the US. We are the most food secure nation. We will be "normal" longer for the most people when things do fall apart. So my advice if that's what your point was is to more intentionally appreciate and interact with your loved ones without alarming them. Purposefully spend this time knowing you don't have to worry about all the things you did before. There is a natural great regret when looking at the young and that will be difficult to come to terms with. It is why you see many in here choosing to rationalize away the obvious clear truth before them. The data is irrefutable. Get your affairs in order as you best see fit.

You set up your bullshit by telling people to get as far south as possible to survive the effects of climate change. Then lie your ass off by cherry picking quotes from an article about New Zealand that has nothing to do with climate change but use it to support your idiocy. That is incredible dishonesty.

The "fallout" mentioned in that article is not about climate change. It's about nuclear war and the possible increased survivability living on a relatively remote island nation like NZ. Yes, with leftists now in power here and around the world, the major threat of nuclear war is now again a reality.

From the beginning of the article:
"With nuclear tensions on the rise, New Zealand’s political stability, low population density, pristine country and distance from major powers provides a potential refuge to those for whom money is no object. That is particularly true among the tech elite of Silicon Valley, whose West Coast headquarters are a nonstop plane ride away."

Shameless lies from the left are nothing new, but I'm always impressed that you think anyone but the braindead will believe them.

 

[LOL_Man]

You set up your bullshit by telling people to get as far south as possible to survive the effects of climate change. Then lie your ass off by cherry picking quotes from an article about New Zealand that has nothing to do with climate change but use it to support your idiocy. That is incredible dishonesty.

My goodness, the point is not what a particular media outlet describes as motivation, it is the fact itself. You can easily google articles that describe "why" the rich are buying up New Zealand the same as you can for all the super yachts. Same for the bunker constructions.

It is the "why" we are discussing here, after all. You think suddenly everyone decided right on the cusp of Antarctica was the place to be in a nuclear winter? OK. Do the best you can with that noggin of yours.

 

[warrior-cat]

My favorite people are the “new” guys who think this is a new crises and libs haven’t been manufacturing this for over 100 years.

Not a single prediction has ever come true from climate alarmists, but they’re going to be right “this time”.

Sounds like how socialism will work this time because real socialism has not been tried yet. The play book is the same for every situation it seems.

 

[IdaCat]

My goodness, the point is not what a particular media outlet describes as motivation, it is the fact itself. You can easily google articles that describe "why" the rich are buying up New Zealand the same as you can for all the super yachts. Same for the bunker constructions.

It is the "why" we are discussing here, after all. You think suddenly everyone decided right on the cusp of Antarctica was the place to be in a nuclear winter? OK. Do the best you can with that noggin of yours.

You're a blatant liar with zero credibility.

 

[LOL_Man]

You're a blatant liar with zero credibility.

Well that's much better than the alternative, I suppose. I completely understand the desire to not know. I get that.

We're currently in an El Nina and yet we have the 10th lowest Arctic Ice extent on record. When the El Nino shows up next year go ahead and mark this post as we'll resume our discussion there:

This year’s minimum set on September 18 was 1.28 million square kilometers (494,000 square miles) above the satellite-era record minimum extent of 3.39 million square kilometers (1.31 million square miles), which occurred on September 17, 2012 (Figure 2). It is also 1.55 million square kilometers (598,000 square miles) below the 1981 to 2010 average minimum extent, which is equivalent to twice the size of Texas.

In the 44-year-satellite record, 16 of the lowest minimums have all occurred in the last 16 years.

NSIDC National Snow and Ice Data Center

An El Nino event has emerged in the Forecast for 2023, while the Cold La Nina impacts this Winter weather season for the final time. La Nina has reached its peak just as the Winter 2022/2023 begins. After that, it will begin its slow breakdown process while still affecting the weather patterns over the Winter season.

An El Nino event has emerged in the Forecast for 2023, while the Cold La Nina impacts this Winter weather season for the final time

Now you probably don't understand the ramification of that El Nino showing up next year along with a solar maximum peaking in 2025. What that means is the other side of the coin is turning. The processes that have kept things kind of normal are flipping to the side that will make them much, much worse. We're at that point like on the roller coaster just before you go over. That time is now.

