Finebaum- sumrall talk

[truebluewildcat]

To piggy back off of OSU staff…Brian Hartline a name that will be rising on some radars.

He has played a pretty big roll in their recruiting and offense. Specifically passing game and skill talent. All those WRs that end up going first round that all world freshman this year…Hartline.

 

[JumperJack]

He wont leave. UK cant afford his buyout.

I’m not sure UK can afford not to. It gets late early in the SEC.

Either way, the AD should be fired for such a colossal mistake.

 

[UKSouthpaw]

His dad and brother retired early, he looks absolutely miserable on the sidelines. If he stays he is making a huge mistake.

He doesn't look healthy on the sidelines any longer. He may retire before he has a serious stress related health scare.

 

[trueblujr2]

Taking Sumrall off the table for these hypotheticals. Which candidates would you be most favorable to?

If Ryan Day had lost to Penn St. his seat would have been boiling hot. He's not out of the woods yet depending on how they fare come playoff time. If for some reason OSU were to let go Ryan Day, would he be an acceptable candidate to replace Stoops? Would he be looking for a bigger gig? 63-9 overall record. I think that's the best among active coaches percentage wise right now if I'm not mistaken.

I know a lot of people have mixed feelings about James Franklin, but if Penn St. were to let him go would he be accepted here? What he did at Vandy was pretty miraculous, so he has SEC chops. could do worse i would think.

Neither would be likely to happen, but in a scenario that see either of them losing their job, would they be worth a look.

 

[Crankdatmustard]

Chip Kelly.....lol. He is 10 years past his prime.....he was horrific at UCLA. if KY needs a new coach it will be Sumrall. There are no other names to discuss. But if we somehow can't disconnect from Stoops this year, Sumrall will end up somewhere and it will be too late.

 

[Coach Marrow]

Taking Sumrall off the table for these hypotheticals. Which candidates would you be most favorable to?

If Ryan Day had lost to Penn St. his seat would have been boiling hot. He's not out of the woods yet depending on how they fare come playoff time. If for some reason OSU were to let go Ryan Day, would he be an acceptable candidate to replace Stoops? Would he be looking for a bigger gig? 63-9 overall record. I think that's the best among active coaches percentage wise right now if I'm not mistaken.

I know a lot of people have mixed feelings about James Franklin, but if Penn St. were to let him go would he be accepted here? What he did at Vandy was pretty miraculous, so he has SEC chops. could do worse i would think.

Neither would be likely to happen, but in a scenario that see either of them losing their job, would they be worth a look.

I hope James Franklin would be a “no,” but you make a valid point here.

 

[LosGatos]

Because other SEC programs ain’t like UK. They like to win. History usually repeats itself in the sense that you pretty well know by the end of the second year if it’s gonna work out at a bigger program like Auburn.

Years ago I looked at the record of SEC coaches to see if one could predict who would be successful after only two years. BigBlue1992 is correct. Coaches who don't show a two win improvement in their second year are very unlikely to survive to year 5. This is especially true for coaches who take over a losing program.

 

[Eccain01]

Stoops isn’t going to retire man lol. That’s a pipe dream. And even if that was something he was considering I doubt he’d want to end on this note.

 

[MontyCats]

Watching Sumrall build a contender at Auburn would hurt man. We need to lock that young potential and fire up. Stand on what Stoops was able to build and fly even higher.

 

[PopesReignOverCardinals]

Stoops isn’t going to retire man lol. That’s a pipe dream. And even if that was something he was considering I doubt he’d want to end on this note.

Bob Stoops did, and his program was in much better shape.

Mark's marriage ended. His kids have to be close to being adults if not already. There's not much anchoring him in Lexington. You can cite his salary, but it's not like he's not already rich. He can walk from the money without being stressed about it. Plus, he's already demonstrated that he's actively trying to get out (Texas A&M).

Stranger things have happened, and Mark's time in Lexington may be upside down.

 

[bthaunert]

Taking Sumrall off the table for these hypotheticals. Which candidates would you be most favorable to?

If Ryan Day had lost to Penn St. his seat would have been boiling hot. He's not out of the woods yet depending on how they fare come playoff time. If for some reason OSU were to let go Ryan Day, would he be an acceptable candidate to replace Stoops? Would he be looking for a bigger gig? 63-9 overall record. I think that's the best among active coaches percentage wise right now if I'm not mistaken.

I know a lot of people have mixed feelings about James Franklin, but if Penn St. were to let him go would he be accepted here? What he did at Vandy was pretty miraculous, so he has SEC chops. could do worse i would think.

Neither would be likely to happen, but in a scenario that see either of them losing their job, would they be worth a look.

If Sumrall is off the table, my first call is to Glenn Schumann

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

If Sumrall is off the table, my first call is to Glenn Schumann

I think he would be a good, maybe better hire. He is going to take a job soon, but here is the deal with Schuman. If he is successful and Bama offered he is gone, it's his dream job. Don't think Bama hires him without head coaching experience, they tried to get him as DC a couple times.

 

[Coach Marrow]

Mitch has likely never heard of Schumann and you also have to wonder if he prefers White over Sumrall 😢.

