Be hasn't had more talented players....
The reason he has had more lottery picks is because of how he developed quite a few of those guys
FACTS for the Cal has underachieved crowd
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The reason he has had more lottery picks is because of how he developed quite a few of those guys
I'm sick if hearing fans talk about Cal's love for the NBA.
When the season starts do u really believe he gives a shi* about anything other than our players getting better?
If u do you're wrong
I’m not the happiest with Cal at this moment.
But you and everybody knows lottery picks are made on POTENTIAL
Potential! We talkin potential?
Thats old theory.
Why cant Cal grow & expand off his own method?
Because he has to dominate in recruiting the top 5 players every class.
& he hasnt accomplished that recently
Thats old theory.
Why cant Cal grow & expand off his own method?
Because he has to dominate in recruiting the top 5 players every class.
& he hasnt accomplished that recently
Said it before and I’ll say it again. If you’re in it for regular season wins, SEC tournament titles and NBA lottery picks then he’s the coach for you.
If you’re a fan like me, who’s in it for National Championships then not near good enough ESPECIALLY with all the regular season wins, SEC tournament titles and the many, many, MANY NBA players that have been on his rosters.
1-11. Not good enough
If you’re a fan like me, who’s in it for National Championships then not near good enough ESPECIALLY with all the regular season wins, SEC tournament titles and the many, many, MANY NBA players that have been on his rosters.
1-11. Not good enough
Well that clown show in 12 that beat us went to the NCAA tourney that year and did pretty well. That second game loss in 96 was to a UMASS team that went to the FF, where we beat them in the semis, a far cry from an Evansville, wouldn’t you agree?
The problem is that Cal is a victim of his own success in a way
His first 6 years....Four Final 4's....One National Championship....Two Championship appearances
His last 4 years....second round exit....two Elite 8's.....one Sweet 16....ZERO Final Fours
For some fans, it might look like he's trending in the wrong direction
His first 6 years....Four Final 4's....One National Championship....Two Championship appearances
His last 4 years....second round exit....two Elite 8's.....one Sweet 16....ZERO Final Fours
For some fans, it might look like he's trending in the wrong direction
Lottery pick doesn't equate to success in college.
Only for Cal, so your argument doesn't hold.
I am confident that last year's team is a final four team if it wasn't for injuries hindering our players.
Health is a big concern recently. It keeps killing our momentum.
One could make a case that he has underachieved, but you can make a case that he hasn’t.
The way I see it is that he has not. It’s a matter of picking your poison. If you get the super talented guys, with it comes roster turnover. With high roster turnover, you get teams that are forever young. Just because people get sick of hearing it doesn’t mean it isn’t true. We’re young. Carl’s teams at UK will likely always be young.
With that kind of youth, you may get one game that the talent of the team shines, and the next game, the lack of experience shows.
Rupp used to say that the best thing about freshmen is that they will be sophomores next year. But today, elite players don’t stick around. Every season starts at square one. It takes time to build team chemistry, teach players how to play on a high level, and how to make the peices fit.
Given the nature of the beast, Cal exceeds realistic expectations.
The way I see it is that he has not. It’s a matter of picking your poison. If you get the super talented guys, with it comes roster turnover. With high roster turnover, you get teams that are forever young. Just because people get sick of hearing it doesn’t mean it isn’t true. We’re young. Carl’s teams at UK will likely always be young.
With that kind of youth, you may get one game that the talent of the team shines, and the next game, the lack of experience shows.
Rupp used to say that the best thing about freshmen is that they will be sophomores next year. But today, elite players don’t stick around. Every season starts at square one. It takes time to build team chemistry, teach players how to play on a high level, and how to make the peices fit.
Given the nature of the beast, Cal exceeds realistic expectations.
We lost a basketball game we were favored to win. People are acting like it has never happened to UK before. But it has. What it tells us about the team is that they are still gelling, and had a letdown in focus after beating Michigan State. What it tells us about the complainers is that they are so spoiled that they can't hack it when things do not go well.