So yeah, it would be best if I am a liar, as you say. Run with that. You'll feel better but at the back of your mind in that primordial place where the will to live comes from, that saves us from hidden lions and erupting volcanoes... you'll feel that I am right in there. You can sense it.

 

[Mdnerd]

Well that's much better than the alternative, I suppose. I completely understand the desire to not know. I get that.

We're currently in an El Nina and yet we have the 10th lowest Arctic Ice extent on record. When the El Nino shows up next year go ahead and mark this post as we'll resume our discussion there:

This year’s minimum set on September 18 was 1.28 million square kilometers (494,000 square miles) above the satellite-era record minimum extent of 3.39 million square kilometers (1.31 million square miles), which occurred on September 17, 2012 (Figure 2). It is also 1.55 million square kilometers (598,000 square miles) below the 1981 to 2010 average minimum extent, which is equivalent to twice the size of Texas.

In the 44-year-satellite record, 16 of the lowest minimums have all occurred in the last 16 years.

NSIDC National Snow and Ice Data Center

An El Nino event has emerged in the Forecast for 2023, while the Cold La Nina impacts this Winter weather season for the final time. La Nina has reached its peak just as the Winter 2022/2023 begins. After that, it will begin its slow breakdown process while still affecting the weather patterns over the Winter season.

An El Nino event has emerged in the Forecast for 2023, while the Cold La Nina impacts this Winter weather season for the final time

Now you probably don't understand the ramification of that El Nino showing up next year along with a solar maximum peaking in 2025. What that means is the other side of the coin is turning. The processes that have kept things kind of normal are flipping to the side that will make them much, much worse. We're at that point like on the roller coaster just before you go over. That time is now.

So yeah, it would be best if I am a liar, as you say. Run with that. You'll feel better but at the back of your mind in that primordial place where the will to live comes from, that saves us from hidden lions and erupting volcanoes... you'll feel that I am right in there. You can sense it.

The time is now, it’s the tipping point, point of no return. You’ll regret not heeding my word. If only you listened to me…

Not at alarmist at all and definitely logical…

 

[LOL_Man]

The time is now, it’s the tipping point, point of no return. You’ll regret not heeding my word. If only you listened to me…

Not at alarmist at all and definitely logical…

What word have I asked you to heed?

There is absolutely nothing for you to do so why do you guys keep insisting I am asking you to do or believe something? The message to be thankful for the time you have with those closest to you drives you to rage post?

Attack my facts and figures. Show me so I can join all of you in your laughter on this Christmas Day? I want to feel the same way all of you do unless you are pretending. Where is your data for me to peruse that lends this joyousness to your celebrations or is it entirely imagined like in a children's pretend game? Are you simply ignorant and desire to remain so? What is the source of your information and why do you so jealously guard it?

 

[Mdnerd]

What word have I asked you to heed?

There is absolutely nothing for you to do so why do you guys keep insisting I am asking you to do or believe something? The message to be thankful for the time you have with those closest to you drives you to rage post?

Attack my facts and figures. Show me so I can join all of you in your laughter on this Christmas Day? I want to feel the same way all of you do unless you are pretending. Where is your data for me to peruse that lends this joyousness to your celebrations or is it entirely imagined like in a children's pretend game? Are you simply ignorant and desire to remain so? What is the source of your information and why do you so jealously guard it?

Oh no, I wouldn’t want to rob you the stress of being all knowing. Of course there are no stats or data to counter your conclusions. Just like there were no stats or data to counter the other climate theories that, for a some odd reason, just never came to be. This is definitely the one!

So worry, stress, freak out! When your prediction doesn’t come true, just move on to the next great climate crises prediction, as that is far more healthy than admitting defeat.

In reality, no one can prove or disprove these crazy theories, because they aren’t born out of proven science with hard statistics and facts over a proper period of time. They are manipulated to follow a narrative, with the best being “this has never happened before”, so therefore it must be really really bad. So please be scared!!!

Oh and dont forget to give the gov’t more control on your way out. Thanks!

 

[Mdnerd]

For all of you climate alarmists that need proof that you’re FOS, how about this. The ONLY statistic I need to back up my beliefs is the success rate of climate catastrophe predictions to come true in the last 100 years.