 

[Seth_C]

Whether it's retirement or whatever, I just hope his departure is an amicable one. Like him or not, he deserves a place in the ring of honor eventually for what he's done to elevate our program to where we have the kinds of expectations we do now. he does deserve to be able to come back down the road and be honored, either on his own or with his bowl teams or whatever. yes it's time for a change, but that change doesn't have to be a messy divorce.

He, much like Calipari, has the opportunity to walk away having guided the program successfully, and keep the fans’ respect for life. Or, like Calipari, he can choose to hang on and cash checks while driving the program off a clif. If he stays for a few more losing seasons the disrespect he receives will be on him.

 

[truebluewildcat]

Taking Sumrall off the table for these hypotheticals. Which candidates would you be most favorable to?

If Ryan Day had lost to Penn St. his seat would have been boiling hot. He's not out of the woods yet depending on how they fare come playoff time. If for some reason OSU were to let go Ryan Day, would he be an acceptable candidate to replace Stoops? Would he be looking for a bigger gig? 63-9 overall record. I think that's the best among active coaches percentage wise right now if I'm not mistaken.

I know a lot of people have mixed feelings about James Franklin, but if Penn St. were to let him go would he be accepted here? What he did at Vandy was pretty miraculous, so he has SEC chops. could do worse i would think.

Neither would be likely to happen, but in a scenario that see either of them losing their job, would they be worth a look.

That's an interesting scenario to watch.

However, I'm not sure about the mixed feelings. He's quite literally one of the best coaches in the game. He was on pace to do at Vandy what Stoops was supposed to do here...and in less time. Consistent 9 win seasons.

People like to crow about how UK is a tough job because boo hoo this and that...Vanderbilt is a tougher job by orders of magnitude. Franklin had them well on their way to being a real player in the conference. Kind of like what Kif has done with Ole Miss. Honestly, if he doesn't leave, CMS among other SEC coaches might not be around.

If he does get booted, that would be a seismic event and really throw the coaching carousel off the rails. One it opens up Penn St, who can name their coach. The guy they go after and ultimately get probably has a decent gig right now, and the dominos fall from there.

He immediately changes the landscape of the program, conference, recruiting territories, etc he goes to, which has all sorts of ripples.

Same goes for the Day scenario discussion. One of the best coaches in the game. An OSU opening obviously throws things for a loop and has lots of ripple effects.

If PSU, OSU, FSU, Oklahoma, Florida, Auburn, Iowa (Ferentz retires) open...or any combo of just a couple of those...hang on tight. Not sure there's a president for a situation like that.

 

[ManitouDan]

How about " Prime time " ? he may want to compete in the SEC , has rather large ego .

 

[bthaunert]

How about " Prime time " ? he may want to compete in the SEC , has rather large ego .

Can you see Mitch and Prime Time together 😂

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

That's an interesting scenario to watch.

However, I'm not sure about the mixed feelings. He's quite literally one of the best coaches in the game. He was on pace to do at Vandy what Stoops was supposed to do here...and in less time. Consistent 9 win seasons.

People like to crow about how UK is a tough job because boo hoo this and that...Vanderbilt is a tougher job by orders of magnitude. Franklin had them well on their way to being a real player in the conference. Kind of like what Kif has done with Ole Miss. Honestly, if he doesn't leave, CMS among other SEC coaches might not be around.

If he does get booted, that would be a seismic event and really throw the coaching carousel off the rails. One it opens up Penn St, who can name their coach. The guy they go after and ultimately get probably has a decent gig right now, and the dominos fall from there.

He immediately changes the landscape of the program, conference, recruiting territories, etc he goes to, which has all sorts of ripples.

Same goes for the Day scenario discussion. One of the best coaches in the game. An OSU opening obviously throws things for a loop and has lots of ripple effects.

If PSU, OSU, FSU, Oklahoma, Florida, Auburn, Iowa (Ferentz retires) open...or any combo of just a couple of those...hang on tight. Not sure there's a president for a situation like that.

Franklin was at Vand when the Rast was st its weakest. UT had Dooley or Butch, UGA had Richt who's wife was have serious health issues, Will Muschamp was wrecking UF, UK had Joker and the start of CMS career. The only decent coach in the East was SOS who beat him every year. He has had some good seasons at PSU, but only 2 decent teams there and he is like 1,-15 against them. If he were at Vandy today, or last 10 years he would be trying to get bowl eligible. But to his credit, the window was open and he took advantage. His offense can't score, got a FG and pic against OSU.

But he is feeling some heat, and PSU fans are getting restless, but I don't think he would come to SEC. Too many good coaches and programs.

 

[jrob8604]

Kentucky is going to Kentucky, and that means miss on coaches they should take a chance on. Last time stoops had a not so great season they went 5-6 and next year 10-1 which now is vacated because of violations. Barnhart is a conservative and a loyalist. there's so much going against him firing stoops, just like Cal, I just don't see it in the cards. Like others have said, stoops will leave on his own will. I don't see a better offer coming his way. Time will only tell, but my gut is telling me Stoops will be here next year.

 

[kybloo92]

Do you guys remember the UK-UL game at Commonwealth when Will Stein was Cards starting QB but got dinged early and Teddy Bridgewater replaced him

Remember that game vividly. 2011 season. Joker only won 5 total games after that here.