I agree. There is a downward trend in the second half of his tenure. This could definitely be from factors Cal has no control over (injuries, recruiting scandal, certain refs) but the trend is the there.
Sunshine pumper lol. Ah yes that phrase is thrown around a lot on here. If you don’t agree with the agenda of the truly ignorant on here that’s what they try to label you.
Lets learn a lesson from Bobby Knight and Tubby Smith.......... even legendary and Good coaches can fall apart , slide and in tubby's case , stop caring and loses their edge , will to win.
not saying that's happening...... but its something you have to watch out for so we dont slip as a program.
not saying that's happening...... but its something you have to watch out for so we dont slip as a program.
As long as the man is bringing in top 1,2 or 3 recruiting classes I just dont see how that conclusion can be drawn with Cal.
1. wins are not won in the battle of recruiting class rankings.
2. Proof is that Hagans, Diallo, Whitney, Lee, and Richards would be a #1 or #2 class at worst and you can not win up to standards with that class right? Ulis, Herro, Booker, PJ, and Travis would be a #5 class or lower and you can win a title with that group. Its not the class ranking that matters... its how you build the team.
3. as I said.. I'm not saying its happening...... but its something you have to be on guard because it can happen to any coach and ...recruiting isnt the gauge here... its on the court.
I definitely agree with the point you’re making but I don’t think we’ve seen any major decline in the program as a whole. Expecting Cal or any coach to make a FF every year is lunacy. All you can ask for is to have a chance at that and I believe Cal does that. In the past 4 years we’re only a rooferee and a missed 5ft shot by PJ Washington from having two more FF’s at the least.
FAAAR CAL dean smith had two titles in 36 years rat face won his first one after 20 years coaching id say he’s doing pretty good
So you’re gonna compare coaching at UNC and Duke to coaching at Umass and Memphis?
Wow that’s so stupid I don’t know where to begin. I guess it’s the equivalent of saying coaching football at UK is the same as Alabama.
I’ve never understood this either. I get cheering for UK but its usually the loudest and most obnoxious didn’t even attend UK. If you love it so much, why didn’t you go there?
That’s a garbage excuse. It’s cals job to put them in position to make the shots, get in position for rebounds , double team when they’re supposed to and avoid TO’s. Cal doesn’t get credit when they win but absolved when they lose.
Of course the fact that they are young for the most part, devoid of skills from their prep years and it was only their third game are irrelevant to a Cal hater like you. Bash away little CLODite.
It’s 99.9% guaranteed your scenario doesn’t happen. We’ve had one bad hire since the 1930’s, that resulted in one mediocre two-year period. It’s ridiculous to suggest we’ll have a major letdown after Cal leaves, or after any UK basketball coach leaves. Aside from the BCG hiccup, we’ve been pretty much flawless in coaching hires. That won’t change when Cal leaves.
It was his qualifier, not mine. K didn’t start at Duke. Coaching 20 years now has to be only coaching at top D1 schools? Weak argument. Cal took UMASS and Memphis to the FF, did he not? Or should he not be credited with that since it wasn’t KY or Duke or UNC?
Actually, he’s probably right. We may well get a fabulous coach and go on the rocks for 2 - 3 years as the program transitions back to a more UVA type roster. This crap with paying players is gonna have unpredictable effects as well.
Cal has spent the majority of his coaching career not at UK while Coach K and Dean Smith spent almost their entire coaching careers at two bb powerhouses. That’s a weak argument in your mind only.
So you’re predicting something that’s never happened before? LOL ... ok. And if the pay-for-play thing changes the college basketball landscape, that in no way has anything to with what we were talking about. Cal is the greatest recruiter ever, but he isn’t the greatest coach ever. I hope he’s here another ten years, but when he leaves he’ll be followed at UK by another big time coach. I’m not the least bit concerned.