0.00%

The end

 

[bigblueinsanity]

For all of you climate alarmists that need proof that you’re FOS, how about this. The ONLY statistic I need to back up my beliefs is the success rate of climate catastrophe predictions to come true in the last 100 years.

0.00%

The end

Also how many climate alarmists actually act like there is a climate emergency? None.

When they act worried, maybe I'll be worried

 

[LOL_Man]

Just as the familiar Christmas Story foretold, I have visited you on Christmas showing you your sinful futures.

I know you'll retreat to comfortable familiar ignorance. Indeed, even at the end you'll be telling yourselves anything to avoid the suffocating obvious responsibility for what is happening to everyone and everything you love and care about.

But there must be atonement. At the end, your final thoughts, you will know it is what you did. That is how I have sentenced you so that you do not escape. Your last crystal clear thought will be the horror of what you have done.

My visitation this Christmas Day has decreed it be thusly and not some way other.

 

[Gassy_Knowls]

 

[KyCatFan]

Going to have to build a dome over Asia if you actually want to make a difference.

 

[Mdnerd]

Going to have to build a dome over Asia if you actually want to make a difference.

Even then, do we really know it will actually make a difference?

What does reversing this man made climate change look like? Does everything suddenly live in peace and harmony at 78 degrees and sunny?

What is the goal here? No change to the climate ever?

 

[KyCatFan]

Even then, do we really know it will actually make a difference?

What does reversing this man made climate change look like? Does everything suddenly live in peace and harmony at 78 degrees and sunny?

What is the goal here? No change to the climate ever?

I just mean nothing we do will make any difference if those 2 countries keep increasing their production. That's why it's stupid to go all in on this if everyone isn't doing their part. It's not like what happens there stays there. The jet stream is going to carry that stuff around the world. We should have put things in motion with a few decade to get there. They are killing this country/world trying to force it to happen in a matter of a handful of years. All that mining for battery components and the toxic waste left from the old batteries sitting around is countering any good going green is doing.

 

[IdaCat]

There is No Climate Emergency​

 

[sluggercatfan]

I can’t take anybody seriously who takes the climate change alarmism at face value.

If it’s natural we can’t stop it and if it’s man made we can’t stop it without China being on board.

In light of this, how does destroying our own economy help? It doesn’t, of course. It only empowers the authoritarian left. Which is the whole point.

You forgot India and Pakistan. This is more about the WT0/WHO cutting the American economy down to fit into its OWG with someone other than America as being the biggest super power. Our woke politicians/global companies are more than happy to oblige.

 

[Deeeefense]

There is No Climate Emergency​

View embedded media

. . . .But despite its measured tone and its list of supporters with impressive-sounding titles like professor or doctor, the declaration isn’t what it appears to be, several career climatologists and disinformation experts told Inside Climate News.

Rather, they said, the post seems to be the latest iteration of a broader disinformation campaign that for decades has peddled a series of arguments long discredited by the scientific community at large. Furthermore, the experts told me, the vast majority of the declaration’s signatories have no experience in climate science at all, and the group behind the message—the Climate Intelligence Foundation, or CLINTEL—has well-documented ties to oil money and fossil fuel interest groups.

“Looking at the list of signatories, there are a lot of engineers, medical doctors, and petroleum geologists and almost no actual climate scientists,” said Zeke Hausfather, a longtime research scientist at Berkeley Earth, a non-partisan nonprofit that specializes in analyzing climate data, and the former director of climate and energy programs at the Breakthrough Institute, another independent environmental research firm.

In fact, Ivar Giaever, who has been promoted as a kind of poster child for the declaration in what some believe is meant to give it credibility, won his Nobel with another scientist in 1973 for their discovery of electron tunneling in superconductors, not for anything remotely related to the study of global warming.

Experts Debunk Viral Post Claiming 1,100 Scientists Say ‘There’s No Climate Emergency’ - Inside Climate News

To the average consumer of news, the petition’s message might seem reasonable—a healthy dose of skepticism in a debate that affects everyone. “Computer models are human-made,” the petition begins. “This is precisely the problem of today’s climate discussion to which climate models are central...

insideclimatenews.org

 

[JLoad22]

The fact that NONE of the main Climate Change pushers take it seriously yet private citizens see that and still do is just baffling.

 

[IdaCat]

. . . .But despite its measured tone and its list of supporters with impressive-sounding titles like professor or doctor, the declaration isn’t what it appears to be, several career climatologists and disinformation experts told Inside Climate News.

Rather, they said, the post seems to be the latest iteration of a broader disinformation campaign that for decades has peddled a series of arguments long discredited by the scientific community at large. Furthermore, the experts told me, the vast majority of the declaration’s signatories have no experience in climate science at all, and the group behind the message—the Climate Intelligence Foundation, or CLINTEL—has well-documented ties to oil money and fossil fuel interest groups.

“Looking at the list of signatories, there are a lot of engineers, medical doctors, and petroleum geologists and almost no actual climate scientists,” said Zeke Hausfather, a longtime research scientist at Berkeley Earth, a non-partisan nonprofit that specializes in analyzing climate data, and the former director of climate and energy programs at the Breakthrough Institute, another independent environmental research firm.

In fact, Ivar Giaever, who has been promoted as a kind of poster child for the declaration in what some believe is meant to give it credibility, won his Nobel with another scientist in 1973 for their discovery of electron tunneling in superconductors, not for anything remotely related to the study of global warming.

Experts Debunk Viral Post Claiming 1,100 Scientists Say ‘There’s No Climate Emergency’ - Inside Climate News

To the average consumer of news, the petition’s message might seem reasonable—a healthy dose of skepticism in a debate that affects everyone. “Computer models are human-made,” the petition begins. “This is precisely the problem of today’s climate discussion to which climate models are central...

insideclimatenews.org

"Disinformation". Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah. From the consensus of highly motivated and funded "experts" who pushed the establishment narrative on the world Covid pandemic and censored all opposing views. To the absolute detriment of science and humanity.

Forgive me, but I'm not ready to further destroy world economies to support another rushed, forced, absurd transition that we're no way near prepared for and likely isn't immediately needed. This is filthy politics and business, Not Science.

 

[WTF Cat]

"Disinformation". Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah. From the consensus of highly motivated and funded "experts" who pushed the establishment narrative on the world Covid pandemic and censored all opposing views. To the absolute detriment of science and humanity.

Forgive me, but I'm not ready to further destroy world economies to support another rushed, forced, absurd transition that we're no way near prepared for and likely isn't immediately needed. This is filthy politics and business, Not Science.

Cmon man... just bend the knee... everything will be OK!

LMMFAO

 

[JumperJack]

 

[PhDcat2018]

. . . .But despite its measured tone and its list of supporters with impressive-sounding titles like professor or doctor, the declaration isn’t what it appears to be, several career climatologists and disinformation experts told Inside Climate News.

Rather, they said, the post seems to be the latest iteration of a broader disinformation campaign that for decades has peddled a series of arguments long discredited by the scientific community at large. Furthermore, the experts told me, the vast majority of the declaration’s signatories have no experience in climate science at all, and the group behind the message—the Climate Intelligence Foundation, or CLINTEL—has well-documented ties to oil money and fossil fuel interest groups.

“Looking at the list of signatories, there are a lot of engineers, medical doctors, and petroleum geologists and almost no actual climate scientists,” said Zeke Hausfather, a longtime research scientist at Berkeley Earth, a non-partisan nonprofit that specializes in analyzing climate data, and the former director of climate and energy programs at the Breakthrough Institute, another independent environmental research firm.

In fact, Ivar Giaever, who has been promoted as a kind of poster child for the declaration in what some believe is meant to give it credibility, won his Nobel with another scientist in 1973 for their discovery of electron tunneling in superconductors, not for anything remotely related to the study of global warming.

Experts Debunk Viral Post Claiming 1,100 Scientists Say ‘There’s No Climate Emergency’ - Inside Climate News

To the average consumer of news, the petition’s message might seem reasonable—a healthy dose of skepticism in a debate that affects everyone. “Computer models are human-made,” the petition begins. “This is precisely the problem of today’s climate discussion to which climate models are central...

insideclimatenews.org

Why am I not surprised you buy into this climate garbage?

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Why am I not surprised you buy into this climate garbage?

The climate story is kind of like the self-proclaimed prophet who claims repeatedly he knows when the end will occur, but has to keep pushing the dates back, because he is never right.